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What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

  • Because I’m gay/lesbian

    Votes: 3 2.2%
  • Because it’s an equal rights issue

    Votes: 78 57.4%
  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    Votes: 6 4.4%
  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Because I don’t want to be labeled a bigot

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I’m opposed to gay marriage

    Votes: 13 9.6%
  • I don’t care, either way

    Votes: 16 11.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 19 14.0%

  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed .
if you allow some consenting adults to do a thing...ALL consenting adults should be able to do a thing
And that's certainly where we're headed, isn't it? Don't worry, dude. I'm sure most of the 50 states will be celebrating homosexuality in no time.
 
I support it because homosexuals should not be denied the misery we heterosexual men have had to put up with for generations.
 
I support it because homosexuals should not be denied the misery we heterosexual men have had to put up with for generations.
I suspect after the thrill of their political victory wears off, we'll see a spike in same-sex divorce.
 
And that's certainly where we're headed, isn't it? Don't worry, dude. I'm sure most of the 50 states will be celebrating homosexuality in no time.

It's not contagious my friend....have no fear.
 
We have to do our best to follow God's commandments, even if due to events beyond our control, that it comes down to pure intent.

Which is speaking of a personal responsability, not a legal one. My point was that trying to use the law to force some portions of "gods commandments" while not in any way seeking to use hte law to force other portions of the very same "commandment" smacks of the notion that it's not hte commandment you're worrying about and is precisely the issue with attempting to use religious law as a means of arguing for societal law in anything but a theocracy.
 
And that's certainly where we're headed, isn't it? Don't worry, dude. I'm sure most of the 50 states will be celebrating homosexuality in no time.

Are states "celebrating heterosexuality" now? How is allowing for something hte same as "celebrating" it?

Westboro Baptist Church is "allowed" and legally able to proclaim god caused the death of 20+ kids because he was pissed about Gay Marriage at their funerals. It's "allowed" that a group can meet and demonstrate in the name of, and in honor of, groups who engaged in the wanton killing of minorities due to their minority status. It's "allowed" and legally okay to sit at ones home masturbating to the thoughts of defecating upon a child. Does that mean those things are "Celebrated" simply because they're legal?

I don't particularly find sexuality something that the state needs to "celebrate" in any fashion.
 
So what exactly is your ongoing Divine Revelation? does it allow you to pick and choose what parts of the Bible you obey and what parts you get to ignore?
Yes. Sounds convenient, I know, but some parts of the Bible (usually customs, and some rituals) are no longer relevant to today.

Oh I don't see the secular world attempting to suppress fundie religions. More like refusing to allow fundie religions from dominating the national discussion on our society.
Of course you don't. Because the secular world wants to dominate the national discussion, instead.

No marriage is a PERSONAL thing, to you religious to me secular. Marriage comes in a wide variety of forms, anyone attempting to push it into the domain of religion ignores millions of citizens who have marriage certificates but never set foot in a Church.
Here in the US, Marriage used to hold a lot more religious significance. Now the institution is riddled with divorce and homosexual involvement.
 
Dooble said:
I suspect after the thrill of their political victory wears off, we'll see a spike in same-sex divorce.

That goes without saying. You make a birthday cake for a kid 3 weeks before his birthday and tell him he can't have any until his birthday, he's going to suffer 3 weeks of anticipation before literally getting sick on birthday cake.

That's just standard psychology.
 
Now the institution is riddled with divorce and homosexual involvement.

"Straight" people have done more to sully the "institution" than anyone else.

Besides all that though, how has or how would your marriage be changed by allowing gay's to marry?

The truthful answer would be that it wouldn't, but I'm curious as to what you answer would be.
 
Marriage is a religious term. Same sex contracts is a fine description and marriage should also be labelled the same. CONTRACT! We're talking about a legal contract, not in any way related to love.

Well, we're not only talking about contract, we're talking about a legal relationship that is enforced by government fiat against nonparties to the contract.
 
I'm opposed to same-sex marriage for the simple fact that I believe it is contrary to God's will. I know it's difficult for many to see now, but decline in morality will spell the eventual destruction of our society. Proof that we are on that path has already been manifested through the advent of additional things like legalized abortion, legalized marijuana, homosexuality, and just pre-marital sex, in general. All things most of you cherish, but become very defensive (sometimes even hostile) over when an opposing view is expressed.
God's will ??
Interesting.....for something that, IMO, exists not...
Decline in morality ??
treating the "less fortuniate" with tolerance and respect is a decline....strange, very strange...
 
I'm opposed to same-sex marriage for the simple fact that I believe it is contrary to God's will. I know it's difficult for many to see now, but decline in morality will spell the eventual destruction of our society. Proof that we are on that path has already been manifested through the advent of additional things like legalized abortion, legalized marijuana, homosexuality, and just pre-marital sex, in general. All things most of you cherish, but become very defensive (sometimes even hostile) over when an opposing view is expressed.

Being true to your beliefs is fine. More power to ya.

Where you run afoul is when you try to force your beliefs on others.

I don't believe in the god you believe in. Many don't. Many believe in a completely different god than you do.

Believe what you want, and do so freely and honestly.

Your beliefs are just that though. Yours. Not mine, and not anyone elses.

So laws and restrictions based on your god and your beliefs are things many of us are going to disagree with and in some cases actually fight against.

I don't care if you and your church agree to recognize gay marriage or not.

What I care about is the state, feds, insurance companies, medical facilities, law agencies, and financial agencies and what they recognize and acknowledge.

The westboro baptists or the FLDS off-shoots can refuse to accept whatever they chose.

The government can't, or at least shouldn't.

As has been stated many times before, there was once a great deal of society against inter-racial marriage.
Accepting that did not destroy society.

Two consenting adults involved in loving, caring, and long-lasting relationships that build families and communities should not be forbidden simply because of they're gay.

We should be combating ignorance, fear, and hatred.
Not love, affection, and committed relationships.

Think about that for a while.
 
Yes. Sounds convenient, I know, but some parts of the Bible (usually customs, and some rituals) are no longer relevant to today.

Of course you don't. Because the secular world wants to dominate the national discussion, instead.

Here in the US, Marriage used to hold a lot more religious significance. Now the institution is riddled with divorce and homosexual involvement.

Sounds very convenient, and the usual dodge of those looking in the Scriptures for justification rather than direction.

Now I can remember when 'blue laws' prohibited any business on Sunday with a very few exceptions. I can remember when preachers railed against interracial marriage and quoted something about Noah, Ham and some drunken curse. I'd say rather than the secular part of the nation wanting to dominate it is the secular part wants a fair place at the debate table and has quite a bit of legal justification in having a rather large say in matters.

Like the above mentioned blue laws yes times have changed, the vast majority think for the better. While divorce isn't a good thing, having a couple stay married because social convention or the local preacher/priest refuses to grant a divorce is no better. people make mistakes and where possible the ability to corrct that mistake is always better than continuing the mistake.

Not sure I would use the word 'riddled' for homosexual involvement- I'd go with expanded or encompassing... :peace
 
Everyone deserves equality. Doesn't matter if you're talking about blacks and whites, men and women or gays and straights, nobody should have rights for one group that are denied another group.
 
I'm opposed to same-sex marriage for the simple fact that I believe it is contrary to God's will. I know it's difficult for many to see now, but decline in morality will spell the eventual destruction of our society. Proof that we are on that path has already been manifested through the advent of additional things like legalized abortion, legalized marijuana, homosexuality, and just pre-marital sex, in general. All things most of you cherish, but become very defensive (sometimes even hostile) over when an opposing view is expressed.

I assume you are american or in america? correct me if im wrong

A gods will is pretty meaningless when it comes to AMERICAS laws rights and freedoms and I thank god that I live in a nation like that because the reality could easily be what if AMERICA did care about gods will and that god wasnt mine?

so thinking, teaching, beliving, preaching gay marriage is wrong or immoral for your own personal beliefs is just fine and luckily you have that right but stopping others in this country from having equal rights would make a person a huge hypocrite and america obviously isnt the place for them.

If you want all YOUR moral beliefs to all be laws of the land you are in the wrong country and have a poor understanding what freedom and america is.
 
equating marriage to the right to contract is kind of a silly argument IMHO. Contracts have terms--marriages do not.

well with this one post you just proved there a whole lot you dont know about contracts or marriage.

legal marriage is in fact a legal contract.
 
It is not a contract. It does not have terms. You don't even have to have a ceremony or say vows to be married. It is a legal status, not a contract. There is very little that cannot be done by default in a marriage that could not be done by Wills or Powers of Attorney or beneficiary designations completely outside the marriage. The only difference are the default ruls that come with the legal status over which the parties agreeing to the alleged contract have ZERO control. Calling marriage a contract undermines the argument for SS marriage. It is silly and that is that.

wrong again actually marriage provides about 1400 different protections and rights, many which can only be achieved through marriage and many which are more legally binding through marriage than the other stuff you offered.
Sorry, you are simply wrong.
 
Well, we're not only talking about contract, we're talking about a legal relationship that is enforced by government fiat against nonparties to the contract.

Show up in divorce court and tell that to the judge, my friend. He gonna have a good laugh.
 
I support SSM because i believe in equal rights for all, and if they are allowed to marry and be happy nothing bad to society will happen.
 
Are states "celebrating heterosexuality" now? How is allowing for something hte same as "celebrating" it?

Westboro Baptist Church is "allowed" and legally able to proclaim god caused the death of 20+ kids because he was pissed about Gay Marriage at their funerals. It's "allowed" that a group can meet and demonstrate in the name of, and in honor of, groups who engaged in the wanton killing of minorities due to their minority status. It's "allowed" and legally okay to sit at ones home masturbating to the thoughts of defecating upon a child. Does that mean those things are "Celebrated" simply because they're legal?

I don't particularly find sexuality something that the state needs to "celebrate" in any fashion.
Yeah, 'Celebrating' is a bit overboard. It'd be fair to say that most of the 50 States will support homosexuality, don't you think?
 
I support SSM because i believe in equal rights for all, and if they are allowed to marry and be happy nothing bad to society will happen.
Define "bad". Are you saying you don't think mass genocide will hit America if we legalize gay marriage?
 
Define "bad". Are you saying you don't think mass genocide will hit America if we legalize gay marriage?

Whats honestly going to happen? Pissed off christian fundamentalists? Theyll get over it.
 
This could be stated as follows

Being true to how you think God has created humanity does not mean you - a human - can interpret or even know what your deity did or did not decide.

I see. So you're saying God is some elusive entity that really has no interest in communicating with us?
A rather bizarre interpretation of something I thought was quite clear. I was rather specific in stating that YOU may not have the capacity for interpreting the 'words' of your deity. I said nothing about whether or not said deity has any "interest in communicating with us"

Another poster stated "marriage is a religious statement" (or something similar) No one with any knowledge of history would make such a claim but then lots of people don't have much knowledge of history.
Are you suggesting that I should study history, instead of scripture, to learn about God?
I posted nothing about your beliefs as they regard some deity. You and others are making various claims about said deity that others who hold a belief in the same god do not find valid. Of course when this is noted, the standard response is invariably the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Are you seriously trying to claim that no other society or civilization in the history of mankind has instituted the custom we know as marriage?

Yeah, a bit of history and archaeology study might cause a rational person to begin a process of questioning previously held religious beliefs. The data available does cause some serious questions to be raised about the validity of the history laid down in one sacred text.
 
Define "bad". Are you saying you don't think mass genocide will hit America if we legalize gay marriage?

??????
why would mass genoicide result from equal rights?
 
Show up in divorce court and tell that to the judge, my friend. He gonna have a good laugh.

What are you talking about? My comment obviously went over your head entirely. Maybe you can figure out where you went wrong yourself, I don't care to explain.
 
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