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Katt Williams says Quentin Tarantino has no business using the N-word

Does Tarantino have business?

  • Tarantino has business using the n-word

    Votes: 20 95.2%
  • Tarantino has no business using the n-word

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Total voters
    21
what he said makes perfect sense... saying the n-word isn't an issue of legality. It's not. It's about whether you give a damn or not about how other people feel
Yeah, I don't really know where he got anything out of my post that had something to do with freedom of speech. I'm talking about human relationships not the Constitution.
 
Do you know what racism is? Hint: It isn't not wanting white people to not use a word. :roll:

I know well what racism is as well as what it is not. Barring black athletes from competiton was racism, and having black athletes outnumber white athletes now (in some sports) is not evidence of racism (nor is the same outcome in some other professions or academics dominated by whites/asians). The use of different standards (affirmative action) based on race is racism, as it assumes a difference that must be overcome by handicapping. We all readily (I hope) accept that some people or sports teams are better than other people or sports teams, yet we do not advocate employing handicapping in the rules, scoring or any other aspect of the competition, to assure that they have equal chances of winning (save for the draft system, at the pro sports team level, I suppose).
 
I know well what racism is as well as what it is not. Barring black athletes from competiton was racism, and having black athletes outnumber white athletes now (in some sports) is not evidence of racism (nor is the same outcome in some other professions or academics dominated by whites/asians). The use of different standards (affirmative action) based on race is racism, as it assumes a difference that must be overcome by handicapping. We all readily (I hope) accept that some people or sports teams are better than other people or sports teams, yet we do not advocate employing handicapping in the rules, scoring or any other aspect of the competition, to assure that they have equal chances of winning (save for the draft system, at the pro sports team level, I suppose).
What does any of this have to with the fact that Katt Williams not wanting Tarantino to use "the n word" still isn't racism like you originally claimed?
 
what he said makes perfect sense... saying the n-word isn't an issue of legality. It's not. It's about whether you give a damn or not about how other people feel

If the "social penalty" was equal for the use of "whitey" or "cracker" by non-whites then I might agree, but clearly it is not. The seven words that you can't say on television are not different based on race, nor do many advocate that they should not be. If the use of a word is to be restricted/allowed based on race than that is racism, pure and simple. I agree that the context is important and any intent to cause harm must be considered moronic, but word use as a representaton (explanation?) of history or traditions is not an improper context. Pretending that things were once different (even while pointing out that they were wrong) does not change them, in fact it may help perpetuate them.
 
If the "social penalty" was equal for the use of "whitey" or "cracker" by non-whites then I might agree, but clearly it is not. The seven words that you can't say on television are not different based on race, nor do many advocate that they should not be. If the use of a word is to be restricted/allowed based on race than that is racism, pure and simple. I agree that the context is important and any intent to cause harm must be considered moronic, but word use as a representaton (explanation?) of history or traditions is not an improper context. Pretending that things were once different (even while pointing out that they were wrong) does not change them, in fact it may help perpetuate them.
You're not being rational about this.

1. There are definitely white people who feel more uncomfortable with blacks using "whitey" and "cracker" than they do white people. However, the reason such words do not have as much of a stigma attached to them is because the words do not have the same significant history and white people do not have as a history of being marginalized as blacks do. You might not like the reality that history affects how people perceive words, but it does and that history, not racism, is why people are more sensitive to "nigger" than "cracker."

2. Racism is the treatment of races as inherently inferior or superior to one another. Being uncomfortable when one race uses a word that it has historically used in a negative manner is not racism. Only a fool would argue that it is.
 
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Jamie Fox endorsed the use of the n-word in the new movie as it brings the rawness and violence of the period to the forefront of discussion.

One black guy trumps another black guy. Just the way it works.
 
Within families, family members are often allowed* to say things that those outside the family are not. Within groups of friends, friends are allowed to say things that those outside the group are not. Within states, residents are allowed to say things that those outside the state are not. Within nations, citizens are allowed to say things that outside of the nation are not. Within racial groups, those within the group are allowed to say things that those outside of the group are not. That's just the way humanity works. We accept certain things from those within a group that we do not accept as easily from those outside of it usually because we aren't familiar with the character and intent of those outside our groups.

The reason many black people don't like it when non-blacks (particularly whites) use the word is the same reason many Americans don't like it when non-Americans make fun of the United States or when friends don't like it when people outside of their group make fun of one of them and so on. It's pretty simple and easy to understand.

*allowed in this context means "able to use without disapproval"

And I would hope the Cinema had the same "able to use without disapproval" option.
 
I'm a fan of Tarantino, and particulary enjoyed Pulp Fiction, which has the n-word about twenty times throughout, and deals with race.

I have yet to see Django Unchained, but I plan on seeing it when it's released.

Katt Williams says Tarantino has no business using the N-word.

Any opinions?

Katt Williams On Quentin Tarantino: “I Checked With All Of N*ggadom, You Don’t Get A Pass”

That fact that it is suggested that black people as a whole ("N*ggadom") have the authority to issue "passes" to white people who wish to use the N word for one reason or another- while feeling that they inherently have the right to use the word as they see fit, without having been issued a "pass"- is more offensive than Tarantino's use of the word.
 
Is Carlos Mencia black? He says it all the time. Slight hypocrisy to not go after him.
 
How can you make a film that deals with the slave era without using that word?

In any case, it's not illegal to use the word. It's controversial because for the most part those who use it who are not black (for whom it appears to be somewhat less controversial) reveal themselves to be racists. Now if you are upset because there is some onus against racism, well, suck it.

Words have the power to hurt. When used carelessly, this is certainly one of those words. It makes sense that people should think twice before crossing the Ni*clang* horizon. I have (rarely) used it in quotes, when I felt it was necessary and appropriate to prove a point and no one has accused me of being a racist for it. That is how Tarantino has used it in this film. It's not gratuitous. It's totally tuitous.
 
He has every business using that word. Its a movie about slaves set back in that time period where the N word was used very often...
 
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