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How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

How many here belong to a union?

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Rocketman said:
no, but they never took a bunch of sledge hammers to one of my cars again. That strike lasted for 1.5 years and I crossed many more times.
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Nice!! Anecdotal evidence. ;)
 
Rocketman said:
Bull****, my Dad worked for in a union for years at an appliance factory, he came home bloody, never made the news even once. I can't believe there is anyone so naive as to think every union action makes the news.:lamo
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Let's see some links. Sorry, but if you have no evidence, then you really have nothing at all.
 
EarlzP said:
Now I think we getting to see the real you, you don't just dislike union workers you have a real problem with liberals in general , do you understand that mot all union workers are liberals? There might actually be one or two libertarians and maybe even some conservatives that are union members
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Conservatives are lying to themselves if they belong to a union.
 
ChrisL said:
Let's see some links. Sorry, but if you have no evidence, then you really have nothing at all.
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I already gave you plenty, you denied it exist, why waste anymore time on your asinine comments
 
TurtleDude said:
like carnagie and ford who set up endowments that we still benefit from?
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Okay, there's two nice generous men. Do you think ALL business owners care about people? Well, I can tell you that they don't. I have my OWN anecdotal evidence, since that seems to be good enough.
 
Rocketman said:
I already gave you plenty, you denied it exist, why waste anymore time on your asinine comments
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No, you gave me a link with a bunch of outdated crapola and with an incident that happened in Ohio, which again is NOT in the north east, so cough up those links! There should be PLENTY if the violence is as widespread and out of control as you claim.
 
Tell me what exactly it is that you people have against unions. Is it that the employees make "too much money"? I could understand the outrage with some of the public-sector unions, but you guys are ridiculous in your lumping ALL unions together. The union that I mentioned does plenty good for its employees. What do you have against that?
 
ChrisL said:
Okay, there's two nice generous men. Do you think ALL business owners care about people? Well, I can tell you that they don't. I have my OWN anecdotal evidence, since that seems to be good enough.
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no not at all. some do some don't. big corporate bosses are probably the same as union bosses-just smarter and better educated. in terms of morality they run the gamut from really good to gaping assholes.
 
and carnegie was some of both

he left a huge amount to charity

but he also encouraged Unionization in the steel business. sounds good right? well what it did was drive up wages that some of his competition could not pay and they went out of business-he then bought their companies and CRUSHED the unions
 
TurtleDude said:
the industrial revolution in the USA-Eli Whitney etc was pre-Union

Unions did not build our shipping industry

nor the transcontinental railroad

and yes we are even though the left is doing its best to ruin our position
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Two reasons number one workers were from all over and didnt have any notions about what or what shouldnt be at that point and two and heres the big one...there wasnt a NEED for unions yet....remember something Unions were created by the mistreatment and abuse of employees by employers...they have no one to blame but themselves...their whining makes me snicker.
 
lpast said:
Two reasons number one workers were from all over and didnt have any notions about what or what shouldnt be at that point and two and heres the big one...there wasnt a NEED for unions yet....remember something Unions were created by the mistreatment and abuse of employees by employers...they have no one to blame but themselves...their whining makes me snicker.
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that might be true but unions were not what made the USA great. that happened before Unions really mattered
 
ChrisL said:
Tell me what exactly it is that you people have against unions. Is it that the employees make "too much money"? I could understand the outrage with some of the public-sector unions, but you guys are ridiculous in your lumping ALL unions together. The union that I mentioned does plenty good for its employees. What do you have against that?
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They drive up cost for everyone supporting the lazy ****ers that couldn't even keep a job without the union. They get protection every time they want to go fishing to just stay home. Unions have created a lazier society
 
TurtleDude said:
no not at all. some do some don't. big corporate bosses are probably the same as union bosses-just smarter and better educated. in terms of morality they run the gamut from really good to gaping assholes.
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And the "little guy" needs protection from those corporate bosses who ONLY care about their bottom line, especially in certain industries, and the construction industry is FULL of schemers and wheelers and dealers. That's what they do.

Employers wouldn't DARE treat their workers poorly when they know the employees have people looking out for THEM plus free legal representation.
 
Rocketman said:
They drive up cost for everyone supporting the lazy ****ers that couldn't even keep a job without the union. They get protection every time they want to go fishing to just stay home. Unions have created a lazier society
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That's bull. If you don't show up to work, you get fired, just like any other job. That is how it is for LIUNA anyway. No employer is under any obligation to keep an employee who refuses to do work.
 
TurtleDude said:
that might be true but unions were not what made the USA great. that happened before Unions really mattered
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PEOPLE made our country great. Union members are also people.
 
ChrisL said:
And the "little guy" needs protection from those corporate bosses who ONLY care about their bottom line, especially in certain industries, and the construction industry is FULL of schemers and wheelers and dealers. That's what they do.

Employers wouldn't DARE treat their workers poorly when they know the employees have people looking out for THEM plus free legal representation.
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I don' t have a problem with private sector unions as long as the unions teach a trade and stand behind the quality of the work. those unions have benefits to those who employ them

I think public sector unions should be banned because public sector workers have all sorts of advantages and protections and in many cases they bargain "against" those whom they elected
 
TurtleDude said:
I don' t have a problem with private sector unions as long as the unions teach a trade and stand behind the quality of the work. those unions have benefits to those who employ them

I think public sector unions should be banned because public sector workers have all sorts of advantages and protections and in many cases they bargain "against" those whom they elected
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I can agree with that. SOME unions have gotten awfully heavy-handed. The teacher's union comes to mind immediately.
 
ChrisL said:
I can agree with that. SOME unions have gotten awfully heavy-handed. The teacher's union comes to mind immediately.
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very true and those people bargaining for the "taxpayers" are often sucking up to the unions for votes or work for people who are beholden to the unions. Chris-empty some of your sent box or in box-!!
 
I once was a union member and I'm damned glad that I was. I moved on and up and union membership was no longer available.

As with many issues we see here, there is no ALL GOOD or ALL BAD concerning unions. Anyone who believes there is only one position is inexperienced and foolish or both. I was a union member and I benefited. I've been on management side for many years. In honesty, unions do provide a very important function in advocating the fair treatment of workers. The crap I've seen and heard by people who have the power would astound some people. My experience is not uncommon. It just isn't discussed openly for obvious reasons. Conversely, are unions always correct and just? Not in my experience. To suggest that either side has clean skirts is naive.
 
TurtleDude said:
very true and those people bargaining for the "taxpayers" are often sucking up to the unions for votes or work for people who are beholden to the unions. Chris-empty some of your sent box or in box-!!
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Okay, will do.
 
TurtleDude said:
very true and those people bargaining for the "taxpayers" are often sucking up to the unions for votes or work for people who are beholden to the unions. Chris-empty some of your sent box or in box-!!
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Done. :)
 
ChrisL said:
I'm surprised you agreed. I thought for sure you would say "no they're not people, they're thugs" :lamo
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members often have no choice. and I had a really good working relationship with the head of a union/ You see some of his members would sue management and the union in what is called a 301 mixed case

so I would call up the local's president and say tell me what's going on

and he always was straight with me. sometimes he'd say-counselor, your manager is an asshole but we didn't have a valid grievance

other times he'd say the member is an asshole and we told him not to grieve and he did so we had to take it

and in the last big case (which I and the union attorney got thrown out and then I argued the appeal and won again) the president said both the boss and the member were assholes

I usually have had good relationships with the Union management because I am straight with them and I am in a position to usually make the decisions as to settlements over management and when the union is right I give them a fair settlement for their member
 
TurtleDude said:
members often have no choice. and I had a really good working relationship with the head of a union/ You see some of his members would sue management and the union in what is called a 301 mixed case

so I would call up the local's president and say tell me what's going on

and he always was straight with me. sometimes he'd say-counselor, your manager is an asshole but we didn't have a valid grievance

other times he'd say the member is an asshole and we told him not to grieve and he did so we had to take it

and in the last big case (which I and the union attorney got thrown out and then I argued the appeal and won again) the president said both the boss and the member were assholes

I usually have had good relationships with the Union management because I am straight with them and I am in a position to usually make the decisions as to settlements over management and when the union is right I give them a fair settlement for their member
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Well, I'm not familiar with all the legal speak, but I will just say that there are a-holes everywhere. We are surrounded by them. That is not exclusive to union members or management.
 
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