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Now that Rice is out of the picture... Kerry?

Do you support John Kerry for Secretary of State?


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No, it should not be "socialist". I just go based on partisan lines.

Please explain.


Ownership and regulation(which we don't have a whole lot of in this country, relatively) are vastly different.

How? As I stated, with enough regulation and taxes, the end result looks the same.



Now I don't know the specifics of ACA, but I'm fairly certain it does not set limits on corporate profits.

Effective January 1, 2011

Insurers must spend 80% (for individual or small group insurers) or 85% (for large group insurers) of premium dollars on health costs and claims, leaving only 20% or 15% respectively for administrative costs and profits, subject to various waivers and exemptions. If an insurer fails to meet this requirement, there is no penalty, but a rebate must be issued to the policy holder. This policy is known as the 'Medical Loss Ratio'. Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's just raising the minimum wage... Not exactly socialism.

The act also creates a panel and funding, outside of the control of Congress. The panel allows the government to seize any company that the panel says is a threat to economy. It was intended to control "too big to fail" companies and allow them to broken up to minimize the damage done to the economy. Interestingly, there is no appeals process in the law, it can fund itself without oversight or going through congress and is given broad powers over business.

Nor do I see where it relates to minimum wage.


Okay, a few things:
1. The left in this country is a disorganized, marginalized group of minor political groups. They're calling for anything, or at least they're not getting it.
2. Government run health care is a key part of democratic socialism, but it's a capitalist idea as well. Canada and various capitalist European countries do it.
3. Progressive taxation is not an exclusively socialist idea.

1. your opinion, accepted as your opinion.
2. And from my experiences, It sucks ass. Sure it doesn't cost anything but some taxes, but quality, technology and availability anything beyond basic visits falls way short of what is available in the US, outside of socialized facilities/systems in the US.
3. Did I say it was? Even if it is socialistic, It does not a socialist make. Just another potential commonality.



Minimum wage is a strictly capitalist policy - a large number of right wingers advocate for it. Socialists advocate for direct worker or government control of production.

In that you have to have a capitalist based economy to have wages, you are correct. Under true Communism, there is no money, so there is no wages.

They do? Please present any evidence that "right-wingers" support minimum wage.

I haven't posted any opposition to "right-wingers" because they were not the subject of the discussion. Apparently you feel that because I am anti-left, that I am to the right, that is incorrect.

That's not exactly true. The EPA is an organization that sets regulations to prevent the over-expenditure and damage of natural resources. If anything, it's a largely beneficial force to corporations.

It is? Really? Maybe you believe that, but the current EPA is a rogue organization that is tremendously harmful to America.


If your views are those of a child, you'll be spoken to as a child.

Ah, opposing views are childish now, very good argument. (sarcasm)

In public schools, the government has the right to set a curriculum, provided it falls within basic moral guidelines. Bear in mind that republicans regulate public schools as well.

And who says I support all of their regulation of schooling? Having any examples of schools teaching conservatism? I already given some of them teaching liberalism.

Bear in mind that Republicans redistrict as well. It's up to the discretion of state officials.

No, it is not always. Texas at least has to have theirs approved by a federal court, hence the current court fight over it. If it was strictly the state, then there would of been no case. The whole disapproval of the redistricting was entirely based upon it not creating enough "minority" representation.

And while I might not approve of all the republicans efforts, I do trust them more than the left and using "minority" representation as a criteria.

1. American liberalism is actually pretty right wing, compared to the capitalist countries in Europe.
2. The Republicans aren't exactly anti-government, either.

Obviously we greatly disagree on where American Liberalism stands.

You are correct, that would be Libertarians, although, Republicans believe in a greatly reduced form of government.

BTW, you keep bring up Republicans. Is there some reason you think I am a Republican? If so, then you haven't seen some of my posts. While I do agree with some of their stances, I also agree with many ideas from the left, I just don't like their methodologies.

In relative terms, American liberalism would be considered right wing.

Relative to whom or what? Stalin or Hitler? Even them, they are quickly approaching.

1. Liberals don't oppress religion. They just don't advocate for religious control of society.
2. By definition, fascism is right wing authoritarianism.

They don't? Really. They haven't support the anti-Christian activist? They didn't boo the inclusion of religion in their parties platform and their national convention?

You have your wings mixed up, Fascism is Nationalist Socialism. Hitler, Mussolini and other Fascist all had socialistic controls in their economic philosophies and even named themselves Socialist, it was their socio policies that were different. So now, they didn't embrace the socio-economic philosophy of Marx, just his economic philosophies. No, they didn't like Communism, because they were the authoritarian left, not the libertarian left. You may not like them being called socialist because they were too strongly Authoritarian and maybe you lean more to Libertarian, but left they most certainly were/are. The Nationalist portion of Fascism is really the only distinguishing feature between early fascism and American Liberalism, and we are seeing a trending towards that Nationalism.

Look, if you want to debate this, I'm more than willing to. But let's do so in a private debate so you can stop derailing my thread. ;)

Your are the one who "derailed" your thread, my first comment was in keeping with the thread.

Private Debate is just argument and other than maybe some entertainment value, serves no useful purpose. The whole reason for debate is to present differing opinions, facts, philosophies, etc before an audience in-order to allow the audience to form their opinions. If you are debating with the intention of changing the beliefs of those who participate, then you need to get a better understanding of debate. People who participate already believe in their stances to the point they express them openly to influence others. You are probably not going to change the stance of someone debating, the only affect is upon the audience. I am not trying to change you or your opinion in anyway, I am only giving opinion, facts, viewpoints contrary to yours because I believe the audience needs to have differences to compare.
 
Kerry is much less female and black than Ms Rice, surely much better a candidate from a GOP point of view. He's old like them too!
 
Kerry is much less female and black than Ms Rice, surely much better a candidate from a GOP point of view. He's old like them too!

How quickly we forget. Um, you do know that under the last Republican President, that both the Sec States he appointed were Black and one was also Female? And Condi was not exactly old either.
 
Sure, it gets him out of the Senate. Of course, he may do like he did in Iraq and convince no country to sell the USA oil.
 
How quickly we forget. Um, you do know that under the last Republican President, that both the Sec States he appointed were Black and one was also Female? And Condi was not exactly old either.

The last RINO President didn't have the teabaggers on his back.
 
Bush was not AWOL, and didnt refuse to go to Vietnam. However, I realize you may beleive this, regardless of the lack of evidence. Not that Bush has anything to do with this topic.

Bush spent his time in the Air National Guard working on the campaign of a Republican congressman. Oh, and he did spend a week or so patrolling the dangerous border between Texas and Lousiana.
 
Bush spent his time in the Air National Guard working on the campaign of a Republican congressman. Oh, and he did spend a week or so patrolling the dangerous border between Texas and Lousiana.

So he controlled what orders his unit was given? And what does Bush have to do with who is appointed Sec State now?
 
So he controlled what orders his unit was given? And what does Bush have to do with who is appointed Sec State now?

Just correcting the record. But if you have contradictory information about his wartime service, please post it.
 
Bush spent his time in the Air National Guard working on the campaign of a Republican congressman. Oh, and he did spend a week or so patrolling the dangerous border between Texas and Lousiana.

Confirmation. Thanks. Not that Bush has anything to do with the topic.
 
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