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What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

  • Because I’m gay/lesbian

    Votes: 3 2.2%

  • Because it’s an equal rights issue

    Votes: 78 57.4%

  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    Votes: 6 4.4%

  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Because I don’t want to be labeled a bigot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I’m opposed to gay marriage

    Votes: 13 9.6%

  • I don’t care, either way

    Votes: 16 11.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 19 14.0%
  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed .
Dooble said:
Just ignore that part. I got ahead of myself on that one.
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ahead of yourself? I dont even see how mass genocide are on the same path

anyway what "bad" do YOU think will happen from equal rights
 
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You're right. The Judges decide the ambiguities of the contract for the poor chilluns'. Even the pets.
 
Objective-J said:
well with this one post you just proved there a whole lot you dont know about contracts or marriage.

legal marriage is in fact a legal contract.
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Awesome. I'll put my JD/MBA up against yours......
 
Fisher said:
Awesome. I'll put my JD/MBA up against yours......
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do as you wish, the evidence is already here :shrug:
it shows how little you know just look at posts 28 and 32 where you are wrong.
 
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Objective-J said:
ahead of yourself? I dont even see how mass genocide are on the same path

anyway what "bad" do YOU think will happen from equal rights
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At ease, soldier. Don't sprain your brain on this one. I just wanted to get the guy's idea of what bad is. The rest of that was just scrambled eggs.
 
Dooble said:
At ease, soldier. Don't sprain your brain on this one. I just wanted to get the guy's idea of what bad is. The rest of that was just scrambled eggs.
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no brain sprain i wanted to see what your broken logic was to relate the two, but i guess you have nothing.

now on to my question i asked you didnt answer, what "bad" do YOU think will happen from equal rights
 
Objective-J said:
no brain sprain i wanted to see what your broken logic was to relate the two, but i guess you have nothing.
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I have nothing because there is nothing. It was an incomplete thought. Give your brain a rest.

Objective-J said:
now on to my question i asked you didnt answer, what "bad" do YOU think will happen from equal rights
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You mean equal rights that aren't actually rights yet? Is that what you mean? If same-sex marriage were an actual right, don't you think it would be recognized in all 50 states?
 
Guy Incognito said:
Then you should know that marriage contains elements of contract, counsellor.
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I know that there are 5 requirement for a contract to be valid and government involvement in entering into one or leaving one is not amongst those 5 elements. Marriage is a legal status. Whether or not the Courts decide to apply contract principles to them on the ending side to get to whatever equitable argument they want to make does not make them contracts. Of all the arguments for gay marriage, this one is the silliest IMHO and opens the door to all the equally silly polygamy arguments against it since contracts can have multiple parties.
 
Dooble said:
1.)I have nothing because there is nothing. It was an incomplete thought. Give your brain a rest.

You mean equal rights that aren't actually rights yet? Is that what you mean? If same-sex marriage were an actual right, don't you think it would be legal in all 50 states?
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1.) not only incomplete but illogical, glad you figured that out
2.) sooooooo you are dodging it again? maybe youll ask next time ill try again, what "bad" do YOU think will happen from equal rights?
 
Fisher said:
I know that there are 5 requirement for a contract to be valid and government involvement in entering into one or leaving one is not amongst those 5 elements. Marriage is a legal status. Whether or not the Courts decide to apply contract principles to them on the ending side to get to whatever equitable argument they want to make does not make them contracts. Of all the arguments for gay marriage, this one is the silliest IMHO and opens the door to all the equally silly polygamy arguments against it since contracts can have multiple parties.
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Oh, I see, you haven't passed the bar yet:roll:
 
Objective-J said:
1.) not only incomplete but illogical, glad you figured that out
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Me too. Though I see you still haven't figured out how to rest your brain. ;)

Objective-J said:
2.) sooooooo you are dodging it again? maybe youll ask next time ill try again, what "bad" do YOU think will happen from equal rights?
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Hey, you're a smart guy. I just want to be sure you have your ducks in a row before you go popping off. Go ahead and explain yourself, then I'll be more than happy to address your query.
 
Dooble said:
1.)Me too. Though I see you still haven't figured out how to rest your brain. ;)

Hey, you're a smart guy. I just want to be sure you have your ducks in a row before you go popping off. Go ahead and explain yourself, then I'll be more than happy to address your query.
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1.)it was never not at rest, i knew it was illogical the moment i read it, just found it weird that it was possible you didnt.
2.) soooo yet another dodge, weird you cant answer the simple question you wanted answered. ill try yet a third time, what "bad" do YOU think will happen from equal rights?(gay marriage)
 
Objective-J said:
1.)it was never not at rest, i knew it was illogical the moment i read it, just found it weird that it was possible you didnt.
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And yet, you still can't shut up about it. Obsess much?

Objective-J said:
2.) soooo yet another dodge, weird you cant answer the simple question you wanted answered. ill try yet a third time, what "bad" do YOU think will happen from equal rights?(gay marriage)
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How in the world can you expect to get questions answered when you don't even have your s*** together? Answer the question, please.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Oh, I see, you haven't passed the bar yet:roll:
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Sure I have and I have done a divorce or two and drafted hundreds of commercial contracts :eek: but if you want to show me where government permission to enter into and leave a contract between two private individuals is a required element of a contract, I will be sure to give it all the consideration it deserves.....
 
Dooble said:
And yet, you still can't shut up about it. Obsess much?

How in the world can you expect to get questions answered when you don't even have your s*** together? Answer the question, please.
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1.) just find it funny you are defensive about it thats all, you made a mistake and instead of just admitting it, you got defensive LOL, its very funny
2.) and yet ANOTHER dodge(5), so ill ask AGAIN, what "bad" do YOU think will happen from equal rights?(gay marriage)
 
Fisher said:
Sure I have and I have done a divorce or two and drafted hundreds of commercial contracts :eek: but if you want to show me where government permission to enter into and leave a contract between two private individuals is a required element of a contract, I will be sure to give it all the consideration it deserves.....
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you say this yet the fact remains marriage is a contract :shrug:
 
Fisher said:
Sure I have and I have done a divorce or two and drafted hundreds of commercial contracts :eek: but if you want to show me where government permission to enter into and leave a contract between two private individuals is a required element of a contract, I will be sure to give it all the consideration it deserves.....
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So you're a practicing lawyer yet you do not understand the simple fact that marriage contains aspects of contract? So you're just incompetent?
 
Fisher said:
Sure I have and I have done a divorce or two and drafted hundreds of commercial contracts :eek: but if you want to show me where government permission to enter into and leave a contract between two private individuals is a required element of a contract, I will be sure to give it all the consideration it deserves.....
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Here are some thoughts on the subject from a much more knowledgeable lawyer than you:
The Volokh Conspiracy » Is Marriage a Legal Contract?

To wit:
So marriage is a contract, and has long been described as a contract, but it’s a very peculiar kind of contract that has its own special legal rules. To ask whether marriage is “technically” a contract doesn’t make much sense, because it presupposes a single unique meaning for the term “contract.” If by contract you mean “a contract as typically defined at law,” which is to say a contract that has most of the legal consequences that a typical contract has, then the answer is “largely not,” because marriage contracts have such specialized legal consequences. If by contract you mean “something the law has typically labeled a contract,” the answer is “probably yes,” simply because “marriage contract” has long been a common term. If by contract you mean “a mutual agreement that the law treats as binding as a consequence of the parties’ having agreed to it,” then the answer is “yes.”
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Guy Incognito said:
Here are some thoughts on the subject from a much more knowledgeable lawyer than you:
The Volokh Conspiracy » Is Marriage a Legal Contract?

To wit:
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Funny, Volokh doesn't speak to what Fisher said:

but if you want to show me where government permission to enter into and leave a contract between two private individuals is a required element of a contract, I will be sure to give it all the consideration it deserves.....
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It's hilarious to me how you continually lecture people learned in their own fields when you have absolutely not one clue.
 
Harshaw said:
Funny, Volokh doesn't speak to what Fisher said:



It's hilarious to me how you continually lecture people learned in their own fields when you have absolutely not one clue.
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Funny, you cane into the conversation out of context and obviously didn't read the preceding posts, just to troll me. Had you actually read the whole thread you'd see it's precisely on point.

Oh wait, not funny... Typical. At this point I can't even remember what I said to you that got you so butthurt, Harsh, but you simply haven't got the discipline or argumentative chops to get the better of me. Just let it go.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Funny, you cane into the conversation out of context and obviously didn't read the preceding posts, just to troll me. Had you actually read the whole thread you'd see it's precisely on point.
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No, actually, I did, and you yourself interloped in the exchange between Fisher and Objective-J.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that your quote from Volokh does nothing to refute what Fisher said. Perhaps instead of getting "butthurt," as you put it, you can simply provide what Fisher asked for instead of quoting yet another legal scholar whose writing you don't understand and which doesn't apply.


Oh wait, not funny... Typical. At this point I can't even remember what I said to you that got you so butthurt, Harsh, but you simply haven't got the discipline or argumentative chops to get the better of me. Just let it go.
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Right, as all the threads you disappeared from for lack of support for anything you said attest. :roll:
 
I see absoultely no logical reason for anyone to oppose SSM. Answers for the most common arguments against (IMO)...

1. If it's because of religion, do you think the couple involved are not aware of what the Book says? Who are you to judge?

2. It doesn't devalue your own marriage in any way, shape or form.

3. What two consenting adults do is none of your business.

4. In support of love and committment.

5. Heterosexual couples don't always procreate, and some SSC's adopt.

And last but not least,

6. (TIC) Imagine the boon to the wedding industry...... :wink:
 
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