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What is an assault rifle?

What is an assault rifle?

  • Any semi-automatic rifle (fires one shot every time the trigger is pulled)

    Votes: 7 12.5%

  • A semi-automatic rifle with two or more of the features in the Brady bill.(see OP post)

    Votes: 7 12.5%

  • A rifle that will keep firing bullets as long as you hold down the trigger.

    Votes: 36 64.3%

  • A rifle that will fire 3 bullet every time you squeeze the trigger.

    Votes: 20 35.7%

  • I do not know.

    Votes: 11 19.6%
  • Total voters
    56
Bodhisattva said:
Not really. I agree with him. Who cares what an "assault rifle" is? Automatic. Semi-Auto. Machine gun. ??? Who cares but people that like guns? And their purpose IS to kill people. Just facts.
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what was the purpose of the mauser 98?
 
Surtr said:
An assault rifle is magazine fed, semi-automatic, hand-held, shoulder-fired rifle with a short cartridge. Commonly gas-operated, air-cooled, featuring burst or automatic fire to facilitate mobilized combat. The first assault rifle (arguably) was the STG-44, manufactured by Germany towards the end of the Second World War. All future assault rifles followed suit with their own improvements to facilitate the needs and tactics of the manufacturing nation's military forces.

An assault rifle is simply a modern combat rifle, made specifically for warfare.
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I don't think most people agree with "short cartridge." A .223 isn't short for its diameter.
 
joko104 said:
I don't think most people agree with "short cartridge." A .223 isn't short for its diameter.
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its an intermediate cartridge compared to the big battle rifle shells of WWII-8mm, 303, and 30-06 and later the 762 nato
 
I always find it interesting when someone declares "the only purpose of (this or that) gun is to kill people."

Well, yeah! That's what most guns are meant to be able to do. I don't think anyone has ever gone hunting with a .25 or .32 saturday night special.
 
joko104 said:
I always find it interesting when someone declares "the only purpose of (this or that) gun is to kill people."

Well, yeah! That's what most guns are meant to be able to do. I don't think anyone has ever gone hunting with a .25 or .32 saturday night special.
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the most popular target rifles in the USA are "service rifles"

most hunting rifles are based on the Mauser 98-Germany's standard weapon in both WWs

its an idiotic claim-the purpose of the rifle is to accurately place a bullet on a target
 
joko104 said:
I always find it interesting when someone declares "the only purpose of (this or that) gun is to kill people."

Well, yeah! That's what most guns are meant to be able to do. I don't think anyone has ever gone hunting with a .25 or .32 saturday night special.
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Yea they have. They went hunting two legged game.
 
TurtleDude said:
what was the purpose of the mauser 98?
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No idea what it was since I didn't care so I had to look it up. A gun designed by Germans for use in WWII. Kill people.
 
joko104 said:
I always find it interesting when someone declares "the only purpose of (this or that) gun is to kill people."

Well, yeah! That's what most guns are meant to be able to do. I don't think anyone has ever gone hunting with a .25 or .32 saturday night special.
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They can be used for hunting too... but the purpose remains the same, to kill.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No idea what it was since I didn't care so I had to look it up. A gun designed by Germans for use in WWII. Kill people.
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but right now many target and hunting guns are based on it.

are you less dead if someone shoots you with a BT-99 trap shotgun versus a Mossberg 500 police shotgun

how about rifles-Carlos hathcock-legendary Marine Sniper won the national rifle target championship with a target grade winchester model 70 with a Unertl scope. he used that same rifle that he won the 1000 yard target title with to kill scores of NVA and perhaps chinese soldiers
 
joko104 said:
I don't think most people agree with "short cartridge." A .223 isn't short for its diameter.
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The .223 Remington was developed in 1964 by request of the US Military because they were looking to replace the .308 (7.62x54) with a lighter high velocity round. It became commercially available after rejection by the Military, but is a short cartridge made specifically for use in the XM16E1, which officially became the M-16A1 in 1967.
 
Surtr said:
The .223 Remington was developed in 1964 by request of the US Military because they were looking to replace the .308 (7.62x54) with a lighter high velocity round. It became commercially available after rejection by the Military, but is a short cartridge made specifically for use in the XM16E1, which officially became the M-16A1 in 1967.
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its perfectly safe to shoot a .223 rem in a 5.56MM chamber but not the other way around
 
TurtleDude said:
but right now many target and hunting guns are based on it.

are you less dead if someone shoots you with a BT-99 trap shotgun versus a Mossberg 500 police shotgun

how about rifles-Carlos hathcock-legendary Marine Sniper won the national rifle target championship with a target grade winchester model 70 with a Unertl scope. he used that same rifle that he won the 1000 yard target title with to kill scores of NVA and perhaps chinese soldiers
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Dude, first of all you are wasting your time throwing out all these models and gun names. I have no idea what they are nor do I care. Just being honest.

Secondly... initially guns were designed to kill. They were not designed for sport. I am only commenting on the comment that it is supid to say that guns were designed to kill people. Most things that we have were designed out of or for war.

Radar? Designed to "see" the other guy so you could go kill him.
Subs? Designed to sneak in to kill...
Internet? Designed between the DOD and Stanford (if I remember correctly)
Atomic Energy? We know the answer to that one.
Jets? Rockets? Kevlar?

Much of the optical sensors that we take for granted? IR. Detectors. Etc. Designed to help kill.
 
TurtleDude said:
the most popular target rifles in the USA are "service rifles"

most hunting rifles are based on the Mauser 98-Germany's standard weapon in both WWs

its an idiotic claim-the purpose of the rifle is to accurately place a bullet on a target
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winner winner chicken dinner.

I was going to say the purpose of a the mechanical device we call "firearm" is to propel a small projectile downrange accurately.

the "killing people" or even " killing animals".. or ,hell just plain old " killing"... is the intent of the operator, not the purpose of the firearm.

each and every one of my firearms had fulfilled their purpose tens of thousands of times.... yet not one of them has killed a person.
killing a person has yet to be a purpose I set my firearm out to fulfill.

more than anything else, my intent.. and therefore the purpose of my firearm... is too put lil holes in paper at different known distances.

obviously i'm exempting firearms I carried in the Corps... but even those were used primarily to punch holes in paper... and the occasional Commie.
occasionally, my firearms are used to kill.....animals....tasty tasty animals.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Dude, first of all you are wasting your time throwing out all these models and gun names. I have no idea what they are nor do I care. Just being honest.

Secondly... initially guns were designed to kill. They were not designed for sport. I am only commenting on the comment that it is supid to say that guns were designed to kill people. Most things that we have were designed out of or for war.

Radar? Designed to "see" the other guy so you could go kill him.
Subs? Designed to sneak in to kill...
Internet? Designed between the DOD and Stanford (if I remember correctly)
Atomic Energy? We know the answer to that one.
Jets? Rockets? Kevlar?

Much of the optical sensors that we take for granted? IR. Detectors. Etc. Designed to help kill.
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I am doing my best to find a point in your argument and I cannot

knives were originally designed to kill as well
 
Thrilla said:
winner winner chicken dinner.

I was going to say the purpose of a the mechanical device we call "firearm" is to propel a small projectile downrange accurately.

the "killing people" or even " killing animals".. or ,hell just plain old " killing"... is the intent of the operator, not the purpose of the firearm.

each and every one of my firearms had fulfilled their purpose tens of thousands of times.... yet not one of them has killed a person.
killing a person has yet to be a purpose I set my firearm out to fulfill.

more than anything else, my intent.. and therefore the purpose of my firearm... is too put lil holes in paper at different known distances.

obviously i'm exempting firearms I carried in the Corps... but even those were used primarily to punch holes in paper... and the occasional Commie.
occasionally, my firearms are used to kill.....animals....tasty tasty animals.
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You are obfuscating intent... that's all.

The gun is designed to kill. Paint ball guns can put something on a paper target. Just because guns can be used for a variety of other things does not negate the FACT that guns were designed, and still are designed, to kill. I know a guy that makes his kids hold an M-16 at arms length for punishment. Doesn't mean that the gun is not designed to kill.

I think it is disingenuous AT BEST to even deny this. Who the **** cares? It is a simple fact. I think denying this only makes people look foolish.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am doing my best to find a point in your argument and I cannot

knives were originally designed to kill as well
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My argument is to counter the argument (was it yours? Can't remember) that guns are not designed to kill. That their purpose is not to kill. That's all.
 
Bodhisattva said:
My argument is to counter the argument (was it yours? Can't remember) that guns are not designed to kill. That their purpose is not to kill. That's all.
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their purpose is to put whatever round they are loaded with onto the target designated by their user
 
Bodhisattva said:
You are obfuscating intent... that's all.

The gun is designed to kill. Paint ball guns can put something on a paper target. Just because guns can be used for a variety of other things does not negate the FACT that guns were designed, and still are designed, to kill. I know a guy that makes his kids hold an M-16 at arms length for punishment. Doesn't mean that the gun is not designed to kill.

I think it is disingenuous AT BEST to even deny this. Who the **** cares? It is a simple fact. I think denying this only makes people look foolish.
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are you trying to tell me that all of my firearms are defective?

putting rounds downrange into human targets is certainly one utilization of firearms, no one disputes that.... but it's not even close to being the most widely used utilization ( punching holes in paper is)
killing people is simply not the sole purpose of firearms... it's astronomically stupid to even argue that it is.

hell , I have an old 1851 Navy revolver whose sole purpose is to look good on my wall...I have a .243 winchester whose sole purpose is to kill deer.

I determine the purpose of my tools..the shooter..... they do not come with a predetermined purpose.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
By what authority? Does everyone accept their definition?
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Not "everybody" has to accept the definition, only people with some kind of credentials on the subject. If a lawmaker doesn't know the difference between a carbine and a hunting rifle or rates of fire what they call a firearm is worthless. On the other hand, when the military determines a weapons characteristics or when people knowledgeable in the use of firearms do so it stands. See how that works, it's kind of like when a biologist names a newly discovered species of animal versus the guy working at Taco Bell.
 
Most people would look at an out of the box Bushmaster .223 and see a hunting rifle many own and use to hunt mid sized game (deer). Add a rail system with a front pistol grip, replace the scope with a red dot optic site and voila...you have an 'assault rifle'. From an ordinance perspective there is ZERO difference. Fires the same rounds, carries the same magazines. The hunting rifle version, anti-gun people would quickly say oh no...we don't want to target those...those are OK. We want to target the ASSUALT RIFLE.

Its the same weapon with a few gadgets. No more lethal, no more or less valuable as a hunting rifle.
 
joko104 said:
Many hunters carry a handgun and may shoot at game as a novelty, but few actually hunt with a handgun.
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Depends on what is meant by "with a handgun".

Quite a few hunters I know do carry a handgun when they hunt, mostly for giving a badly wounded animal a quick end. If you have run down a deer or bear after a lung shot with a 30-06, a .45 into the brain pan is a much more humane way to let them go then waiting for them to bleed out, or shooting them several more times with a high power rifle round. This is especially common among bow hunters and black powder hunters I know.

However, other then varmint hunters, very few actually use the pistol as their primary shooting weapon.

So while it is true that they "hunt with a hand gun", it is more along the lines of they "drive with a spare tire". This is really the type of phrase that English can make it hard to understand the exact meaning. They "hunt with a hand gun", as in "have a handgun with them when they go hunting". Not "they go out and use a handgun to bring down their prey".
 
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