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Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

Is it racist to ask immigrants to speak English?


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Thanks for admitting what I implied.

Okay smart guy, then explain to me how exactly it makes one a bigot or a racist to oppose illegal immigration.
 
Language is a small issue among many other issues. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed though. It's still an issue.

I don't believe it is. History shows they adjust in time.
 
I don't believe it is. History shows they adjust in time.

That might be true, but in the meantime, it hinders them and adds to poverty levels.
 
I doubt that very much, especially in today's economy.

There are an estimated 12 million unemployed Americans and an estimated 8 million illegals working in the US. If Americans are so willing to work their job, why is there a need for 8 million illegals who would bring you huge fines if you get caught hiring them?
 
There are an estimated 12 million unemployed Americans and an estimated 8 million illegals working in the US. If Americans are so willing to work their job, why is there a need for 8 million illegals who would bring you huge fines if you get caught hiring them?

Because their chances of getting caught are probably not very high, and they save a ton of money paying those illegal workers crappy wages.
 
That might be true, but in the meantime, it hinders them and adds to poverty levels.

Not so much. Most do quite well. Like I said, I work with them daily. One who came here not speaking a word of a English went to law school and MIT. He's given back quite a lot. Another learned English watching tv and s now a hospital administrator. Others are nurses, police officers, factory managers, and everything else you can think of. Most work hard and give back.
 
There are an estimated 12 million unemployed Americans and an estimated 8 million illegals working in the US. If Americans are so willing to work their job, why is there a need for 8 million illegals who would bring you huge fines if you get caught hiring them?

Because there ISN'T a need for those illegals. That 8-20 million came in over time, decades. Some jumped the border, some overstayed visas. Then many smuggled their families up (since we weren't deporting them). They didn't come here for a specific job, so they weren't "needed". They came largely to find work and set up a life in a country with services because they knew, if they managed to stay long enough we'd lose the will to deport the asshats.
 
Not so much. Most do quite well. Like I said, I work with them daily. One who came here not speaking a word of a English went to law school and MIT. He's given back quite a lot. Another learned English watching tv and s now a hospital administrator. Others are nurses, police officers, factory managers, and everything else you can think of. Most work hard and give back.

Provide me with some statistics and then I'll believe you. Your maybe true/maybe not personal anecdotes do not count.
 
Provide me with some statistics and then I'll believe you. Your maybe true/maybe not personal anecdotes do not count.

I'll see what I can find.
 
Okay smart guy, then explain to me how exactly it makes one a bigot or a racist to oppose illegal immigration.

I didn't say it did.
 
Are you just here to refute what everyone has to say? Honestly... I'm sure you know what I mean, you're just being difficult.

I have no idea what you meant.
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having certain qualifications for people to enter the country and become legal citizens. It is in no way racist or bigotry. If we were to say that a certain ethnic group was not allowed to enter the country BECAUSE of their ethnicity, that would be racist. Expecting people to be able to adequately integrate into the community and contribute to the economy is not racist.
 
I hear people talking about this subject all the time, and I'm just curious.

Is it racist to ask immigrants to speak English (or whatever language the country they immigrated to speaks) when in public places?

Not inherently. If you can't communicate with the people in your new society you aren't going to get far in life, and people aren't going to waste their time trying to figure out what you're saying.
 
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Is it racist...
Stop right there. That's a better thread topic. "Is it racist:" (similar to the "will it blend" show) and let people present their own scenarios.

Language has nothing to do with race, so I wouldn't call any issue of language racist.
 
Stop right there. That's a better thread topic. "Is it racist:" (similar to the "will it blend" show) and let people present their own scenarios.

Language has nothing to do with race, so I wouldn't call any issue of language racist.
Popular perception would disagree, but technically you're correct. There are many peoples of the same race that speak different languages.
 
Provide me with some statistics and then I'll believe you. Your maybe true/maybe not personal anecdotes do not count.

Immigrants tend to be highly entrepreneurial, creating jobs here in the United States. Research from the Small Business Administration suggests that immigrants are more likely to start a business than are non‑immigrants: while they are only 12 percent of the U.S. population, immigrants represent 16.7 percent of all new business owners in the United States. Immigrants own businesses in a variety of industries and make substantial contributions to both low-skilled and high-skilled sectors: 28.4 percent of businesses owned by those with less than a high school education are owned by immigrants, and 12 percent of businesses owned by those with a college education are owned by immigrants. Overall, immigrants own 10.8 percent of all firms with employees, providing job opportunities for thousands of Americans.

The Many Contributions of Immigrants to the American Economy

For example, immigrants are responsible for 20% of economic output and make up 20% of the population in these 25 metropolitan areas. In other words, immigrants pull their own weight.

How Immigrants Contribute to American Society » The Color Line

Illegal aliens contribute about as much to the public coffers in taxes as they receive in benefits. New data suggests the undocumented pay about 46 percent as much in taxes as do natives, but use about 45 percent as much in services. A poll of the most respected economists found a consensus that both legal and illegal immigrants are beneficial economically.

US immigration Facts

A quick search shows alot of this type of thing.
 
Still waiting for those three people to explain to me how it is racist to insist that certain qualifications be met before one is granted citizenship.
 
Immigrants tend to be highly entrepreneurial, creating jobs here in the United States. Research from the Small Business Administration suggests that immigrants are more likely to start a business than are non‑immigrants: while they are only 12 percent of the U.S. population, immigrants represent 16.7 percent of all new business owners in the United States. Immigrants own businesses in a variety of industries and make substantial contributions to both low-skilled and high-skilled sectors: 28.4 percent of businesses owned by those with less than a high school education are owned by immigrants, and 12 percent of businesses owned by those with a college education are owned by immigrants. Overall, immigrants own 10.8 percent of all firms with employees, providing job opportunities for thousands of Americans.

The Many Contributions of Immigrants to the American Economy

For example, immigrants are responsible for 20% of economic output and make up 20% of the population in these 25 metropolitan areas. In other words, immigrants pull their own weight.

How Immigrants Contribute to American Society » The Color Line

Are you aware of why this is? I'm not going to argue that a lot of immigrants start businesses, but that still does not mean that we shouldn't insist that immigrants know the main language used in the country.

Illegal aliens contribute about as much to the public coffers in taxes as they receive in benefits. New data suggests the undocumented pay about 46 percent as much in taxes as do natives, but use about 45 percent as much in services. A poll of the most respected economists found a consensus that both legal and illegal immigrants are beneficial economically.

Okay, for one thing, this is not so easy to prove, considering the fact that they are undocumented. This is only a guesstimate, and I highly doubt that it is accurate, considering the fact that the only thing they are going on is those who DO pay taxes and there is no way to know for sure how many do not. Another thing is that you cannot tell me that there are not MANY illegal immigrants who receive benefits on behalf of their US-born children.
 
Because their chances of getting caught are probably not very high, and they save a ton of money paying those illegal workers crappy wages.

And we had a more liberal immigration policy we could better identify, locate, and regulate these folks, but let's stick with the program that has served us so well. With 8% of the births in the US being to at least 1 illegal parent per Pew it will just be a matter of time before it becomes a moot point.
 
And we had a more liberal immigration policy we could better identify, locate, and regulate these folks, but let's stick with the program that has served us so well. With 8% of the births in the US being to at least 1 illegal parent per Pew it will just be a matter of time before it becomes a moot point.

Explain what you mean by a "more liberal immigration policy" please.
 
Immigrants tend to be highly entrepreneurial, creating jobs here in the United States. Research from the Small Business Administration suggests that immigrants are more likely to start a business than are non‑immigrants: while they are only 12 percent of the U.S. population, immigrants represent 16.7 percent of all new business owners in the United States. Immigrants own businesses in a variety of industries and make substantial contributions to both low-skilled and high-skilled sectors: 28.4 percent of businesses owned by those with less than a high school education are owned by immigrants, and 12 percent of businesses owned by those with a college education are owned by immigrants. Overall, immigrants own 10.8 percent of all firms with employees, providing job opportunities for thousands of Americans.

The Many Contributions of Immigrants to the American Economy

For example, immigrants are responsible for 20% of economic output and make up 20% of the population in these 25 metropolitan areas. In other words, immigrants pull their own weight.

How Immigrants Contribute to American Society » The Color Line

Illegal aliens contribute about as much to the public coffers in taxes as they receive in benefits. New data suggests the undocumented pay about 46 percent as much in taxes as do natives, but use about 45 percent as much in services. A poll of the most respected economists found a consensus that both legal and illegal immigrants are beneficial economically.

US immigration Facts

A quick search shows alot of this type of thing.

Can you please repeat that post in Chinese, Greek and Spanish for those immigrants that lack English skills. :)
 
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