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Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

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TurtleDude said:
Vote now-I am hearing lots of lefties blaming the NRA rather than the killers
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The thing with simplistic answer are that they are usually wrong. The right answer isn't really in your list, so I went with the closest, society in general. We don't properly address mental illness, we have a love affair with violence and guns, we avoid difficult conversations by trying to create an us versus them relationship, and we've done this with nearly every issue, leaving the those most in need of help without it.
 
Misterveritis said:
I seldom use my tablespoons. I mostly use teaspoons. So, I have been considering turning all of them into awesome weapons.
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I've got a buddy in jail who can give you all kinds of pointers.:lol:
 
TurtleDude said:
there is a difference between broadcasting it and spending hours and hours and hours on it. I tuned into a black urban station today and though most of the comments were the usual leftwing psychobabble I expected, one guy noted that in Chicago, 30-40 black youth get killed each month in shootings and barely merit a blurb on the 12 page of the paper
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thank you for making my case, squire

that absence of more than mere blurbs in the media certainly did not quell the ongoing violence, did it

when the facts are with you argue the facts
when the law is with you, argue the law
when neither the facts nor the law are with you, bang on the table


i hear you banging
 
The shooters. Even if there is an underlying problem, or the shooter is reacting emotionally to a stressor, nobody forces the shooter to act.
 
TurtleDude said:
Vote now-I am hearing lots of lefties blaming the NRA rather than the killers
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I put most of the blame on the shooters.The rest of the blame is on gun free zones for disarming law abiding citizens and the media who keeps providing incentive for pathetic losers by making instant celebs out them for shooting unarmed innocent people.
 
TurtleDude said:
wasn't that part of Don't come round here no more (Tom Petty Video)?
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I don't remember it being. But it was from Chronicles of Riddick, on Cremetoria, when the guys attack kyra.

While not particularly accurate or probable, it was entertaining, but it is a clear illustration of a mind being the only true weapon. No matter what is available, a mind intent on killing will find a way.
 
A combination of the shooter, the media, society in general, and the NRA.
Vast majority being the shooter him own selfs fault.
 
TurtleDude said:
I own lots of guns-maybe 10 were purchased for self defense-none for offensive uses against humans

I have 5 for "bowling pin matches"

three for PPC (practical police competition-revolvers)

three for "Falling PLATE matches (Steel plates)

2 open, 2 limited, 2 limited ten and 2 production IPSC pistols

2 For ISU skeet
2 for ISU trap
2 for American Skeet
2 for American trap

6 for sporting clays

2 for "Three position small bore rifle
2 for National service rifle matches

2 for small bore bullseye pistol
2 for Center fire bullseye pistol (2700)
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Wow! That sure is a lot of guns. :shock: You must need a separate ROOM for all of those. Lol!
 
ChrisL said:
Wow! That sure is a lot of guns. :shock: You must need a separate ROOM for all of those. Lol!
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Such is the cost of competitive shooting. I was never good enough to even consider it. I also could never afford the grade of weapons and the cost of practice to get that good (assuming I ever could). I wouldn't mind doing it, but unless I win the lottery, I can not afford it.

Just like the game of golf, it is an expensive hobby. I never spent the money for proper equipment for golf, back when I could, to find out just how much I might like it. I at least have a few guns and know I like shooting. But, heck, I am happy if all shots stay on the paper and ecstatic if they all stay in the black, to hell with actually setting a pattern (I generally do not use human outline targets, just the square ones with a round center).
 
DVSentinel said:
Such is the cost of competitive shooting. I was never good enough to even consider it. I also could never afford the grade of weapons and the cost of practice to get that good (assuming I ever could). I wouldn't mind doing it, but unless I win the lottery, I can not afford it.

Just like the game of golf, it is an expensive hobby. I never spent the money for proper equipment for golf, back when I could, to find out just how much I might like it. I at least have a few guns and know I like shooting. But, heck, I am happy if all shots stay on the paper and ecstatic if they all stay in the black, to hell with actually setting a pattern (I generally do not use human outline targets, just the square ones with a round center).
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Just regular plain old target shooting by yourself or with friends is fun too. :mrgreen:
 
CriticalThought said:
A gun is a weapon. It is, by its very nature, an instrument of violence. If you want one, then you want if for its capacity to inflict violence. Whether it is for hunting or defense, you own it for its ability to create violence when needed. It is naive to assume that a person would want a gun for any other reason.
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You're both correct.

When you buy even a small AWB-compliant hand gun strictly for personal defense, you are buying it because you want to have the ability to do violence if the situation calls for it.

That doesn't mean you desire, savor and look forward to doing violence. That only means you want to reserve success in the gravest extreme.
 
spud_meister said:
Violent games and moral degradation. According to lots of righties.
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The problem is, neither the left nor the right want to deal with the actual problem because doing so is going to cost them votes. So you have the religious lunatics on the right whining that it's all about taking religion out of schools and the liberal lunatics on the left whining that it's all about guns.

But sides are lunatics.
 
The interesting part is that the NRA is the only one of the options up there that I can't really see a way of assigning some of the blame to. Everything else listed shares in the blame at least a little.
 
CriticalThought said:
A gun is a weapon. It is, by its very nature, an instrument of violence. If you want one, then you want if for its capacity to inflict violence. Whether it is for hunting or defense, you own it for its ability to create violence when needed. It is naive to assume that a person would want a gun for any other reason.
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I wish there was a "dislike" button or "Vote off debatepolitics" button. I would seriously go out of my way to click that said button for an hour if it meant seeing your demise on this forum.
 
CriticalThought said:
A gun is a weapon. It is, by its very nature, an instrument of violence. If you want one, then you want if for its capacity to inflict violence. Whether it is for hunting or defense, you own it for its ability to create violence when needed. It is naive to assume that a person would want a gun for any other reason.
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Substitute "military force" for "gun" in your post (above) and think about it that way. The idea, in case you missed it, is that without defense you are at the will of any that may choose to make you do their will. If you are the biggest, baddest SOB alive then you have no need to worry unless, of course, someone arrives that wishes to challenge you and they happen to have a gun. We know this hardly ever happens, as the FBI statistics (world history, for the military force version) show us, but just in case, I'll keep mine, thank you.
 
justabubba said:
ronnie raygun
dismantled our nation's mental healthcare system in an effort to save money
and no funds were made available to replace locally what was lost nationally

what did i win?
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Zero Likes?
 
spud_meister said:
Violent games and moral degradation. According to lots of righties.
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Violent games is the subject of another thread. Moral degradation in society, hmm, a topic possibly worth exploring and probably has something to do with a lot of politics in America.
 
I chose the shooter, gun free zones, and the Media coverage (which was out of proportion) as primarily reasonable.

I did not select families since often they are too close to make a determination of their children being "off" though any abuse or neglect would hold some responsibility.

I did not select the mental health system since mental illness developing in children and young adults are not being handled by them in a systematically way so it cannot be blamed for not doing something. With respect to mental health, the government cannot deal with this very well since it is not something that a "one size fits all" standard can be applied to.

The NRA and 2nd Amendment Rights groups are not responsible for the actions of mentally ill individuals.

The 2nd Amendment is no more responsible for the actions of a person who abuses their rights than the 1st Amendment is.

Blaming Society is using a catch-all term to either escape responsibility for not acting or as a term in place Government when some decide "Society" needs to do something.
 
Lightning said:
I wish there was a "dislike" button or "Vote off debatepolitics" button. I would seriously go out of my way to click that said button for an hour if it meant seeing your demise on this forum.
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Awww. I love you too. There is a magic button. It is called the "ignore" button. It is for people you don't like to the extent that you need their posts hidden from your view. I recommend you use it if I bother you so greatly. Of course, I'm giddy with joy when it comes to bothering people who attack me personally rather than attack the logic or evidence of my arguments. If you can't craft an argument to counter my own without resorting to petty insults then clearly you didn't really have a worthy argument to begin with and you are just pissed that you can't disprove my claim.
 
Lightning said:
I wish there was a "dislike" button or "Vote off debatepolitics" button. I would seriously go out of my way to click that said button for an hour if it meant seeing your demise on this forum.
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For a libertarian, you don't seem overly concerned about a little thing called Constitutionally-guaranteed "freedom of speech". :roll:
 
I would definatly have to say society is the main cause of these mass shootings and our loose gun ownership laws is the gas that creates the inferno. Our society has gone in the crapper ever since both parents had to work in order to keep food on the table. The feminist movement has not helped one bit at all, convincing women that they should not try to "work out" issues in a marriage and that men are basically disposable commodities that are nice to have around when something needs to be fixed or a spider killed, but other than that, they are utterly useless and just a nuisance.
 
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