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Time Selects Obama as 2012 Person of the Year

Should Obama Be Time's Person of the Year For 2012?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 35.4%

  • No

    Votes: 26 54.2%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 5 10.4%
  • Total voters
    48
Bodhisattva said:
It is not about what it was until 1979... it is about what people percieve the award as being NOW.
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The criteria haven't changed, just media-driven interpretations of what it means. In 1979, and again in 2001, Time effed up in bowing to media pressure to change, or rather disregard, its criteria for PR reasons. I think that was what discredited the POTY, not in giving it to highly influential people who were unpopular or even downright malign.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Were you watching the same TV the rest of us were? With the exception of fox news, the entire mainstream media has been sucking his d*** for the past 5 years.
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The entire mainstream media includes talk radio, the press, syndication agencies and the internet none of which are unanimously pro-Obama.
 
Andalublue said:
The criteria haven't changed, just media-driven interpretations of what it means. In 1979, and again in 2001, Time effed up in bowing to media pressure to change, or rather disregard, its criteria for PR reasons. I think that was what discredited the POTY, not in giving it to highly influential people who were unpopular or even downright malign.
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Irrelevant. It is what PEOPLE think that it means...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Irrelevant. It is what PEOPLE think that it means...
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Have you got polling evidence that tells us what 'people' think it means? Or are you assuming that they think it means what the media tells us they think it means? Time seem quite clear, it's the commentators and the easy outrage bunch that seem bent out of shape.
 
Andalublue said:
Have you got polling evidence that tells us what 'people' think it means? Or are you assuming that they think it means what the media tells us they think it means? Time seem quite clear, it's the commentators and the easy outrage bunch that seem bent out of shape.
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My Polls are of the every day people that I hear being exalted as wonderful. Stalin must have sucked some serious liberal dick at Time to get that award. Bunch of bitch's.
 
Andalublue said:
The entire mainstream media includes talk radio, the press, syndication agencies and the internet none of which are unanimously pro-Obama.
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The large majority are absolutely pro-Obama. I'm not sure what you're watching in Spain.
 
MMC said:
The Person of the Year, instituted in 1927, is "bestowed by the editors on the person or persons who most affected the news and our lives, for good or ill, and embodied what was important about the year." Obama was chosen as the 2008 Person of the Year following his historic election.....snip~

Time selects Obama as 2012 Person of the Year | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

With all this Leading From Behind and avoiding issues. One can see just how Bias Time's Editor has become. Myself I think they Should have gave it to the Pakistani Girl who Got Shot in her Face For Trying to Learn.
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Agreed, Malala Yousufzai would have been a good pick. Nothing against President Obama, but what's he done in 2012 that merited Time's POTY?

Pakistani girl shot by Taliban leaves British hospital | Reuters
 
Nordenkalt444 said:
I'm aware of everything that President Obama accomplished, but I'm not sure if its too soon to congratulate him. Will he solve the fiscal cliff? If and when that goes well, I would congratulate him.
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Please share two or three accomplishments which you think contribute to President Obama's deserving the title.

As for solving the fiscal cliff problem, that's mostly up to Congress. Signing a bill isn't much of an accomplishment. If President Obama gave the equivalent of an ""Ich bin ein Berliner" or "a shining city on a hill" speech which clearly motivated our nation and influenced Congress regarding the fiscal cliff, then I'd readily agree he influenced the process. So far, I've seen and heard little from him on the matter.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The large majority are absolutely pro-Obama. I'm not sure what you're watching in Spain.
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Talk radio majority pro-Obama? You're joking. All the top-rated talk show hosts endorsed Romney: Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Beck, Ingraham.

The Press endorsing Obama by a 'large majority'? I don't think so. Press endorsements were fairly evenly split.

Much as it may serve the right-wing narrative to claim that 'mainstream' only applies to free-to-air TV that doesn't share their politics, it's a much bigger concept than that and, frankly, Fox and News Corporation are the very definition of 'mainstream' media.
 
Andalublue said:
Talk radio majority pro-Obama? You're joking. All the top-rated talk show hosts endorsed Romney: Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Beck, Ingraham.

The Press endorsing Obama by a 'large majority'? I don't think so. Press endorsements were fairly evenly split.

Much as it may serve the right-wing narrative to claim that 'mainstream' only applies to free-to-air TV that doesn't share their politics, it's a much bigger concept than that and, frankly, Fox and News Corporation are the very definition of 'mainstream' media.
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Hrm.. I clearly remember saying "with the exception of fox news". Funny thing is, Hannity, Beck, and Ingraham are associated with fox news. You're also going off the assumption that an equal number of people listen to talk radio that watch news on TV.

Even better, the person I was responding to said the media was overwhelming anti-Obama, and that his success in spite of this was why he deserved the MOTY award from Time. That doesn't exactly mix with your "evenly split" theory.
 
Ray410 said:
Time is going down, just like Newsweek.

Nobody really cares who they pick, do they? Once a publication becomes liberal sewage, they always go broke. Where I live, the local Gannett rag has become kind of a recipe book with pictures of good looking girls at parties that are held at bars throughout town.
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You may not care but apparently someone does. I think the choice of President Obama was a great one. What President since FDR has faced greater challenges then President Obama
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Hrm.. I clearly remember saying "with the exception of fox news". Funny thing is, Hannity, Beck, and Ingraham are associated with fox news. You're also going off the assumption that an equal number of people listen to talk radio that watch news on TV.
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No, I'm not. Not all mainstream media outlets have the same sized audiences.

Even better, the person I was responding to said the media was overwhelming anti-Obama, and that his success in spite of this was why he deserved the MOTY award from Time. That doesn't exactly mix with your "evenly split" theory.
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Well, that person is not me, and I'd say that point of view is as inaccurate as yours. I linked to stats that show that the Press endorsements of the two presidential candidates was fairly evenly split. You disagree?

In any case, as I've said several times, Time magazine's POTY is not an accolade like an Oscar or a Nobel. It is judged on influence, it could be good influence or bad influence. It's hardly anything to aspire to. The exertion of social or political influence is neither a sport nor an art and it's not a prize to be 'won'.
 
EarlzP said:
You may not care but apparently someone does. I think the choice of President Obama was a great one. What President since FDR has faced greater challenges then President Obama
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Being influential =/= being successful unless you don't care what the outcome of that influence might be.
 
Rising Sun said:
Please share two or three accomplishments which you think contribute to President Obama's deserving the title.

As for solving the fiscal cliff problem, that's mostly up to Congress. Signing a bill isn't much of an accomplishment. If President Obama gave the equivalent of an ""Ich bin ein Berliner" or "a shining city on a hill" speech which clearly motivated our nation and influenced Congress regarding the fiscal cliff, then I'd readily agree he influenced the process. So far, I've seen and heard little from him on the matter.
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He's not the worst president, as far as the fiscal cliff I'm not congradulating him because it was only a band-aid on a sword wound. Congress will have to negotiate again within 2 months, or the fiscal cliff will cause the default that was expected.
 
Nordenkalt444 said:
He's not the worst president, as far as the fiscal cliff I'm not congradulating him because it was only a band-aid on a sword wound. Congress will have to negotiate again within 2 months, or the fiscal cliff will cause the default that was expected.
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Agreed he isn't the worst. Not by a long shot. He's not that great either. President Obama strikes me as slightly better than average. Certainly not worth POTY.
 
Andalublue said:
Being influential =/= being successful unless you don't care what the outcome of that influence might be.
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What measuring stick do you use to determine what successful is? Here are a few of mine we are not in a depression, our economy is slowly growing, we are out of one war and working towards ending another, we have the affordable health care plan those are just a few of the changes that have occurred under President Obama.
 
EarlzP said:
What measuring stick do you use to determine what successful is? Here are a few of mine we are not in a depression, our economy is slowly growing, we are out of one war and working towards ending another, we have the affordable health care plan those are just a few of the changes that have occurred under President Obama.
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You're missing the point. POTY is about being influential, not successful, good, philanthropic, or creative. Just influential. Receiving it is not an honour.
 
Andalublue said:
You're missing the point. POTY is about being influential, not successful, good, philanthropic, or creative. Just influential. Receiving it is not an honour.
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So in your opinion President Obama has not been influential, you know what they say about opinions? You have yours I have mine and the editors at Times have their opinions
 
EarlzP said:
So in your opinion President Obama has not been influential, you know what they say about opinions? You have yours I have mine and the editors at Times have their opinions
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Not at all. I think he's a reasonable choice for POTY, I can't think what all the fuss is about. It's not like he's being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize again. He's Time magazine's POTY. Big deal. Seems like the anti-Obama lot are still butthurt over November 6th.
 
MMC said:
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Time magazine has named President Barack Obama as its 2012 Person of the Year.

"We are in the midst of historic cultural and demographic changes," Time managing editor Richard Stengel said in announcing its choice. "And Obama is both the symbol and in some ways the architect of this new America."

The president's reelection in November showed "the Obama effect was not ephemeral anymore, no longer reducible to what had once been mocked as that 'hopey-changey stuff,'" Time's Michael Scherer wrote in the accompanying cover story. "It could be measured in wars stopped and started; industries saved, restructured or reregulated; tax cuts extended; debt levels inflated; terrorists killed; the health-insurance system reimagined; and gay service members who could walk in uniform with their partners. It could be seen in the new faces who waited hours to vote and in the new ways campaigns are run. America debated and decided this year: history would not record Obama’s presidency as a fluke."

The cover features a silver border--just the fourth time in Time's 89-year-history the magazine was published without its trademark red. Time.com also published a slideshow featuring "never-before-seen images of the Obama presidency" from Election Night to Newtown.

Earlier this month, the magazine's online readers voted for North Korean leader Kim Jong Un as their choice for Person of the Year in what Time called a "completely unscientific" poll.

The Person of the Year, instituted in 1927, is "bestowed by the editors on the person or persons who most affected the news and our lives, for good or ill, and embodied what was important about the year." Obama was chosen as the 2008 Person of the Year following his historic election.....snip~

Time selects Obama as 2012 Person of the Year | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

With all this Leading From Behind and avoiding issues. One can see just how Bias Time's Editor has become. Myself I think they Should have gave it to the Pakistani Girl who Got Shot in her Face For Trying to Learn.
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I'm just glad that they are actually picking a person, rather than an occupation or people in general.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Like that prize is relevant! :lol:
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It seems like some people just want to trivialize any thing this great leader "President Obama" does. I wonder why?
 
What if I like my old one and not a new one
 
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