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Gun Control

Would you support more restrictions on guns if they had the potential to save lives?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 39.9%
  • No

    Votes: 74 50.0%
  • Others

    Votes: 15 10.1%

  • Total voters
    148
There's no criminal gain. By definition there has to be a mental issue. Sorry.


as someone who spent years as a prosecuting attorney I reject that idiocy as not based on our laws many crimes do not result in gain. vandalism for example.
 
Boo tends to engage in evasive snarky posts that boil down to a common theme-he thinks people who want to own guns for self defense are less intelligent and less civilized than he is and he wants the government to hassle them

I'm starting to believe that because I know he isn't stupid, and just look at what happened when they tried to ban alcohol. These types of restrictions and bans only benefit street gangs, criminals and murderers. Then the criminal element would be WELL aware that the majority of the law-abiding public would be unarmed and defenseless, and most criminals take advantage of opportunity.
 
I'm starting to believe that because I know he isn't stupid, and just look at what happened when they tried to ban alcohol. These types of restrictions and bans only benefit street gangs, criminals and murderers. Then the criminal element would be WELL aware that the majority of the law-abiding public would be unarmed and defenseless, and most criminals take advantage of opportunity.


90% of the most active anti gun posters on this board are motivated by a desire to hassle, harass or actually oppress people who don't buy into their far left agenda
 
Boo tends to engage in evasive snarky posts that boil down to a common theme-he thinks people who want to own guns for self defense are less intelligent and less civilized than he is and he wants the government to hassle them

Well, at least be honest. I never said anything about intelligence or being civilized. I merely noted that there really is the need some of you envision.
 
There is no out right ban on guns even suggested. So I don't know where that came from. We're speaking go automatic weapons and an increase of back market activity by stupid and mentally I'll people. I was speaking in the content of our conversation.

Bans, restrictions, limitations. It doesn't matter. It won't stop BAD people from getting guns. Only GOOD people won't break the law. Criminals are criminals because they break laws. Therefore, your proposal of more laws and restrictions are useless in the bigger scheme of things. You are looking at this situation much too simplistically.
 
I have already posted one thread in regards to the mass shootings, trying to bring together ideas on the most effective way to slow gun related violence and try to eliminate these mass shootings.

This poll is more black and white because I am simply wondering would you be in favor of more gun control if it had the potential to reduce violence.

Those who wail and scream and cry for more gun control do so in spite of common sense (which obviously eludes them due to the passionate nature of the current school shootings).

Common sense tells us that bad guys are ALWAYS going to try to act out their own personal demons by inficting violence on innocent people. They will use the most deadly implement they can find. Guns will ALWAYS be found by bad guys even if guns were completely prohibited by law.

Most mass shooters killed themselves (and stopped killing innocent victims) when confronted by armed good guys.

Armed guards or trained school personnel with guns ARE the answer to reducing school shootings.

Period.
 
I'm starting to believe that because I know he isn't stupid, and just look at what happened when they tried to ban alcohol. These types of restrictions and bans only benefit street gangs, criminals and murderers. Then the criminal element would be WELL aware that the majority of the law-abiding public would be unarmed and defenseless, and most criminals take advantage of opportunity.
Again, there s no proposed ban on all weapons. None. Nor would I support that.
 
Bans, restrictions, limitations. It doesn't matter. It won't stop BAD people from getting guns. Only GOOD people won't break the law. Criminals are criminals because they break laws. Therefore, your proposal of more laws and restrictions are useless in the bigger scheme of things. You are looking at this situation much too simplistically.

It does matter. There is a difference. Fewer stupid people break such laws because they can't figure it out ;) , and e tally don't usually work hat way, so there will likely be a limiting factor.
 
as someone who spent years as a prosecuting attorney I reject that idiocy as not based on our laws many crimes do not result in gain. vandalism for example.

There is gain in vandalism, one of excitement and expression, even if it is just anger. But when you kill children and yourself, with no effort to "get away with it," there is something beyond criminal.
 
It does matter. There is a difference. Fewer stupid people break such laws because they can't figure it out ;) , and e tally don't usually work hat way, so there will likely be a limiting factor.

I would think it would work the opposite way. More stupid people break laws because they don't know any better or because they just don't care. :shrug:
 
90% of the most active anti gun posters on this board are motivated by a desire to hassle, harass or actually oppress people who don't buy into their far left agenda

And those 'statistical figures' are backed up by.............. by ............. by what exactly?
 
I would think it would work the opposite way. More stupid people break laws because they don't know any better or because they just don't care. :shrug:

They break stupid laws. Not black market laws here stupidity might get hem killed.
 
Bans, restrictions, limitations. It doesn't matter. It won't stop BAD people from getting guns. Only GOOD people won't break the law. Criminals are criminals because they break laws. Therefore, your proposal of more laws and restrictions are useless in the bigger scheme of things. You are looking at this situation much too simplistically.

I think you are making a mistake, you think he actually wants to stop accidents, crimes or "the mentally ill" from hurting people

his goal is to harass people he looks down up as benighted because they think having guns for self defense is proper
 
There is gain in vandalism, one of excitement and expression, even if it is just anger. But when you kill children and yourself, with no effort to "get away with it," there is something beyond criminal.

That is true, and I still don't understand how you think restrictions would solve that issue. If you don't care about life, then you certainly are not going to let some laws stop you. I don't see any logic here at all. It seems more like a knee-jerk reaction to the latest tragedy than something you've actually thought about and considered carefully.
 
And those 'statistical figures' are backed up by.............. by ............. by what exactly?

I merely read their posts, its obvious. especially when they continue to make blatant mistakes about the subject matter or make idiotic claims such as "automatic weapons" etc

I find it amazing that almost every person who wants to restrict OUR rights labels themselves as "progressive" very liberal or has demonstrated that they are one or the other.
 
That is true, and I still don't understand how you think restrictions would solve that issue. If you don't care about life, then you certainly are not going to let some laws stop you. I don't see any logic here at all. It seems more like a knee-jerk reaction to the latest tragedy than something you've actually thought about and considered carefully.


Oh I think he has thought about it carefully-but not as to controlling crime but as to hassling gun owners
 
There's no criminal gain. By definition there has to be a mental issue. Sorry.
I cannot believe that the Turtle is an attorney...
Of course, a good percentage of these mass-murderers were never "criminals" before the act. In this case (Newtown) the "villain, IMO, was the slain mother......and society....and the law....
Now, we must stand up to the NRA and their lackeys(conservatives law-makers).
There must be laws preventing the sale of assault weapons to regular civilians, and there must be 100% background checks....No one, who is not 100% sane and stable , should be allowed to own a gun....
How many more must die until our Congresses act..??
 
That is true, and I still don't understand how you think restrictions would solve that issue. If you don't care about life, then you certainly are not going to let some laws stop you. I don't see any logic here at all. It seems more like a knee-jerk reaction to the latest tragedy than something you've actually thought about and considered carefully.

It's rarely a planned thing. Not something go to he black market for. Often they use the weapons of opportunity, hose available. There are no absolutes, which is why I say limit and prevent.
 
I merely read their posts, its obvious. especially when they continue to make blatant mistakes about the subject matter or make idiotic claims such as "automatic weapons" etc

I find it amazing that almost every person who wants to restrict OUR rights labels themselves as "progressive" very liberal or has demonstrated that they are one or the other.

You got nothing to produce that 90% figure. Thank you for confirming you just pulled it out of thin air.
 
I cannot believe that the Turtle is an attorney...
Of course, a good percentage of these mass-murderers were never "criminals" before the act. In this case (Newtown) the "villain, IMO, was the slain mother......and society....and the law....
Now, we must stand up to the NRA and their lackeys(conservatives law-makers).
There must be laws preventing the sale of assault weapons to regular civilians, and there must be 100% background checks....No one, who is not 100% sane and stable , should be allowed to own a gun....
How many more must die until our Congresses act..??

I didn't think the posts from the anti gun extremists could get even more idiotic

I was wrong.

the shooter was a criminal when he picked up the gun intending to kill his mother


see you hate the NRA more than criminals which proves my point about your motivations

how is a ban going to stop those who ignore capital murder charges?

you want to hassle NRA members
 
I think you are making a mistake, you think he actually wants to stop accidents, crimes or "the mentally ill" from hurting people

his goal is to harass people he looks down up as benighted because they think having guns for self defense is proper

I honestly can't say why he wants to put restrictions on law-abiding citizens rights, who do not commit crimes with their weapons. I think we need to exercise more diligence in keeping track of guns and punishing those criminals who do violate gun laws. I also do like the armed guards (or police, whatever) in schools. That would go SO much further in protecting the children IMO.
 
You got nothing to produce that 90% figure. Thank you for confirming you just pulled it out of thin air.


I was being generous. its closer to 100%
 
You got nothing to produce that 90% figure. Thank you for confirming you just pulled it out of thin air.

Why are you nitpicking about unimportant things. Discuss the topic please instead of going off on a tangent.
 
That doesn't even make any sense though.

It does in my head. ;)

Example: you don't know my brother, but he's a idiot. Buys a gun, doesn't know it's loaded and plays with it around the house. Shoots through the closet into he next door apartment. Luckily he doesn't hit anyone. Still, idiot. Go the gun legally, but he would never even try black market. Not in him. Many idiots are that way. Again, one extra step limits.
 
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