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Is Paul Ryan the frontrunner for the Republicans in 2016 as of the end of 2012?

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  • Yes

    Votes: 4 14.3%

  • No

    Votes: 24 85.7%
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The Republicans have long acted in accord with the "next in line" principle for their Presidential nominations, but just who the next-in-line is sometimes varies: occasionally it's the runner-up in the previous primary (Reagan), occasionally it's their Congressional leader (Dole), but Republican Vice-Presidents and Vice-Presidential nominees, actually, have not had much success in becoming Presidential nominees. With the exception of George H.W. Bush, the last former Vice-Presidential nominee on the Republican ticket to attain the Presidential nomination was Bob Dole in 1996, and there was a twenty year gap between his Vice-Presidential and Presidential nominations.

I think, for now, Ryan has to be assumed to be the frontrunner for want of any other candidate. I do not at all think he will be the nominee. I think it's especially unlikely he'll be nominated if the Democrats put up Biden because of how badly Biden beat him in this year's Vice-Presidential debates.

In short: I answer 'yes' to my own question, but 'no' to the greater question of whether he'll actually win the nomination.
 
IMO, Paul Ryan is a smart man but he doesn't have the ability to speak the way some people do. That just wasn't a gift he appears to have been born with, so I don't think he will win the nomination, not because he isn't smart enough to be a good leader, but because he doesn't have the "public speaking" qualities needed to win an election.
 
please make this so
the romney team nicknamed ryan 'gilligan' because of his obvious attributes
should make 2016 a breeze for Elizabeth Warren
 
Einzige said:
The Republicans have long acted in accord with the "next in line" principle for their Presidential nominations, but just who the next-in-line is sometimes varies: occasionally it's the runner-up in the previous primary (Reagan), occasionally it's their Congressional leader (Dole), but Republican Vice-Presidents and Vice-Presidential nominees, actually, have not had much success in becoming Presidential nominees. With the exception of George H.W. Bush, the last former Vice-Presidential nominee on the Republican ticket to attain the Presidential nomination was Bob Dole in 1996, and there was a twenty year gap between his Vice-Presidential and Presidential nominations.

I think, for now, Ryan has to be assumed to be the frontrunner for want of any other candidate. I do not at all think he will be the nominee. I think it's especially unlikely he'll be nominated if the Democrats put up Biden because of how badly Biden beat him in this year's Vice-Presidential debates.

In short: I answer 'yes' to my own question, but 'no' to the greater question of whether he'll actually win the nomination.
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Weren't people saying the same thing about Sarah Palin 4 years ago?

It's more likely Ryan will have a reality show on cable TV than be the next republican nominee.
 
the field I see right now :

Rubio
Ryan
Jindal
Christie

right now, I'd put Rubio as the frontrunner, if there is such a thing less than a month after the election. this speculation is somewhat meaningless for at least another year or two, though.
 
You people are seriously discussing who the front runner is for 2016...in Nov. 2012?

Why not 2020? Or 2032?

Why not discuss which pre-schoolers have the edge for 2064?

:rolleyes:

Partisan politics is destroying America.
 
DA60 said:
You people are seriously discussing who the front runner is for 2016...in Nov. 2012?

Why not 2020? Or 2032?

Why not discuss which pre-schoolers have the edge for 2064?

:rolleyes:
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I'm actually more interested this far out, because it's highly likely an early putative frontrunner doesn't actually become the nominee.
 
I could maybe see Ryan gaining the nomination in 8-16 years, after gaining some maturity, not unlike Nixon made a come back later, but I don't see it happening in 2016. I think... hope... that the Reps will give us some more middle-of-the-road options next time.
 
Bear in mind that the question here really isn't "is Ryan the most likely Republican to be the nominee?". It's "is Ryan the most likely Republican to be the nominee right now?".
 
Einzige said:
Bear in mind that the question here really isn't "is Ryan the most likely Republican to be the nominee?". It's "is Ryan the most likely Republican to be the nominee right now?".
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I would say 'no'. I'm not hearing much about him at all other than regarding the recent campaign.
 
Helix said:
the field I see right now :

Rubio
Ryan
Jindal
Christie

right now, I'd put Rubio as the frontrunner, if there is such a thing less than a month after the election. this speculation is somewhat meaningless for at least another year or two, though.
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That's a good analysis.
 
Hell no. Nope nope nope. No way. The Republicans need to rethink their whole national strategy and going with Paul Ryan is not the way to go..
 
Personally I don't think it will matter if the RNC does not change its song and dance on social issues. Gez look at the lord bishop of conservatives and what he is saying now. Pro GW, evolution, Pot, saying nice things about non baptists. Holy cow.

If they find a real moderate or close to it who can actuallyu stick to his/her opinions then I say they have a shot. If they carryon with this other nonsense then no way at all
 
Probably Portman since his was the name that everybody mentioned as the alternative to Ryan.
 
Well sure glad you have the say in what the Republican Party does. Yuuup.


TheDemSocialist said:
Hell no. Nope nope nope. No way. The Republicans need to rethink their whole national strategy and going with Paul Ryan is not the way to go..
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Ryan needs to hire the people who ran Ron Puals' online efforts the past 5 years
because they do a great job on line, and he needs that right not to build a base.

He needs to step out as a defacto leader of the Tea Party movement and almost
separate himself from the RNC some what; he can do that by promoting a flatter
income tax than the convaluted system we have today - people want a better
tax system they just don't want it to cost them more.

And he needs to begin raising money like the campaign was still on.

Ryan is a fiscal guy and after 4 more years of the obamanomic mess the people
will be looking for fiscal sanity. He can resonate as a leader in that role.
 
Romney got his ass beat for a variety of reasons, one of which was appearing dishonest.

Ryan earned his nickname Lyin' Ryan. And his budget proposals shaft the economy by damaging non-healthcare sectors by sucking out money with a plan that is in no way even remotely capable of keeping disbursements to healthcare costs. Not to mention his own budget plan increases the deficit. Plus he holds the same beliefs as Akins on abortion, not to mention anti-gay marriage beliefs.

A proven liar, with a plan that screws over people and the economy, raises the deficit by trading safety net for rich tax cuts, has extremely conservative social beliefs. Good luck with that.
 
CalGun said:
Well sure glad you have the say in what the Republican Party does. Yuuup.
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Well have fun continuing down this same path and lemme know where the Republican party is in 15 years
 
No.

It's gonna be Chris Christie, just watch.
 
Absolutely not. Ryan won't simply ride into the sunset ala Sarah Palin, but his influence in the GOP peaked during this election cycle due to the Romney loss. I'd look for Rubio, or a conservative that could appeal to more a moderate crowd such as Mitch Daniels or Rob Portman in 2016.
 
Paul Ryan has no chance to be president...he blew that with his take from the middleclass seniors and poor and give it to the rich budget plans.
Ill even go as far to say if Romney had chosen another Vice President he very may well have won the election
 
johnny_rebson said:
Not after Christie helped Obama get reelected.
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Yeah he'll be slammed a lot for that, which is really stupid considering the fact that Christie is just a governor who really loves his state and wants to help his people. I have a feeling more moderate Republicans will realize by then that agreeing with Obama on something and wanting assistance after a disaster isn't automatically the devil's work.
 
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