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If a firm hiring permanent replacements obtains less favorable cb contracts than those who don't, isn't it worse off?
If a firm hiring permanent replacements obtains less favorable cb contracts than those who don't, isn't it worse off?
How does it benefit a firm to obtain less favorable bargaining contracts?
Of course it normally is a requirement of unions regarding contracts.Sorry dude, but your advocating for legal rent seeking.
Mandating union membership, as a condition of employment is BS.
Often it's the union, who imposes this on the employer, as part of the contract.
You're just dancing around the issue.
Union membership should not, be associated with X company, but should be a general membership outside the business proper.
That would make it correctly voluntary, rather than compulsory.
Of course it normally is a requirement of unions regarding contracts.
And totally useless as a union, unable to perform any of the general duties that unions typically are expected to perform. If I was not working at Ford, and instead working at Honda being part of a union would serve absolutely no purspose. It would not help negotiate a contract, handle work greviences, be able to organize a strike if it was desired
Which is crap.
Free riders don't have to exist, provided that only union members benefit from negotiations.
But in those negotiations, I'm sure that poison pills are thrown in like, all employees must be paid X dollars and have X benefits.
So they tend to create the arguments against voluntary association.
What the unions have created is the situation before unions, with strike breakers and such.
They have unfair legal protections and utilize violence and sabotage, in order to get what they want.
If you want to have unions, association via a specific employer, must be voluntary.
Otherwise the union is just a parasitic middle man.
Which is crap.
Free riders don't have to exist, provided that only union members benefit from negotiations.
But in those negotiations, I'm sure that poison pills are thrown in like, all employees must be paid X dollars and have X benefits.
So they tend to create the arguments against voluntary association.
What the unions have created is the situation before unions, with strike breakers and such.
They have unfair legal protections and utilize violence and sabotage, in order to get what they want.
If you want to have unions, association via a specific employer, must be voluntary.
Otherwise the union is just a parasitic middle man.
It certainly can be, especially if new workers refuse to cross the picket line. Unions are also known to terrorize non-union scab workers. Businesses ought to be able to say, "our contract with your union is over, we're not renewing it, either come to work as a non-union worker or go find another job".
Why don't businesses just hire all new workers? Could it be that maybe the untrained, untried new hires just would not be able to do the work? so show me with a reliable non biased source where the union workers are terrorizing the new untrained , unskilled workers
SEASIDE HEIGHTS, NEW JERSEY (WAFF) -
The hurricane-ravaged east coast has been receiving north Alabama help, but crews from Huntsville Utilities learned they’ll be doing work in Long Island, New York instead of in New Jersey.
Crews from Huntsville, as well as Decatur Utilities and Joe Wheeler out of Trinity headed up there this week, but Derrick Moore, one of the Decatur workers, said they were told by crews in New Jersey that they can’t do any work there since they’re not union employees.
The crews that are in Roanoke, Virginia say they are just watching and waiting even though they originally received a call asking for help from Seaside Heights, New Jersey.
The crews were told to stand down. In fact, Moore said the crew from Trinity is already headed back home.
Understandably, Moore said they’re frustrated being told “thanks, but no thanks.”
At least Huntsville has now found someone who wants their help.
An electrician is an electrician no matter where they work. Being in a union doesn't make them a better electrician. And speaking of electricians, you can find cases just recently where non-union utility workers were turned away from doing work to help Hurricane Sandy victims because they weren't in the union.
High voltage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Power lines
High voltage power lines
Electrical transmission and distribution lines for electric power always use voltages significantly higher than 50 volts, so contact with or close approach to the line conductors presents a danger of electrocution. Contact with overhead wires is a frequent cause of injury or death. Metal ladders, farm equipment, boat masts, construction machinery, aerial antennas, and similar objects are frequently involved in fatal contact with overhead wires. Digging into a buried cable can also be dangerous to workers at an excavation site. Digging equipment (either hand tools or machine driven) that contacts a buried cable may energize piping or the ground in the area, resulting in electrocution of nearby workers. A fault in a high-voltage transmission line or substation may result in high currents flowing along the surface of the earth, producing an earth potential rise that also presents a danger of electric shock.
Unauthorized persons climbing on power pylons or electrical apparatus are also frequently the victims of electrocution.[6] At very high transmission voltages even a close approach can be hazardous, since the high voltage may spark across a significant air gap.
For high-voltage and extra-high-voltage transmission lines, specially trained personnel use so-called "live line" techniques to allow hands-on contact with energized equipment. In this case the worker is electrically connected to the high-voltage line but thoroughly insulated from the earth so that he is at the same electrical potential as that of the line. Since training for such operations is lengthy, and still presents a danger to personnel, only very important transmission lines are subject to maintenance while live. Outside these properly engineered situations, insulation from earth does not guarantee that no current flows to earth—as grounding or arcing to ground can occur in unexpected ways, and high-frequency currents can burn even an ungrounded person. Touching a transmitting antenna is dangerous for this reason, and a high-frequency Tesla Coil can sustain a spark with only one endpoint).
Protective equipment on high-voltage transmission lines normally prevents formation of an unwanted arc, or ensures that it is quenched within tens of milliseconds. Electrical apparatus that interrupts high-voltage circuits is designed to safely direct the resulting arc so that it dissipates without damage. High voltage circuit breakers often use a blast of high pressure air, a special dielectric gas (such as SF6 under pressure), or immersion in mineral oil to quench the arc when the high voltage circuit is broken.
Your wrong an electrician is not an electrician no matter where they work. Would you expect a house electrician to work high voltage, would you want a house electrician working next to you in a bucket truck?
Crews from Huntsville, as well as Decatur Utilities and Joe Wheeler out of Trinity headed up there this week, but Derrick Moore, one of the Decatur workers, said they were told by crews in New Jersey that they can’t do any work there since they’re not union employees.
Interesting. Do you have any evidence that the electricians who were turned away were turned away because they lacked the necessary skill sets rather than the fact that they weren't union?
Specifically this:
Do you have an explanation for that?
Do you think those labor and safety laws that you now enjoy would exist without the labor movement?
Irrelevant. The unions have outlived their purpose, and have been made obsolete by the laws they pushed for in the 30's and 50's.
In the northeast there is very little difference between the unions and the mafia, they are the same
What a bunch of bull! :roll: HOW is the union like the mafia, and to which union (s) are you are referring?
Threats of violence, actual acts of violence. intimidation. the two are very similar
What a bunch of bull! :roll: HOW is the union like the mafia, and to which union (s) are you are referring?
Oh really? Do you have proof of your allegations or are you just talking out of your butt hole?
And the NE is full of all kinds of unions. To which are you referring?
I have heard too many stories from too many people from too many places to believe that the Unions proper are unaware of what their members do to harass and intimidate non-union workers and scabs. Whether or not it is an official tactic or even approved by the unions proper, they are judged by the people they represent. The more invested people become in companies via their retirement portfolios, the harder time unions are going to have. That is just the reality of the evolving market.
The violent ones.
Oh really? Do you have proof of your allegations or are you just talking out of your butt hole?
And the NE is full of all kinds of unions. To which are you referring?