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Gun Control

Would you support more restrictions on guns if they had the potential to save lives?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 39.9%

  • No

    Votes: 74 50.0%

  • Others

    Votes: 15 10.1%
  • Total voters
    148
Catawba said:
I see you subscribe to the Karl Rove method of poll reading. :cool:
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I note that if the average pro gun restrictionist knows as much as you do on the subject, than we are dealing with LIVs almost exclusively
 
TurtleDude said:
But underneath a broad openness to some changes, opinions on specific new restrictions varied sharply in the Gallup poll. Support for requiring background checks at gun shows, a measure proposed by President Barack Obama, is nearly unanimous, with 92 percent favoring the change. A proposed ban on semi-automatic guns, however, earns a much smaller majority of support. Public support for a ban on handguns has continued to drop, reaching a record low this year, with just a quarter in favor.


Hmm, and I bet most of those polled actually think the laws are different at gun shows than other venues in a given state

and I bet less than one out of ten who supports "assault weapon" restrictions couldn't tell you what one is

appealing to ignorance and emotion is the gun control movement's stock in trade
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While you are betting, what are the odds that I can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check?
 
TurtleDude said:
But underneath a broad openness to some changes, opinions on specific new restrictions varied sharply in the Gallup poll. Support for requiring background checks at gun shows, a measure proposed by President Barack Obama, is nearly unanimous, with 92 percent favoring the change. A proposed ban on semi-automatic guns, however, earns a much smaller majority of support. Public support for a ban on handguns has continued to drop, reaching a record low this year, with just a quarter in favor.
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And that would be relevant if anyone was proposing to ban all handguns.
 
Rocketman said:
Do you want me to use the NRA or Fox News? Huffington post? LMFAO!
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years ago the association that represented librarians noted that the NRA's information was among the most trustworthy. HCI (The brady conspiracy against the second amendment) was rated as among the most bogus
 
TurtleDude said:
whenever you get beat on facts you start invoking polls based on the ignorant
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Your continued show of respect for the American people is as always touching. :roll:;) You seem to be unaware that nobody need take a test - particularly one of your design - to have an opinion on public policy.

Americans do not need to know how the mechanics of an automobile operate to have an opinion about what the speed limit should be on their street.
 
Catawba said:
And that would be relevant if anyone was proposing to ban all handguns.
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if you all thought you could accomplish that you would. You have demonstrated you have swallowed the faith based myth that banning some guns stops some crime. Its no great step for you to believe banning more guns will stop more crime

and when your idiotic schemes fail to work, you will claim the only problem was that the scheme does not go far enough. There is nothing you can come up with that I haven't seen from the ARC

when the Clinton Feinswine gun ban did nothing positive, DIFI pissed and moaned that the law was evaded-makers complied with the stupid law by removing folding stocks, etc that made the guns illegal
 
haymarket said:
While you are betting, what are the odds that I can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check?
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just as you can from your friend at his house, your buddy at the gun club, or your "brother" at the Union Hall or another Knight at the Knights of Columbus meeting hall.
 
TurtleDude said:
years ago the association that represented librarians noted that the NRA's information was among the most trustworthy. HCI (The brady conspiracy against the second amendment) was rated as among the most bogus
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Did they post that on the phone booth wall in which they had their annual national convention? ;)
 
haymarket said:
Your continued show of respect for the American people is as always touching. :roll:;) You seem to be unaware that nobody need take a test - particularly one of your design - to have an opinion on public policy.

Americans do not need to know how the mechanics of an automobile operate to have an opinion about what the speed limit should be on their street.
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opinions based on ignorance, stupidity, emotion or dishonesty have no value to me and should have no place in creating public policy
 
TurtleDude said:
if you all thought you could accomplish that you would. You have demonstrated you have swallowed the faith based myth that banning some guns stops some crime. Its no great step for you to believe banning more guns will stop more crime

and when your idiotic schemes fail to work, you will claim the only problem was that the scheme does not go far enough. There is nothing you can come up with that I haven't seen from the ARC

when the Clinton Feinswine gun ban did nothing positive, DIFI pissed and moaned that the law was evaded-makers complied with the stupid law by removing folding stocks, etc that made the guns illegal
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We have seen our local crime become almost non existent since carry/conceal passed. No assault, robberies, just drug stuff now.
 
TurtleDude said:
just as you can from your friend at his house, your buddy at the gun club, or your "brother" at the Union Hall or another Knight at the Knights of Columbus meeting hall.
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Thank you for confirming that anybody in America can walk into a gun show and buy weapons without a background check.
 
TurtleDude said:
opinions based on ignorance, stupidity, emotion or dishonesty have no value to me and should have no place in creating public policy
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Thankfully for America and its people, that type of gross elitism is not part of our system.
 
haymarket said:
Did they post that on the phone booth wall in which they had their annual national convention? ;)
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If you google long enough you might find it. Since I spend a fair amount of time every year (since I was about 16, ie 38 years) reading lots of information on this topic I have seen tons of information. I also, according to tests, have close to a photographic memory (though not controllable like say one of my grandmaster friends) so I recall stuff I may have read 25 years ago as if it was last week

HOwever, anyone who understands guns knows that the anti gun extremists constantly lie about guns

Example, the turd bloomberg on night line. he said "you don't need more than 3 shots to hunt"

the interviewer said-if you use that standard all pistols are going to be banned

then the Turd starts yelling that the proposed bans are about machine guns that shoot 30 bullets with ONE TRIGGER Pull. again the interviewer had to correct him

that sort of lying is not being uttered by the pro gun leaders. Bloomberg is one of the leading anti gun extremist politicians in the USA and he constantly lies
 
haymarket said:
Thankfully for America and its people, that type of gross elitism is not part of our system.
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the Founders realized that many people are ignorant and easily swayed by emotion. that is why we have a constitutional republic not a pure democracy And i find it troubling that some people think mass hysteria should trump lower numbers who have facts and evidence on their side
 
TurtleDude said:
if you all thought you could accomplish that you would. You have demonstrated you have swallowed the faith based myth that banning some guns stops some crime. Its no great step for you to believe banning more guns will stop more crime

and when your idiotic schemes fail to work, you will claim the only problem was that the scheme does not go far enough. There is nothing you can come up with that I haven't seen from the ARC

when the Clinton Feinswine gun ban did nothing positive, DIFI pissed and moaned that the law was evaded-makers complied with the stupid law by removing folding stocks, etc that made the guns illegal
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So you've still got nothing relevant to add.
 
I only got 3 in my clip and one in the chamber of my 30.06 deer rifle. Fortunantly, to date, I have never had to fire twice using that gun. One shot. One kill.

Oh yes....

If it's brown, it's down.

When I field dress the deer, I stick a stick upright right in the middle of the gut pile. The next day, I got a frozen gutcickle! Works sort of like a salt lick but for crows and coyotes.
 
haymarket said:
Thank you for confirming that anybody in America can walk into a gun show and buy weapons without a background check.
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I never said that. In some shows private vendors are not allowed In the ones I attend, private vendors have to engage the services of an FFL to transfer the guns

but congress-you know, the body you constantly claim represents the WILL OF THE PEOPLE did not impose upon private sellers a duty or a MEANS to conduct background check.

the DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE IN 1993 refused to make the BGC apply to anyone BUT FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE HOLDERS

and the reason why is obvious-it would not pass since private citizens, unlike dealers (who have been required to log in every firearm they receive in the course of business since 1968), have no duty to keep a record of what guns they own, its impossible to police private transactions.
 
haymarket said:
Thank you for confirming that anybody in America can walk into a gun show and buy weapons without a background check.
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You probably could have confirmed that at a gun show. You've got nothing to teach anyone here, as usual.
 
Catawba said:
So you've still got nothing relevant to add.
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relevant to you means spewing the emotional anti gun idiocy? I realize facts mean nothing to those who want to ban guns because they hate conservative gun owners or they are so ignorant of the reality of what stops crime that they actually BELIEVE that their silly schemes will deter those who aren't deterred by the thought of being executed or dying
 
TurtleDude said:
relevant to you means spewing the emotional anti gun idiocy? I realize facts mean nothing to those who want to ban guns because they hate conservative gun owners or they are so ignorant of the reality of what stops crime that they actually BELIEVE that their silly schemes will deter those who aren't deterred by the thought of being executed or dying
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But they mean well. :lamo
 
I would think that person-to-person sales, which is as unregulated as unregulated can get, could be done much like transferring titles on a vehicle.

I mean, if you sell a dude your car, you want him to transfer the title immediately so as to relieve you of the responsibility from that car. If Dude has a wreck or gets a buttload of parking tickets and the car is still in your name, they are going to come looking for you.

Same should go for guns I suppose.

I got no problem with that really. What do you guys think about that?
 
American said:
But they mean well. :lamo
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no they don't. some of them look forward to massacres so they can use the deaths to justify their jihad against gun rights. some of them use the massacres to get more face time and get more donations to their disgusting organizations that try to rape the constitution
 
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