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What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

  • Because I’m gay/lesbian

    Votes: 3 2.2%

  • Because it’s an equal rights issue

    Votes: 78 57.4%

  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    Votes: 6 4.4%

  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Because I don’t want to be labeled a bigot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I’m opposed to gay marriage

    Votes: 13 9.6%

  • I don’t care, either way

    Votes: 16 11.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 19 14.0%
  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed .
Dragonfly said:
A much more direct analogy would be inter-racial marriage.

Are you against that?
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Yes, as a matter of fact, I am, since interracial marriage is more likely to divorce than same-race couples and interracial couples do not generally get premarital counseling to prevent that.

If half of all legal gun owners shot someone, accidentally or not, wouldn't you want some sort of training in place for everyone who wanted to buy a gun? Don't you think people should have some kind of training before driving? Same thing here with regard to pre-marital counseling.

And yeah, before anyone goes there, you should have to complete some kind of basic parenting class in order to have children, too.
 
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Dooble said:
No, it isn't equal rights. We already discussed this the other day. At least I discussed it. You just kept bumbling through like a blunt instrument. Do you not understand how equal rights work? You have to actually have them before you can exercise them. ;)
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yes it is no matter how much you deny it, i have discussed it many times here before you were even a member.
no you do not have to have them before you can exercise them, women and minorities didnt have them before they were given thtme and that was equal rights, sorry you are simply wrong, just like you were the other day :shrug:
 
Objective-J said:
yes it is equal rights, as explained to you before you simply dont understand what equal rights are. Would you like to go over them again? I gladly will.
Siblings and polygamy would be NEW rights, not equal rights.

and for the record id support polygamy 100% as long as its consenting sound mind adults.
incest i PERSONALLY would "support" but i would STOP them if they wanted to fight for NEW rights like that, the only concern i would have is the bearing of children (how safe or unsafe is it)
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quibble...granting the right to marry for gays is also a "new" right. funny how when it's gays wanting to get married it's "equal" rights, but when it is anyone else wanting that same right it suddenly is a "new" right.

hypocrisy....what a concept
 
OscarB63 said:
1.)quibble...granting the right to marry for gays is also a "new" right. 2.)funny how when it's gays wanting to get married it's "equal" rights, but when it is anyone else wanting that same right it suddenly is a "new" right.

hypocrisy....what a concept
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1.) no its not as already explained to you in the past by muitple people :shrug: you can continue to deny it but that doesnt change anything
2.) this is your opinion and perception but in general its wrong because one is equal rights and one isnt and MANY people have no issues with polygamy they are simply educated enough on the matter to understand that its a NEW right not equal rights.

When you are ready to be honest let me know ill gladly go over it again for you
 
Dooble said:
If she didn't have her ovaries removed, she would've been able to have a child. I'm guessing she would've wanted to have a child if she hadn't lost her ovaries.
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And your point is....?
You stated in a previous post that the primary reason for marriage was for making babies.
Doesn't matter the reason why we can't have children,the fact is I married her because I loved her.
I'm saying my reason is every bit as legitimate as yours.
It has nothing to do with society.
Nothing to do with religion.
And nothing to do with you.

If you don't believe in gay marriage,don't marry a gay person.
If your religion believes homosexuality is a sin then that's your religions problem,nobody elses.
Your religion does not own God.
Your religion does not own Love.
Your religion does not own Marriage.

You can't prove your God any better than I can prove mine.
If your Idealization of God thinks homosexuality is a sin,that's his problem.
Mine doesn't.
I and my gay daughter aren't answerable to your beliefs of the Supreme,
We are answerable to ours.
 
Jerry said:
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am, since interracial marriage is more likely to divorce than same-race couples and interracial couples do not generally get premarital counseling to prevent that.

If half of all legal gun owners shot someone, accidentally or not, wouldn't you want some sort of training in place for everyone who wanted to buy a gun? Don't you think people should have some kind of training before driving? Same thing here with regard to pre-marital counseling.

And yeah, before anyone goes there, you should have to complete some kind of basic parenting class in order to have children, too.
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WOW!! Inter-racially married for 31-years. No pre-marital counseling or anything. Two very successful children who have provided us five wonderful grandkids. Of course I am sure we are the exception . . . but screw that . . . we never should have even had the choice.
 
OscarB63 said:
until some gay or lesbian couple sues a church for refusing to perform their ceremony.
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They'd lose the suit. So what's the problem?
 
Jerry said:
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am, since interracial marriage is more likely to divorce than same-race couples and interracial couples do not generally get premarital counseling to prevent that.

If half of all legal gun owners shot someone, accidentally or not, wouldn't you want some sort of training in place for everyone who wanted to buy a gun? Don't you think people should have some kind of training before driving? Same thing here with regard to pre-marital counseling.

And yeah, before anyone goes there, you should have to complete some kind of basic parenting class in order to have children, too.
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I am not against any consenting adults getting married as long as it's truly for love.

I don't care what color their skin is, what body parts are present between their legs, or whether or not they can have children.

To suggest a true love between consenting adults is "illegitimate" or "wrong" is not my place.
I'm more than happy to let each individual make their own choices.

Isn't that freedom? Is that the American way?

As long as what you do doesn't harm others, why should I care?
 
Dooble said:
No, it isn't equal rights. We already discussed this the other day. At least I discussed it. You just kept bumbling through like a blunt instrument. Do you not understand how equal rights work? You have to actually have them before you can exercise them. ;)
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Before you said it "hasn't been proven" that gay people can love eachother the same. We'll skip past how ridiculous that is.

Since when does someone else's marriage have to prove their love to you? When do I get to vote my disapproval of your marriage?

Dooble said:
No, because no matter how you slice it, there's no way a same-sex couple can have a child together. Intent is irrelevant in their case.
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There's no way for an infertile couple to have a child together either.

I agree that homosexual marriage is an abomination in the sight of God.

Since my faith in God had to prove anything to you.
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It never did. Nobody ever asked about your faith. Nobody ever cared about you proving your faith. So why is somebody else's marriage relevant to your faith in God? I don't get veto power over your marriage, and you don't get veto power over mine. Your faith does not get veto power over my marriage, and my faith does not get veto power over yours.

So why do you think you get veto power over same-sex marriage?
 
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Dragonfly said:
I am not against any consenting adults getting married as long as it's truly for love.

I don't care what color their skin is, what body parts are present between their legs, or whether or not they can have children.

To suggest a true love between consenting adults is "illegitimate" or "wrong" is not my place.
I'm more than happy to let each individual make their own choices.

Isn't that freedom? Is that the American way?

As long as what you do doesn't harm others, why should I care?
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Their divorce harms you.

That's the problem.
 
Dragonfly said:
Wrong.

I'm firmly in the camp of two divorced happy people are much better for society than two unhappy married people.
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Implying those are the only 2 options available....
 
I don't really care about the morality of it. Perhaps it is an expression of equal rights that all decent societies must legitimately recognize. Perhaps it is an abomination in the eyes of God, but that is between God and the individual. The simple matter of it is that it harms nobody else and thus is not the legitimate province of government to legislate against.
 
Jerry said:
Implying those are the only 2 options available....
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Implying it's not my place to say who can and who can't get married. Nor do I want it to be my place.

I just want everybody to have the same options and opportunities to find the happiness and lasting love that I've found.

Why, or how can any of that be wrong?
 
DiavoTheMiavo said:
WOW!! Inter-racially married for 31-years. No pre-marital counseling or anything. Two very successful children who have provided us five wonderful grandkids. Of course I am sure we are the exception . . . but screw that . . . we never should have even had the choice.
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Now isn't that a co inky dink.Me and my wife are an interracial couple who didn't have pre-marital counseling or anything either.My wife Lena (who is my second wife,the first one was killed by a drunk driver almost 20 years ago) helped me raised wonderful daughters.
The eldest is now a hotshot lawyer at a prestigious investment firm.
The middle daughter is getting her masters degree in the culinary arts in Paris.
The youngest (the lesbian) is first year med school.

I guess your not the only exception here,
 
Verthaine said:
Now isn't that a co inky dink.Me and my wife are an interracial couple who didn't have pre-marital counseling or anything either.My wife Lena (who is my second wife,the first one was killed by a drunk driver almost 20 years ago) helped me raised wonderful daughters.
The eldest is now a hotshot lawyer at a prestigious investment firm.
The middle daughter is getting her masters degree in the culinary arts in Paris.
The youngest (the lesbian) is first year med school.

I guess your not the only exception here,
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Yeah, but you shouldn't have even had the choice . . . I swear, if I did not read some of the stuff here, I wouldn't believe it.
 
Objective-J said:
1.) no its not as already explained to you in the past by muitple people :shrug: you can continue to deny it but that doesnt change anything
2.) this is your opinion and perception but in general its wrong because one is equal rights and one isnt and MANY people have no issues with polygamy they are simply educated enough on the matter to understand that its a NEW right not equal rights.

When you are ready to be honest let me know ill gladly go over it again for you
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whatever...keep squirming to avoid admitting you hypocrisy
 
OscarB63 said:
whatever...keep squirming to avoid admitting you hypocrisy
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if you believe that fallacy like i asked you many times please factually prove its hypocrisy, you will fail or resort to deflections/failed insults just like last time.

come on teach me a lesson prove its hypocrisy :D
 
DiavoTheMiavo said:
Yeah, but you shouldn't have even had the choice . . . I swear, if I did not read some of the stuff here, I wouldn't believe it.
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I fully understand.The level of stupidity here gets ridiculous.

Me and my first wife (Allison)had a wonderful relationship,and I am thankful of our time together,
But me and Lena are truly soulmates.She understands me in ways that my first wife just couldn't.
 
Dragonfly said:
Implying it's not my place to say who can and who can't get married. Nor do I want it to be my place.

I just want everybody to have the same options and opportunities to find the happiness and lasting love that I've found.

Why, or how can any of that be wrong?
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I've already said.
 
Objective-J said:
yes it is no matter how much you deny it, i have discussed it many times here before you were even a member.
no you do not have to have them before you can exercise them, women and minorities didnt have them before they were given thtme and that was equal rights, sorry you are simply wrong, just like you were the other day :shrug:
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It doesn't matter how many times you discussed it here, lol. You can discuss a billion times and that still won't make it any less wrong. If homosexuals actually had the right to marry, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. They would be good to go in all 50 states. As it stands, they aren't even close.

Now, if you were to say that it is inevitable that the SC will cave-in to radical pressure, I would be more inclined to agree with you. But as it stands, you're wrong.... as usual.
 
Verthaine said:
And your point is....?
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Back to the original argument that I refuted. Homosexuals can't possibly share the EXACT same love with each other that Heterosexuals share.
 
Dooble said:
Back to the original argument that I refuted. Homosexuals can't possibly share the EXACT same love with each other that Heterosexuals share.
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And you know this by personal experience how?

And are you saying every hetero relationship is the same?
Becuase it seems the two marriages I had are totally different from each other.
Neither one is superior to the other.

By the way,are you married yourself?
 
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