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Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

Is it unreasonable to pay a little more?

  • Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!

    Votes: 21 27.6%

  • No. There's comes a point in wealthiness where it just doesn't even matter anymore.

    Votes: 48 63.2%

  • I'm not sure.

    Votes: 7 9.2%
  • Total voters
    76
OscarB63 said:
you said you paid 30% gross in taxes and mentioned those specific taxes. you then wished the wealthy would pay the same amount of their gross. this implies that the wealthy do not pay those specific taxes.

even in your "rebuttal' you bring up forced costs that you and grandma pay...again implying that the wealthy do not also pay those costs. :lamo

how about giving some examples of taxes you pay that the wealthy do not also pay instead?
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I pay 30% of my gross income to taxes (maybe more). I suggest the wealthy should pay 30% of their gross income to taxes. I just want them to pay the same percentage as me, nothing more. That would be an equally shared burden and routinely patriotic.
 
It seems the wealthy make more than any other time historically but not everyone else. And the government spends more than any other time historically. And though the gov spends a lot of it on the people that alone should tell you something about where all the monies going? Big companies make too much, gov spends too much and everyone else gets crapped on.
 
DaveFagan said:
I pay 30% of my gross income to taxes (maybe more). I suggest the wealthy should pay 30% of their gross income to taxes. I just want them to pay the same percentage as me, nothing more. That would be an equally shared burden and routinely patriotic.
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I call BS on this. Produce the forms that show what you pay. For unless you are rich, or REALLY bad at doing your taxes, there is no way you pay 30% of your gross to taxes. IRS data alone shows that as far as payroll taxes go, the effective rate paid by people goes up as income goes up, and those in the middle class are paying about 7% give or take, once all deduction and such are in. Which would mean you are pay another 23% of your gross on other taxes. Again, pure BS without anything to back it up.
 
Catawba said:
The best way to reduce the deficit is with a strong economy. The economy grows best when we have a strong middle class. If the GOP had stuck with their refusal to extend the middle class tax cuts to protect the tax cuts for the wealthy, we risked another recession.
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And were not risking one now? Big corporations and the very rich love recessions. It makes them stronger. The real big ones gobble up all the smaller ones. Leaving us with the very rich and very poor and no middle class.
 
Catawba said:
That's what it took to save the middle class tax cuts from the GOP hostage taking.
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You mean Obama hostage taking. It cuts both ways.
 
Boo Radley said:
Can't make a dent with cuts alone either. Especially the type cuts often mentioned. You must raise taxes and cut from the big three or you're really not serious about tackling the deficit.
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No you just have to make real cuts. No one has suggested any. They only speak of slowing the growth not reducing anything. Only in DC can they call reducing a proposed increase from 20 billion to 10 billion a 10 billion dollar cut in spending.
 
DaveFagan said:
I pay 30% of my gross income to taxes (maybe more). I suggest the wealthy should pay 30% of their gross income to taxes. I just want them to pay the same percentage as me, nothing more. That would be an equally shared burden and routinely patriotic.
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since you cannot or will not provide examples of taxes you pay that the wealthy do not also pay, how about you provide some proof that the wealthy do not pay the same % of their gross in taxes as you?

personally, I could care **** all whether they pay the exact same % as me, since they pay much much more in actual dollars than i do. my kid brother is one of those wealthy bastards you bitch about (spent 17 years in school and training to become a pediatric heart surgeon) and he paid more income tax last year than i grossed.
 
DaveFagan said:
You need to get someone to read to you, because I said no such thing. Perhaps it's just an extreme case of dyslexia. I'm certain it can't be stupidity, but one must be careful not to give such impressions. I just think those wealthy crybabies need to relate to taxes on a proportional basis. The poor are burdened excessively by the current tax system, not the rich. If you want to continue, we can go into forced costs like auto inspections, crap rolling downhill, like auto emission systems, State supported casinos, and other Corporate mandated costs passed along to end users like me and Grandmaw and the dog.
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How when they pay no taxes and only get money from the government?
 
DaveFagan said:
I pay 30% of my gross income to taxes (maybe more). I suggest the wealthy should pay 30% of their gross income to taxes. I just want them to pay the same percentage as me, nothing more. That would be an equally shared burden and routinely patriotic.
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I venture they pay close to 50% when all taxes are added up.
 
Gawain said:
No you just have to make real cuts. No one has suggested any. They only speak of slowing the growth not reducing anything. Only in DC can they call reducing a proposed increase from 20 billion to 10 billion a 10 billion dollar cut in spending.
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Follow what s being said. Anyone serious seeks to do both.
 
Arbo said:
I call BS on this. Produce the forms that show what you pay. For unless you are rich, or REALLY bad at doing your taxes, there is no way you pay 30% of your gross to taxes. IRS data alone shows that as far as payroll taxes go, the effective rate paid by people goes up as income goes up, and those in the middle class are paying about 7% give or take, once all deduction and such are in. Which would mean you are pay another 23% of your gross on other taxes. Again, pure BS without anything to back it up.
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he is combining all the various taxes he pays... sales tax, gasoline tax, etc. which is 1. dishonest and 2. ignores the fact that the wealthy pay those exact same taxes
 
I answered that raising taxes on anyone is unreasonable. I am not rich and I am not greedy. Raising taxes will not balance the budget. The problem is not lack of revenue, it is a lack of control of spending.
 
Boo Radley said:
Follow what s being said. Anyone serious seeks to do both.
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No they dont. We spend to much. Thats the only problem. If anything we need to cut revenue to this bloated monster. Make them live within their means like the rest of us. Not use our money to bribe others to vote for their nonsense.
 
Arbo said:
I call BS on this. Produce the forms that show what you pay. For unless you are rich, or REALLY bad at doing your taxes, there is no way you pay 30% of your gross to taxes. IRS data alone shows that as far as payroll taxes go, the effective rate paid by people goes up as income goes up, and those in the middle class are paying about 7% give or take, once all deduction and such are in. Which would mean you are pay another 23% of your gross on other taxes. Again, pure BS without anything to back it up.
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I produced. Identified the basic taxes. More of my electric bill is for items other than electricity than it is for electricity. Natural Gas has similar problems, not quite as extreme. Taxes on gasoline are a significant portion of the cost. If you live in a cave, forgive me for thinking you may be out of touch with the real world. I will try to restrain Grandmaw from crapping in your oatmeal. we haven't even brought in sales tax on autos. Registration on autos. Inspections on autos. Maintenance on faux emission controls. Tax on motor oil.
 
Gawain said:
No they dont. We spend to much. Thats the only problem. If anything we need to cut revenue to this bloated monster. Make them live within their means like the rest of us. Not use our money to bribe others to vote for their nonsense.
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No, that's the bs you have bought into. We have debt as a country, and to reduced the debt, both need to be done.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
I answered that raising taxes on anyone is unreasonable. I am not rich and I am not greedy. Raising taxes will not balance the budget. The problem is not lack of revenue, it is a lack of control of spending.
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It's both.
 
Gawain said:
Keep believing that nonsense.
Its like a cocaine habit.
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It's what all of us who found ourselves in debt would do. No, you're the one pretending here.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's what all of us who found ourselves in debt would do. No, you're the one pretending here.
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But that not what the government wants to do. They want more money to spend not get out of debt. And the rest of us cant just print money like the government can. If your spending more than you CAN make you have to cut spending not go rob someone else.
 
No, it's not unreasonable, but I think we should think carefully on how we define "wealthy." I am firmly against Obama's definition of $250,000 and up being "wealthiest Americans," and I believe our tax brackets are biased against people in that income range - small business, upper middle class Americans. Someone earning $300,000 a year should not be taxed at the same rate as Wal-Mart's CEO. Our tax bracket needs to be more progressive so that people who truly can afford to pay those extra taxes (folks earning over, say, $500,000 per annum) are given a tax increase, while smaller businesses are left untouched; a 2% increase is much harder on a local shop owner than it is on the executive for a transnational corporation.
 
Vapor said:
No, it's not unreasonable, but I think we should think carefully on how we define "wealthy." I am firmly against Obama's definition of $250,000 and up being "wealthiest Americans," and I believe our tax brackets are biased against people in that income range - small business, upper middle class Americans. Someone earning $300,000 a year should not be taxed at the same rate as Wal-Mart's CEO. Our tax bracket needs to be more progressive so that people who truly can afford to pay those extra taxes (folks earning over, say, $500,000 per annum) are given a tax increase, while smaller businesses are left untouched; a 2% increase is much harder on a local shop owner than it is on the executive for a transnational corporation.
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Is that you Obama? Can you tell me what percentage of ones income is enough for you?
 
in order to get out of the hole we are in you do need to do both, increase revenue and decrease spending. the problem is that the decrease in spending never comes. the govt always finds some excuse to keep putting them off so they can fund some new pet project spending. and this is why i am against tax increases. it's like throwing money at a crackhead because he promises he will stop smoking crack next week
 
Gawain said:
But that not what the government wants to do. They want more money to spend not get out of debt. And the rest of us cant just print money like the government can. If your spending more than you CAN make you have to cut spending not go rob someone else.
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Whether that is what they are want or not is irrelevant to the point. Instead of playing their game, we should demand what is actually needed.
 
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