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What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage? [W:539/549]

What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

  • Because I’m gay/lesbian

    Votes: 3 2.2%

  • Because it’s an equal rights issue

    Votes: 78 57.4%

  • Because gays/lesbians love each other too

    Votes: 6 4.4%

  • Because I despise bigots/haters

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Because I don’t want to be labeled a bigot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I’m opposed to gay marriage

    Votes: 13 9.6%

  • I don’t care, either way

    Votes: 16 11.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 19 14.0%
  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed .
Dooble said:
And we will not have, nor are we going to implement, your form of Communism in this country.
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CUrious, What form of "communism" as Redress displayed. Links? Examples? Facts?
 
Redress said:
SSM is not going to make more people gay. It is going to encourage more stable relationships among gay people. England does not have legal SSM.
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I didn't say it will make more people gay. I said that the acceptance of homosexuality makes them come out of their shells. When gays were frowned upon, they were much less open about admitting they were gay. This meant more difficulty finding partners, hence less gay sex. Care to explain where that's wrong?
 
Objective-J said:
SOrry this is incorrect. it does not because of the following:

there is legal gay/homosexual marriage.
legal marriage is not permanent
legal marriage is not a holy matrimony
legal marriage does not have to happen before the eyes of god
etc etc etc

all of these facts prove your statement to be 100% false

The Bible's Teaching on Marriage and Family
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Legal marriage is between a man and a woman. This also coincides with the Bible.

Sorry, you are wrong again, as usual.
 
Mathematician said:
I didn't say it will make more people gay. I said that the acceptance of homosexuality makes them come out of their shells. When gays were frowned upon, they were much less open about admitting they were gay. This meant more difficulty finding partners, hence less gay sex. Care to explain where that's wrong?
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and you have facts to support this claim as i know quite a few gay people that had no trouble finding partners but yet keeping the vase majority of thier friends/family/co workers in the dark.
 
Dooble said:
Legal marriage is between a man and a woman. This also coincides with the Bible.

Sorry, you are wrong again, as usual.
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link?
factual proof?

I provided facts with a link and you have nothing.

if you would like ANOTHER link to prove you wrong as done many times already here you go, just as recently as the election a couple more states LEGALIZED gay marriage. Same-sex marriage in the United States is recognized in several jurisdictions. As of January 2013, nine states—Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont, and Washington—as well as the District of Columbia and two Native American tribes—have legalized same-sex marriage. In addition, Rhode Island recognizes same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions, and California, which briefly granted same-sex marriages in 2008, now recognizes them on a conditional basis.

Gay Marriage Victory In Maine, Maryland; Minnesota Votes Down 'Traditional' Amendment (UPDATE)

Sorry your statement is 100% wrong as proven with facts.
 
I honestly do not see what is wrong with changing marriage to: "Marriage, for civil purposes, is the lawful union of two persons to the exclusion of all others."
 
Dooble said:
And we will not have, nor are we going to implement, your form of Communism in this country.
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Feel free to show where I have proposed any form of communism.
 
Mathematician said:
I didn't say it will make more people gay. I said that the acceptance of homosexuality makes them come out of their shells. When gays were frowned upon, they were much less open about admitting they were gay. This meant more difficulty finding partners, hence less gay sex. Care to explain where that's wrong?
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When gays are not open about it, that does not mean they are abstinent. In fact, many of the old methods of getting laid for gays that created the high HIV rate where a direct result of the social stigma of being gay. Thankfully that social stigma is vastly reduced.
 
Dooble said:
Legal marriage is between a man and a woman. This also coincides with the Bible.

Sorry, you are wrong again, as usual.
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Legal marriage is also between two men or two women in some states in this country and will very likely be between them on the federal level before the end of the fiscal year.

Plus, there are legal marriages recognized in this country by the federal government between two people who are legally of the same sex in this country because the federal government doesn't track when a person legally changes their sex. The following couple for intents and purposes, is legally married but also, legally, a same sex couple.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/fashion/27trans.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

Dooble said:
FACT. The legal definition of marriage coincides with the Bible, which means it coincides with the will of God. Kudos to the definers for getting it right. ;)
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If you're referring to the Defense of Marriage Act, section 3 which defines marriage has been held unconstitutional 6 or 8 times in the last few years and the current Executive, recognizing its likely unconstitutionality, is refusing to enforce it.

I'm guessing the odds are good the Supreme Court will find likewise when they take up the issue this spring.
 
What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

Mathematician said:
I didn't say it will make more people gay. I said that the acceptance of homosexuality makes them come out of their shells. When gays were frowned upon, they were much less open about admitting they were gay. This meant more difficulty finding partners, hence less gay sex. Care to explain where that's wrong?
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Ludicrous. What it meant was that there was huge underground gay culture. Similar to the huge underground alcohol culture prohibition spawned.
 
Gaius46 said:
Ludicrous. What it meant was that there was huge underground gay culture. Similar to the huge underground alcohol culture prohibition spawned.
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Then please share your hypothesis for why HIV in gays is at an all time high.
 
OscarB63 said:
knee jerk much? where did i say it caused any harm? just saying the "it's natural" argument is flawed. some people actually have to capability to agree with a position and disagree with a poor argument supporting the position.
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Pfft are you seriously kidding me or not? When you are bringing up cannibalism and what not. Talk about knee jerk and what not. Now then what harm does homosexuality cause on the same level.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Let's all cease with the baiting and flaming shall we?
 
Re: What is the primary reason behind your support for same-sex marriage?

Gaius46 said:
If you're referring to the Defense of Marriage Act, section 3 which defines marriage has been held unconstitutional 6 or 8 times in the last few years and the current Executive, recognizing its likely unconstitutionality, is refusing to enforce it.

I'm guessing the odds are good the Supreme Court will find likewise when they take up the issue this spring.
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The bolded part is not true. The law is still enforced, but the executive is not defending it in court.
 
Dooble said:
Legal marriage is between a man and a woman. This also coincides with the Bible.

Sorry, you are wrong again, as usual.
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Wrong

Legal marriage is a three way contract between two consenting adult parties who are unrelated and their respective governments.

You can get married as of age unrelated male and female, have a sex change and have a marriage between two people of the same gender. That alone invalidates your claim that marriage is male and female only.

Furthermore, just because the Bible says so is irrelevant. Slavery was condoned in the Bible. Do I need to say anything more?

Sorry, you are wrong again, as usual.
 
Dooble said:
FACT. The legal definition of marriage coincides with the Bible, which means it coincides with the will of God. Kudos to the definers for getting it right. ;)
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Since when? Biblical marriage dictates that the woman submit to the man, otherwise give up all authority and decision making. Legal marriage has absolutely nothing of that sort.

Biblical marriage has no incorporation of the secular state. Without a state license of marriage, you are not married. Legal marriage requires that the two consenting, of age, and unrelated parties sign a legal document. After that, you're married. There is no ceremony to be legally married. And don't even bring up Romans 13:1-2. You know full well that's talking about God's Authority and only God's Authority.

The legal definition of marriage hardly even gels with the Bible.
 
I'm one of those who pisses off supporters of "traditional" marriage and SSM at the same time. I'm for both and have been since the early 90's. If the religious folk want a separate meaning assigned to their traditional marriage, but are willing to recognize secular unions as being essentially the same thing as traditional marriage and that those entered into it are granted the same "rights", well we could be done with this debate. IMO those opposed to recognizing unions between SS couples are just resisting the inevitable.
 
Mathematician said:
Then please share your hypothesis for why HIV in gays is at an all time high.
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Sorry friend you've made the claim - specifically that there has been an increase in HIV in homosexual men which is attributable to societal acceptable of homosexuality - so the burden of proof lies with you.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Sorry friend you've made the claim - specifically that there has been an increase in HIV in homosexual men which is attributable to societal acceptable of homosexuality - so the burden of proof lies with you.
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Claim? In my last post, I asked you a simple question. Do you know the meaning of the word hypothesis? I don't know where you got this "burden of proof" crap, because all I asked for was your educated guess. I posted a link to statistics that showed gay men are 50 times more likely for HIV and it's at an all-time high, so the issue with gay sex has been well demonstrated. You immediately cried "Ludicrous" at my hypothesis that it was from gays homing out of the closet. In response, I would like your guess as to a better explanation.
 
Mathematician said:
Claim? In my last post, I asked you a simple question. Do you know the meaning of the word hypothesis? I don't know where you got this "burden of proof" crap, because all I asked for was your educated guess. I posted a link to statistics that showed gay men are 50 times more likely for HIV and it's at an all-time high, so the issue with gay sex has been well demonstrated. You immediately cried "Ludicrous" at my hypothesis that it was from gays homing out of the closet. In response, I would like your guess as to a better explanation.
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Ok so you are not claiming that greater societal acceptable of homosexuality has led to an increase in homosexual sex and and an increase in the number of HIV cases. You are making an unsubstantiated hypothesis,
which to all intents and purposes is the same thing.

Fair enough. My hypothesis is that the number of HIV cases among homosexual men has increased because there is now a large population of gay men with HIV so that the probability that a gay man may have sex with someone with HIV is higher than it was 10 or 20 years ago.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Let's stick to the topic as well. HIV is not the topic here.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
Moderator's Warning:
Let's stick to the topic as well. HIV is not the topic here.
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Mr. Moderator,
The topic is why you support (or oppose, since that was an answer) gay marriage. I have made it clear that I oppose, partly based on the general message that it sends of there being nothing wrong with homosexuality. To defend this opinion, I am simply drawing attention to a medical issue which is significantly increased by such behavior. What's the problem?
 
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