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Gun Control

Would you support more restrictions on guns if they had the potential to save lives?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 39.9%

  • No

    Votes: 74 50.0%

  • Others

    Votes: 15 10.1%
  • Total voters
    148
lizzie said:
You can't "work on the guns" effectively, because it's not lawful gunowners who are causing the problems. If anything, we need more sober-minded upstanding citizens to be carrying.
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Lizzie, do you not find it compelling that NO other industrialized nation has the problem with guns, that America has?

Paul
 
lizzie said:
Nor have you made your point that high numbers of guns result in more mass murders, and that there is a direct causal relationship. If higher numbers of guns equaled more gun homocides, then homocide rates at gun shows would be phenomenal. It's not the presence of guns, but the culture and psychological makeup of the individual.
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My point was what the facts show, the more guns per capita, the more homicides with guns per capita. Which disproves the NRA theory that more guns equals less gun deaths. And the numbers are phenomenal! They are higher here than any other wealthy country in the world.
 
Catawba said:
Try looking up the term per capita. We have more gun homicides per capita than do other rich countries with less guns.
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Yet what B-slaps your silly arguments is that our rates are GOING down while the number of privately owned guns and carry licenses GO UP and other countries homicide rates are GOING UP as they restrict guns more and more

lets cut the crap Catawba. Public safety is not what motivates your anti (conservative) gun owner posts. If you really believed in public safety you would be calling for the end of gun free zones and you would advocate more carry permits. Your goal is to punish people for not buying into your far left welfare socialist agenda
 
Catawba said:
5 cases against 62 does not make A case, and those five only met one of the criteria used in the Mother Earth study.

"There is no evidence indicating that arming Americans further will help prevent mass shootings or reduce the carnage, says Dr. Stephen Hargarten, a leading expert on emergency medicine and gun violence at the Medical College of Wisconsin. To the contrary, there appears to be a relationship between the proliferation of firearms and a rise in mass shootings: By our count, there have been two per year on average since 1982. Yet 25 of the 62 cases we examined have occurred since 2006. This year alone there have already been seven mass shootings—and a record number of casualties, with more than 140 people injured and killed.

Armed civilians attempting to intervene are actually more likely to increase the bloodshed, says Hargarten, "given that civilian shooters are less likely to hit their targets than police in these circumstances." A chaotic scene in August at the Empire State Building put this starkly into perspective when New York City police officers confronting a gunman wounded nine innocent bystanders."

More Guns, More Mass Shootings
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that stupid study was destroyed last night because mass shootings where the shooter was slain before he could kill lots of people WERE NOT COUNTED. and the JUSTICE DEPT concluded non LEO civilians are actually less likely to miss than CIVILIAN LEOs!
 
gunner said:
Lizzie, do you not find it compelling that NO other industrialized nation has the problem with guns, that America has?

Paul
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No, I don't find it compelling, as other industrialized nations don't have the same diversity and cultural differences that we have. Over 80% of gun-related violence is committed with illegally owned/obtained weapons. It's not the legal gun owner who is causing the problem.
 
TurtleDude said:
Yet what B-slaps your silly arguments is that our rates are GOING down while the number of privately owned guns and carry licenses GO UP and other countries homicide rates are GOING UP as they restrict guns more and more
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Oh, show me what rich country has now surpassed numbers of gun homicides in the US?
 
Catawba said:
My point was what the facts show, the more guns per capita, the more homicides with guns per capita. Which disproves the NRA theory that more guns equals less gun deaths. And the numbers are phenomenal! They are higher here than any other wealthy country in the world.
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You are still missing the point regarding who is committing crime, and with legal weapons vs illegally obtained ones. Restricting gun ownership will serve to disarm law-abiding citizens, and play into a huge advantage for criminals- something which I am wholly opposed to doing.
 
TurtleDude said:
that stupid study was destroyed last night because mass shootings where the shooter was slain before he could kill lots of people WERE NOT COUNTED. and the JUSTICE DEPT concluded non LEO civilians are actually less likely to miss than CIVILIAN LEOs!
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Let's see how your numbers compare to the 30,000 deaths each year resulting from gunshots?
 
Catawba said:
Oh, show me what rich country has now surpassed numbers of gun homicides in the US?
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Why do you dishonestly fixate on that? Russia is a rich country and so is South Africa

the issue is that in other countries-gun bans increase as does crime

so your wet dream for a jihad against my rights only makes us less safe
 
Catawba said:
Let's see how your numbers compare to the 30,000 deaths each year resulting from gunshots?
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MORE LIES-the number of illegal homicides involving guns is about 10,000. SUICIDES are not at issue nor are justifiable shootings

stop the dishonesty
 
lizzie said:
You are still missing the point regarding who is committing crime, and with legal weapons vs illegally obtained ones. Restricting gun ownership will serve to disarm law-abiding citizens, and play into a huge advantage for criminals- something which I am wholly opposed to doing.
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Law abiding citizens have no use for assault weapons and high capacity magazines. They are illegal in your country, are they not?
 
Catawba said:
Law abiding citizens have no use for assault weapons and high capacity magazines. They are illegal in your country, are they not?
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MOre stupidity. IF CIVILIAN POLICE OFFICERS have them that makes them equally suitable for OTHER Civilians for the SAME REASON COPS HAVE THEM-SELF DEFENSE AGAINST CRIMINALS

and if we ban 20 round magazines, next week you will be demanding a ban of 10 round magazines

17 shot pistol and 30 shot rifle magazines ARE STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINES
 
TurtleDude said:
Why do you dishonestly fixate on that? Russia is a rich country and so is South Africa

the issue is that in other countries-gun bans increase as does crime

so your wet dream for a jihad against my rights only makes us less safe
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You have no need for a gun that you have maintained for years only has cosmetic differences. So, you cannot legitimately claim hardship now.
 
TurtleDude said:
MORE LIES-the number of illegal homicides involving guns is about 10,000. SUICIDES are not at issue nor are justifiable shootings

stop the dishonesty
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Try reading the post again. I said 30,000 deaths resulting from gunshots.
 
Obama and the loons want all rape victims unable to defend themselves.

The liberals want the type of American men that will take guns away from their wives, their daughters, even their mothers and hand them to the government.

That is liberalism.
 
TurtleDude said:
MOre stupidity. IF CIVILIAN POLICE OFFICERS have them that makes them equally suitable for OTHER Civilians for the SAME REASON COPS HAVE THEM-SELF DEFENSE AGAINST CRIMINALS

and if we ban 20 round magazines, next week you will be demanding a ban of 10 round magazines

17 shot pistol and 30 shot rifle magazines ARE STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINES
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You are not a cop.
 
Ray410 said:
Obama and the loons want all rape victims unable to defend themselves.

The liberals want the type of American men that will take guns away from their wives, their daughters, even their mothers and hand them to the government.

That is liberalism.
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You need an assault weapon to defend your woman?
 
Ray410 said:
You're not an American man, are you?
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Are you trying to say an American can only defend his woman from a rapist if he has an assault weapon on him? You have a very low opinion of American's Sir!
 
Catawba said:
Are you trying to say an American can only defend his woman from a rapist if he has an assault weapon on him? You have a very low opinion of American's Sir!
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Here in the United States, many Conservative women carry guns and defend themselves. Is that OK with you?
 
Catawba said:
Law abiding citizens have no use for assault weapons and high capacity magazines. They are illegal in your country, are they not?
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That has no relationship to the discussion. The problem is illegally obtained and owned weapons. It doesn't matter what the law-abiding own. I could own a full auto machine gun, and you would not be in any more danger than you are right now, nor would anyone else. I'm not criminally-minded.
 
lizzie said:
That has no relationship to the discussion. The problem is illegally obtained and owned weapons. It doesn't matter what the law-abiding own. I could own a full auto machine gun, and you would not be in any more danger than you are right now, nor would anyone else. I'm not criminally-minded.
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The hell it doesn't those are the guns and mags being considered for a ban. The absence of which creates no hardship for responsible gun owners. Doesn't your own country ban these weapons and mags?
 
Ray410 said:
Here in the United States, many Conservative women carry guns and defend themselves. Is that OK with you?
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Sorry, I don't see women walking around with assault weapons to defend themselves. You must live in a different neighborhood than I do.
 
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