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Victimless crimes

Which of the following are victimless crimes?

  • Adultery

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Drug manufacture/sales

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Drug use/possession

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Incest

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Necrophilia

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Polygamy

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Prostitution

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • Public nudity

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Sex in public

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Traffic violations

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Total voters
    12
All of these crimes have a victim, whether the victim realizes they are a victim or not. I think that is where the real issue is. Most victims don't even realize they are victims.

Like mind-boggling stupidity most people who are victims of this horrible condition do not know they are.
 
Here on all traffic tickets there is a victims tax that goes into a fund to help the victims of traffic accidents. I think it was started when after a horrendous accident where I think more than 10 people were killed and dozens injured, people started needing help paying for PTSD therapy.
Well, I hope we never adopt that here. Not that I want people involved in something to have no recourse, but more that there is no differentiation between a little speeding and running a red light.
 
Assuming you get a new thread, you might want to specify in the first post whether or not all people involved would be consenting adults.

Yes, that's true.
 
Well, I hope we never adopt that here. Not that I want people involved in something to have no recourse, but more that there is no differentiation between a little speeding and running a red light.

Well it's added on to every ticket as a percentage thing but it's really small I don't know what the issue is.
 
Historically this is not the case. Polygamy in both the Mormon and Islamic worlds have led to horrific crimes against women and young boys. And Prostitution, legal and otherwise is directly related to human trafficking and physical and verbal abuse.
1) So has regular marriage... and not when it involves consenting adults as it would be in the U.S.
2) Prostitution itself CAN lead to those things, but in of itself is a victimless crime. There are plenty safe prostitution places in Nevada that the women there love to work. What you are saying is that human trafficing is not a victimless crime... and yes I agree with you.

I don't know the exact classification of the laws right now, but I am saying these two are the only ones I think ARE victimless crimes.
 
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(Note: I could have put many more options in the poll, but they are limited to ten entries.)

Victimless crimes are defined as crimes "where there is no apparent victim and no apparent pain or injury." Many such acts are on the books in many countries, including the United States.

What are some victimless crimes that should be decriminalized or outright legalized?

EDIT: Crap, I forgot to make the poll multiple choice. Can a mod please do that?
You also forgot a "non of the above" option.

My non-vote, is my vote. All of those acts could damage someone other than the participant.
 
Well it's added on to every ticket as a percentage thing but it's really small I don't know what the issue is.
Principle difference I guess. I don't believe in having a surtax and a penalty in the same charge, especially ones to cover injuries not caused by me.
 
Victimless crime is a misnomer. Every single thing on that list has some kind of negative effect on society in certain circumstances. However, that doesn't inherently justify making the action illegal, especially when that creates an even worse negative impact to society.
 
Actually could argue polygamy has victims if they have children according to some but I don't believe it.

Why would the children be victims? And why do you assume there is children?

So if there is no children than it is a victimless crime? So how can it be both a victimless crime and not a victimless crime?

I know, because it is not both, it is a victimless crime...
 
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Why would the children be victims? And why do you assume there is children?

So if there is no children than it is a victimless crime? So how can it be both a victimless crime and not a victimless crime?

I know, because it is not both, it is a victimless crime...
I don't know, that's just the argument people against polygamy use I assume the studies are by the same people that say gay parents are harmful to children. It shouldn't be a crime to begin with personally but I'm just saying that is one of the arguments that can argue it does have victims.
 
i copied the list because theres no one answer for them, sometimes they can be victimless and sometimes not.

Adultery - YES SOMETIMES
Drug manufacture/sales -YES SOMETIMES
Drug use/possession - YES SOMETIMES
Incest - YES SOMETIMES
Necrophilia - YES SOMETIMES
Polygamy - YES SOMETIMES
Prostitution - YES SOMETIMES
Public nudity - YES SOMETIMES
Sex in public - YES SOMETIMES
Traffic violations - YES SOMETIMES

all of them at times can be victimless
 
A true victimless crime is that of a pirate who steals software or music who wasn't going to buy it anyways. There is no lost sale because no sale was going to happen. Therefore, the potential victim has never been violated as they are in the same position they were before. Furthermore, if in terms of music causes the pirate to actually go to a concert, there's a clear benefit there.
This has to be the most bizarre reasoning I have ever heard regarding this subject.
 
This has to be the most bizarre reasoning I have ever heard regarding this subject.
Artists need to learn that they are not producing the product, they are producing the entertainment which attract the audience. Artists need to market their music the way a television markets their shows, where the point is not to give you the show but to attract buyers for products in commercials.
 
Artists need to learn that they are not producing the product, they are producing the entertainment which attract the audience. Artists need to market their music the way a television markets their shows, where the point is not to give you the show but to attract buyers for products in commercials.
Irrelevant. The artist decides for them self if they want to give it away. The decision is not made for them because somebody else says it's a good thing to do.
 
Irrelevant. The artist decides for them self if they want to give it away. The decision is not made for them because somebody else says it's a good thing to do.
Yes it is. Making the decision for the artist is called 'piracy'. The music will be pirated regardless of anyone's opinion. There is a demand for free music, so how else do you make money on free music then mirroring television, give the music away and make money on endorsed products?
 
Yes it is. Making the decision for the artist is called 'piracy'. The music will be pirated regardless of anyone's opinion. There is a demand for free music, so how else do you make money on free music then mirroring television, give the music away and make money on endorsed products?
There's demand for free anything. If Ferraris were given away free you'd see a lot more of them on the road. Other than advocating theft, what's your point?
 
There's demand for free anything. If Ferraris were given away free you'd see a lot more of them on the road. Other than advocating theft, what's your point?
That's a very old, long dead argument.

Piracy is going to continue whether you like or not. If the artist wants to make money, and become 'the rich' which the Left hate so passionately, the industry needs to fundamentaly change and model themselves after TV and radio.
 
That's a very old, long dead argument.

Piracy is going to continue whether you like or not. If the artist wants to make money, and become 'the rich' which the Left hate so passionately, the industry needs to fundamentaly change and model themselves after TV and radio.
It's old because it's valid and indisputable.

You're right about one thing... it won't stop. So? By your reasoning we should legalize child molestation because some people are going to do it anyway. Yeah, that's the answer... dissolve all ownership and property rights because the chances are pretty good that a common thief will come along and take it anyway.
 
It's old because it's valid and indisputable.

You're right about one thing... it won't stop. So? By your reasoning we should legalize child molestation because some people are going to do it anyway. Yeah, that's the answer... dissolve all ownership and property rights because the chances are pretty good that a common thief will come along and take it anyway.
See I'm trying to talk about a valid solution and you're just jumping off the deep end into hysteria. Music pirating = child abuse, according to you. Whatever man :roll:
 
1. Why they don't harm anyone and they one of the nicest elementary schools in the country where they have parent-parent-parent teacher interviews.

Come again?

2. Bouncers usually good at solving that problem.

Not at the receiving end of new prostitutes. Human trafficking is a huge problem in legal and illegal prostitution.
 
1) So has regular marriage... and not when it involves consenting adults as it would be in the U.S.

That's true, but regular marriage doesn't actively leave teenage boys homeless or rape young girls. That happens in both Islamic and Mormon polygamy.

2) Prostitution itself CAN lead to those things, but in of itself is a victimless crime. There are plenty safe prostitution places in Nevada that the women there love to work. What you are saying is that human trafficing is not a victimless crime... and yes I agree with you.

But prostitution elsewhere, particularly Europe, Asia and parts of the US is fed via human trafficking.

I don't know the exact classification of the laws right now, but I am saying these two are the only ones I think ARE victimless crimes.

Nah, the only two I see that are actual victimless crimes through and through is incest without children and adultery via swinging.
 
Come again?



Not at the receiving end of new prostitutes. Human trafficking is a huge problem in legal and illegal prostitution.

Polygamy doesn't harm anyone especially the children they are fine I used that as a an example see their children are fine everyone wins. Secondly regulation and law enforcement can help cut down on that and just because it's illegal doesn't mean it will stop so why shouldn't it be legal?
 
This has to be the most bizarre reasoning I have ever heard regarding this subject.

Why? For someone to be a victim, they must have lost something, money, health, bodily function, etc. In the case of IP piracy where no sale would have occurred, there is nothing to do to make the "victim" made whole because the "victim" never lost anything. They are in the exact same position they were prior to the piracy. Now, someone who WOULD have bought it and now is stealing, there is a victim as there is now a lost sale. What some in the music industry are starting to realize is that if they give away at least some of their product, they make it back (or more in the case of the no-buy pirate) with concert sales. In a way, this actually mirrors the free-to-play concept.
 
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