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What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

  • Because I’m gay/lesbian

    Votes: 3 2.2%

  • Because it’s an equal rights issue

    Votes: 78 57.4%

  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    Votes: 6 4.4%

  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Because I don’t want to be labeled a bigot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I’m opposed to gay marriage

    Votes: 13 9.6%

  • I don’t care, either way

    Votes: 16 11.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 19 14.0%
  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed .
Your Star said:
So things like wearing mixed linen's, and not having a bar on your roof are sins? :lol:
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Absolutely.

Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to study those passages and in some cases the context of scriptures gives a better understanding. For example, some directives only apply during certain ceremonies or even a record of a conversation where someone was trying to deceive someone else. In such instances you can't decipher if verses of scripture are plucked out of the Bible and presented as stand alone statements.

Nevertheless, there are not a few cases in the Bible where God just wants us to trust Him that he only tells us to do things that are in our best interest. If its in the Bible it must be there for a reason, even if I don't understand why. My job isn't to agree with God only after I've contemplated each leading He's given in the Bible and only follow the things I think are good ideas as if I'm smarter that God. Remember, every horrible thing that's ever happened in human history traces is origins to eating a seemingly harmless piece of fruit. What they didn't know was it apparently contained a poison that caused a mutation in those who consumed it as well as their offspring leading to sickness, death and causes us all become self-consumed and inconsiderate of others to varying degrees. It further seems once digested its adverse affects would spread to nearly all organic life on earth. He didn't go into detail as to why and it possibly made no sense in Adam and Eve. All He said was don't eat it because if you do you'll die. So yeah, if the Bible said don't wear mixed linen's and don't have a bar on your roof, its a sin absent some further contextual clarification.
 
I support SSM for these reasons..

I believe they should have that right.
My spiritual beliefs have absolutely no problem with homosexuality
I have a daughter that is gay.
It doesn't hurt anyone exept for the sense of entitilement some of the Anti SSM crowd (or as I like to call them "ASSM-ites")
As the owner of a company that owns resturaunts,catering services,and banquet halls,my company can easily make over a million dollars a year extra just from gay wedding.And in this economy I'd (as company owner and CEO) be a fool not to go for every legitimate and legal dollar I can.
 
ChrisL said:
Pretty interesting stuff. I've never heard of that before.
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Yeah. The Bible is a very intriguing read even if someone is a non-believer. I wasn't going to church but has a modern English version of the Bible that I would read. I figured out the OT was prior to Jesus and the NT was about Jesus and the early church. I got goose bumps when I first read Psalm 22, which is a detailed description of the crucifixion hundreds of years BEFORE is happened.
 
Smeagol said:
Yeah. The Bible is a very intriguing read even if someone is a non-believer. I wasn't going to church but has a modern English version of the Bible that I would read. I figured out the OT was prior to Jesus and the NT was about Jesus and the early church. I got goose bumps when I first read Psalm 22, which is a detailed description of the crucifixion hundreds of years BEFORE is happened.
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Psalm 22 is not about crucifixion.
 
Verthaine said:
I support SSM for these reasons..

I believe they should have that right.
My spiritual beliefs have absolutely no problem with homosexuality
I have a daughter that is gay.
It doesn't hurt anyone exept for the sense of entitilement some of the Anti SSM crowd (or as I like to call them "ASSM-ites")
As the owner of a company that owns resturaunts,catering services,and banquet halls,my company can easily make over a million dollars a year extra just from gay wedding.And in this economy I'd (as company owner and CEO) be a fool not to go for every legitimate and legal dollar I can.
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Although I don't support same sex marriage, I love gay people, if that makes any sense. I don't think anyone should be treated unkindly because of their sexuality. Like a lot of people I have gay friends. What I oppose is the societal "normalization" of something I believe God teaches is a sin. I also oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in something I think is sinful.
 
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Smeagol said:
Although I don't support same sex marriage, I love gay people, if that makes any sense. I don't think anyone should be treated unkindly because of their sexuality. Like a lot of people I have gay friends. What I oppose is the societal "normalization" of something I believe God teaches is a sin. I also oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in something I think is sinful.
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If you loved gay people, you would not discriminate against them institutionally. Because, you see, institutional discrimination is NOT tolerance. Stop persecuting people.

Regarding the bold, who forced you to do gay stuff?
 
Guy Incognito said:
Psalm 22 is not about crucifixion.
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Of course it is.

Pierced His Hands and Feet:
Old Testament Prophecy: Psalm 22:16
New Testament Fulfillment: John 19:17-18

Gambled For His Clothes
Old Testament Prophecy: Psalm 22:18
New Testament Fulfillment: John 19:23-24

No Bones Broken
Old Testament Prophecy: Psalm 34:20 [and Psalm 22]
New Testament Fulfillment: John 19:32-33,36

Forsaken by God:
Old Testament Prophecy: Psalm 22:1
New Testament Fulfillment: Matthew 27:46
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The Death of Christ - Prophecy Fulfilled

Pierced hands and feet, no bones broken, forsaken by God and gambling for his clothes... all foreshadowed in Psalm 22 and fullfilled by Jesus, as explained explicitly the the New Testament.



God's promise to David was a Christ, and David was well aware of this; thus, David foreshadowed the coming of Christ often.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I'm not in the mood for games, this is patently fallacious reasoning.
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Well, it's what all Christians believe. God's promise to David (and before him Abraham) was a Christ - salvation - the King that never falls, and David was well aware of this; thus, David foreshadowed the coming of Christ often.

To think that the OT is not messianic is ignorant. All Abrahamic religions believe such.
 
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ecofarm said:
Well, it's what all Christians believe. God's promise to David (and before him Abraham) was a Christ - salvation - the King that never falls, and David was well aware of this; thus, David foreshadowed the coming of Christ often.

To think that the OT is not messianic is ignorant. Even Jews believe such.
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Well look I believe it's true too. Psalm 22 is a fulfilled prophecy. But it never mentions the word crucifixion and none of the parallels are evidence, considering that the psalm was known to the authors of the Bible. The psalm talks about people casting lots for clothes, for instance, and then a thousand years later a guy who probably had that psalm committed to memory records that the Romans cast lots for Christ's clothes in order to bolster his claims that Jesus is the messiah. As an objective matter of evidence that is so flimsy as to not be worth discussing, it proves nothing. I can't imagine why it would give anybody "goosebumps" if they have even the slightest ability to think critically.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
Well look I believe it's true too. Psalm 22 is a fulfilled prophecy. But it never mentions the word crucifixion and none of the parallels are evidence, considering that the psalm was known to the authors of the Bible.
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The authors of the Bible claimed that Jesus's clothing being gambled for was foreshadowed in Psalm 22. You wanna argue against Scripture, from a Christian perspective?
 
Smeagol said:
Although I don't support same sex marriage, I love gay people, if that makes any sense. I don't think anyone should be treated unkindly because of their sexuality. Like a lot of people I have gay friends. What I oppose is the societal "normalization" of something I believe God teaches is a sin. I also oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in something I think is sinful.
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I oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in someone elses' religious beliefs that are not my own.If christians feel that homosexuality is a sin,then they shouldn't engage in homosexual activities.
 
Regardless of the Old Testament, New Testament, Bible or any book of religion at all, you are free to have your own personal religious beliefs.

However, legally, and morally for a GREAT many people, gay rights, marriage rights, and equal rights are the issue.

Churches won't be forced to perform gay marriage. States and Governments will.

This is not a church issue, but one for the entire society.

I don't believe in the Bible and what it says. It is a book written by men, for men, and not the "word of god" no matter what god you believe in.

You are free to interpret the Bible literally if you chose, but you are not free to force those interpretation on the rest of us.

So you may say "I don't believe SSM is right for me and my beliefs" as long as you also say "but I am not going to force my beliefs on others."
 
Verthaine said:
I oppose what sometimes feels like pressure not just to live and let live but rather to endorse, celebrate, be censored on honest thought and expression and even participate in someone elses' religious beliefs that are not my own.If christians feel that homosexuality is a sin,then they shouldn't engage in homosexual activities.
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Christians should be tolerant. Institutional discrimination is not tolerance. Did they learn nothing from Paul? Circumcision and abstinence ain't gonna save nobody.
 
ecofarm said:
The authors of the Bible claimed that Jesus's clothing being gambled for was foreshadowed in Psalm 22. You wanna argue against Scripture, from a Christian perspective?
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No, i just want to address this rationally. God is not cruel, He makes it possible to know Him through reason. One does not need to contravene reason to find God, quite the contrary. Reason is a gift from God and denying reason is as much a sin against Him as sex outside of wedlock.

The only thing psalm 22 proves about the new testament is that the people who wrote the new testament had read psalm 22. Beyond that it is such weak evidence that it is embarrassing if that's all you've got to rely on.
 
ecofarm said:
Christians should be tolerant. Institutional discrimination is not tolerance. Did they learn nothing from Paul?
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I fully agree.I believe that a number of Christians need to stop believing that cChristianity and Christians have sole ownership and copyright of such things as "God","Morality",Love","Peace",Marriage", etc.
 
Guy Incognito said:
No, i just want to address this rationally. God is not cruel, He makes it possible to know Him through reason. One does not need to contravene reason to find God, quite the contrary. Reason is a gift from God and denying reason is as much a sin against Him as sex outside of wedlock.

The only thing psalm 22 proves about the new testament is that the people who wrote the new testament had read psalm 22. Beyond that it is such weak evidence that it is embarrassing if that's all you've got to rely on.
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Dude, if someone doesn't claim Scripture divine, then fine... we can have the discussion about whether these things are coincidence or invented evidence. But you want a Christian to engage in discussion regarding whether their Holy Book is coincidence or fraud? C'mon. Right here and now?

Fact is, all Christians believe Psalm 22 foreshadows Jesus and all Abrahamic religions believe it foreshadows a messiah (because it comes from David, regardless of other reasons).
 
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ecofarm said:
Dude, if someone doesn't claim Scripture divine, then fine... we can have the discussion about whether these things are coincidence or invented evidence. But you want a Christian to engage in discussion regarding whether their Holy Book is coincidence or fraudulent? C'mon. Right here and now?

Fact is, all Christians believe Psalm 22 foreshadows Jesus and all Abrahamic religions believe it foreshadows a messiah (because it comes from David, regardless of other reasons).
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Wha does that have to do with anything? It doesn't refer to crucifixion, and it doesn't function as evidence of anything. As a prophecy, it is unimpressive, because it could just as easily be fulfilled through mundane means. It shouldn't be giving any rational person goosebumps.
 
Smeagol said:
Absolutely.

Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to study those passages and in some cases the context of scriptures gives a better understanding. For example, some directives only apply during certain ceremonies or even a record of a conversation where someone was trying to deceive someone else. In such instances you can't decipher if verses of scripture are plucked out of the Bible and presented as stand alone statements.

Nevertheless, there are not a few cases in the Bible where God just wants us to trust Him that he only tells us to do things that are in our best interest. If its in the Bible it must be there for a reason, even if I don't understand why. My job isn't to agree with God only after I've contemplated each leading He's given in the Bible and only follow the things I think are good ideas as if I'm smarter that God. Remember, every horrible thing that's ever happened in human history traces is origins to eating a seemingly harmless piece of fruit. What they didn't know was it apparently contained a poison that caused a mutation in those who consumed it as well as their offspring leading to sickness, death and causes us all become self-consumed and inconsiderate of others to varying degrees. It further seems once digested its adverse affects would spread to nearly all organic life on earth. He didn't go into detail as to why and it possibly made no sense in Adam and Eve. All He said was don't eat it because if you do you'll die. So yeah, if the Bible said don't wear mixed linen's and don't have a bar on your roof, its a sin absent some further contextual clarification.
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Well, I don't believe in the Bible literally, and am full aware that humans wrote, and put the thing together, based on oral stories, so there are going to be some mistakes. I'm not going to believe that something like wearing mixed linens is a sin because the old Jewish community's legal system was tied into their religion, so they placed their laws in their religious book. I believe we should take the essence of the Bible, peace, love, understanding, and forgiveness, and live by that, and not worry about if we're following these specific laws to the letter. That just seems silly to me.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Wha does that have to do with anything? It doesn't refer to crucifixion, and it doesn't function as evidence of anything.
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If you'd like to argue that David did not knowlingly and intentionally foreshadow a messiah (divinely inspired or not), you'll lose - because he did, that's obvious to any and every Abrahamic scholar.
 
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ecofarm said:
If you'd like to argue that David did not knowlingly and intentionally foreshadow a messiah (divinely inspired or not), you'll lose - because he did, that's obvious to any and every Bible scholar.
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You are apparently not paying attention to what I'm saying. Nice troll, can't believe I fell for it.
 
Your Star said:
I believe we should take the essence of the Bible, peace, love, understanding, and forgiveness, and live by that, and not worry about if we're following these specific laws to the letter.
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Keep preachin' the Gospel.
 
digsbe said:
I support SSM because I believe that gays, lesbians and bisexuals love each other with identical emotions that straight people have and that they should be allowed to legally wed.
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Yet same-sex couples don't share identical body functions that straight people have, therefore, they should not be allowed to legally wed.
 
Dooble said:
Yet same-sex couples don't share identical body functions that straight people have, therefore, they should not be allowed to legally wed.
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Before I suggest this is the dumbest reasoning I've heard to date, can you please explain in more detail exactly what on earth you mean here?
 
Dragonfly said:
Before I suggest this is the dumbest reasoning I've heard to date, can you please explain in more detail exactly what on earth you mean here?
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Not before I suggest that you read the post I was responding to. His logic was flawed. There is zero proof that same-sex couples can love each other the EXACT same way heterosexual couples love each other. There's simply no way this is possible, as one major reason is that same-sex couples cannot create life together -- that is a bond they will never understand, and is a primary reason for marriage, in the first place.
 
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