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Obama will take your guns away

Obama will take our guns away

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obvious Child

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Just curious, do you think Obama will somehow take your guns away?

Extra points if you can tell me what the last four options have in common.
 
NO. (more characters)
 
Who are you baiting now?
 
obvious Child said:
Just curious, do you think Obama will somehow take your guns away?

Extra points if you can tell me what the last four options have in common.
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Not directly

but what Obama can and will do is to appoint more judges like Sotomayor who do not believe there is an individual right of citizens to own guns. that means if Heller comes up again and Kennedy has been replaced by another anti gun justice, our gun rights are in jeopardy Furthermore there are many restrictions that many of us believe are unconstitutional that are in place but of dubious validity such as the Hughes Amendment which banned the legal registration and ownership of post May 19, 1986 automatic weapons Another couple anti gun justices will mean that many restrictions less draconian than outright bans of most guns might be sustained

Furthermore the executive orders Obama can impose can cause massive problems. Clinton banned the importation of chinese made weapons and ammo. Many of the best brands of low cost high quality ammo come from Mexico (Aguila) Serbia (Privi Prtizan) Russia (Brown bear, wolf) etc and Obama can prevent that through executive order which would drive up the cost of shooting substantially.
 
obvious Child said:
Dumb people who don't understand the Constitution.
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2nd amendment proponents are worried about the politicians who could care less what the Constitution says, not the dumb people who don't understand the constitution.
 
Obama has pretty much been more in support of guns than some of the previous presidents. Gun fanatics should actually love him for that.
 
Cilogy said:
Obama has pretty much been more in support of guns than some of the previous presidents. Gun fanatics should actually love him for that.
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yeah, remind me how Sotomayor voted on the McDonald case

and tell me where do you think Kagan would come down on a gun issue
 
Why I said yes,

Given the ability to appoint just about anyone to the Supreme Court that body could easily rule the 2nd miraculously does not apply to citizens but state militias. Of course we disagree with that but stupid things happen. And like gay marriage a law banning the sell or transfer of a gun gets approved in some place like SF, Chicago, or DC and proponents give LE more money to cities that follow suit ( like a seat belt or helmet law) so more cities do then a state and it steam roles. Ultimately no more gun shops, no industry except for cops / defense. No inheritance, taxes on ammo, and people can't afford to shoot. 20 years later 70% oppose gun ownership cause 66% don't own any.

Can Obama come and take them...no....but he can toss a snowball way up on the mountain top to get it rolling.
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah, remind me how Sotomayor voted on the McDonald case

and tell me where do you think Kagan would come down on a gun issue
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Yeah, I think Obama's administration has tried to play both sides in a way, it's sort of frustrating.
 
Cilogy said:
Yeah, I think Obama's administration has tried to play both sides in a way, it's sort of frustrating.
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short term he did not take obvious steps to submit his party to the blood bath it took in 1994 when it lost both houses mainly due to the clinton gun ban or 2000 when Al Gore's adoption of anti gun idiocy probably cost him his home state and thus the election. In the long run Obama has done plenty that is anti gun including choosing two anti gun justices and his support (the level of which is hard to determine) of the fast and furious scheme which was designed to "manufacture" evidence useful to restrict our gun rights as well as appointing a guy as AG who was a huge supporter of the unconstitutional DC gun ban
 
TurtleDude said:
short term he did not take obvious steps to submit his party to the blood bath it took in 1994 when it lost both houses mainly due to the clinton gun ban or 2000 when Al Gore's adoption of anti gun idiocy probably cost him his home state and thus the election. In the long run Obama has done plenty that is anti gun including choosing two anti gun justices and his support (the level of which is hard to determine) of the fast and furious scheme which was designed to "manufacture" evidence useful to restrict our gun rights as well as appointing a guy as AG who was a huge supporter of the unconstitutional DC gun ban
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Makes sense.

I would respond with what I really think but I don't wanna start somethin'.
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Cilogy said:
Makes sense.

I would respond with what I really think but I don't wanna start somethin'.
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please do, I'd love to hear your take on Obama's gun position
 
Boo Radley said:
I was temped to go with Voltron. Good choice.
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Back when I was a kid in South Africa, Voltron was one of the only shows for kids on TV.

Use to rush home from school everyday to watch it.

Definitely got a special place in my heart.
 
Clearly Thundercats.
 
I am not sure what my answer would be. But I am curious. What is the small arms treaty? Is that a real threat or not?
 
TurtleDude said:
please do, I'd love to hear your take on Obama's gun position
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Sorry for the length:

I might have said this before recently, but I think strict adherence to the Constitution is overrated. I know that sounds horrible, but I just think times were different in the 18th century to the point that laws that might have made perfect sense then don't make sense now. The "right to bear arms" doesn't really have the same the implications it used to.

Consider several things:
1. the type of arms available then compared to now (you couldn't exactly massacre a theater full of people with a flintlock musket)
2. the US was a smaller, less diverse, and a more vulnerable country back then
3. guns were not as widely produced as they are now
4. the amount of massacres and shootings that occur these days compared to back then

All those things carry a lot of weight in this debate. This doesn't mean we need to have an all out ban on all guns, and at the end of the day it's about the person holding the gun rather than the gun itself. Plus, I can see why people like guns and I definitely agree with the need for some sort of defense at home, for defense against tyranny, or for when the apocalypse hits. However, why do we realistically need military grade equipment for civilian use? Assault weapons? Stuff that is intended more for insurgency rather than personal defense? Why allow the craziest folks access to this stuff? We can either increase control on more powerful guns or take steps to improve education and stuff to prevent this from happening in the first place, but only one of those things is realistic in the short-term. Only one of those things can really prevent shootings and pointless deaths now.

So, here is where I disagree with Obama (I think), because I'm not entirely sure where he would draw the line on gun control. You'd think Obama's admin wants all guns banned all the time (which I disagree with), but it's tough to interpret that considering his actions as president. Going back to what you said, I'm not entirely sure where the SCOTUS would draw the line either. So as frustrating as the POTUS' stance on guns has been for pro-gun folks, it's been similarly frustrating to people like me to. I just don't know what to think about this sometimes, but it's worth at least doing something rather than doing nothing.
 
TurtleDude said:
Not directly

but what Obama can and will do is to appoint more judges like Sotomayor who do not believe there is an individual right of citizens to own guns. that means if Heller comes up again and Kennedy has been replaced by another anti gun justice, our gun rights are in jeopardy Furthermore there are many restrictions that many of us believe are unconstitutional that are in place but of dubious validity such as the Hughes Amendment which banned the legal registration and ownership of post May 19, 1986 automatic weapons Another couple anti gun justices will mean that many restrictions less draconian than outright bans of most guns might be sustained
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You really think they'd overturn at the SCOTUS 200+ years of precedent?
 
I doubt he would be able to do anything directly, and he has a lot bigger problems to worry about. I do worry a little about indirect means of making owning/shooting guns more difficult, but so far he has shown no inclination to do much of anything relating to guns.
 
obvious Child said:
Just curious, do you think Obama will somehow take your guns away?

Extra points if you can tell me what the last four options have in common.
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Where's your evidence to post this type of poll?
 
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