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Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

Which one is it?


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Yes, I was talking about "your side's" tolerance level. They just can't stand to look at a manger because in their paranoid mind it means someone is mocking them, so they have to "one up" the decoration by placing a sign with a rude and bitchy euphemism. Sorry, that is you guys being intolerant. I guess you really ARE blind aren't you? :lol: Blinded by your own paranoia that is.

Atheists are by no means organized like organized religion is. Sure there are some small vocal local groups in places, but they do not represent Atheists at all, they are doing their own thing we do not vote on what they do. There is no reason that all of the actions of other Atheists should be blamed on a individual Atheist. Personally I have never complained about anything religious officially or publicly by posting signs etc. Normally theists stay within the realm of respect of other people and beliefs. But sometimes they do not.

Blaming every Atheist for the actions of a handful of radicals makes as much sense as blaming all religious people for the actions of westboro idiots or Islamic terrorist.
 
Holiday tree is ridiculous.

You say "Happy Holidays" during this time period because there are a few religions that celebrate holidays during this time of the year.

The Christmas tree...is well part of the celebration of Christmas.
 
I recognize the difference between the collective "you" as distinct from the individual "you." The points ARE plain. YOU accused me of hypocrisy. Now point it out.
It's already been done twice. YOUR display is warm and fuzzy. The display of OTHERS is snarky and bitchy. Get the beam out of thine own eye....
 
Blaming every Atheist for the actions of a handful of radicals makes as much sense as blaming all religious people for the actions of westboro idiots or Islamic terrorist.
Martin Luther King would have been a better example than the ones you chose. Dr. King's message was that official favoritism for whites did not live up to the great promises made by America. The message of the folks in question -- not nearly all of whom could aptly be called 'atheists' -- is that official favoritism for Christianity (or any other religion) doesn't either.
 
The Christmas tree...is well part of the celebration of Christmas.
In addition to the peoples of many centuries past, many people today who do not celebrate anything but the season itself put a tree in their homes. Are they compelled to call it a Christmas tree? On what account?

Certainly a tree may be part of a celebration of Christmas. But it may be part of other things as well. Mind the gap when trying to own any of those other things.
 
Pretty normal for any religion.
Yes, in the general sense, religion trades its supposedly "higher order" approval and endorsement of the culture and mores of the society it finds itself in for at least a decent standard of living while performing very little other work at all. Borrowing and attempting to brand social ceremonies and trappings that have nothing to do with your religion but which are already popular in society is simply a case of good marketing.
 
there is a difference between freedom of religion and not having religion be resent in society at all. Just because I have the freedom to choose what religion I am, does not mean that the guy next to me should be suppressed from his beliefs. It's a Christmas tree, and if you don't like it then don't buy one!
 
there is a difference between freedom of religion and not having religion be resent in society at all. Just because I have the freedom to choose what religion I am, does not mean that the guy next to me should be suppressed from his beliefs. It's a Christmas tree, and if you don't like it then don't buy one!
I'm confident those who don't like trees for the holidays in fact refrain from purchasing them. Persons of various religions and none however often DO like such trees and often DO purchase them. What they call them would then seem to be their business. They do not after all go down to the local Christian church and sign a three-week rental contract for one, promising to think of and describe it as set out in the fine print.

Present day society is meanwhile awash in religious references and iconography. Fear that religion will somehow vanish or be driven from public life is beyond irrational. Such objections as do arise concerning religion nearly all have their basis in improper attempts by religionists to enlist the public apparatus of the state in their private religious purposes. That and only that is what is prohibited. Yet with all the private property extending over hill and dale for as far as the eye can see, where is it that some folks insist on putting their manger scenes? You guessed it...on public property. They just can't seem to leave it alone.
 
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In certain instances, he may have made the argument. However, he did not make it in this thread (to my knowledge) so you're attacking an argument he hasn't made. That's very dishonest of you and not in the true spirit of debate.
It's turning his own idiot logic on his own insecure question. My response was both relevant and appropriate. Your defense of his awful remarks is what's dishonest.
 
It's turning his own idiot logic on his own insecure question. My response was both relevant and appropriate. Your defense of his awful remarks is what's dishonest.

Please show me where he mentions GWB.
 
It's already been done twice. YOUR display is warm and fuzzy. The display of OTHERS is snarky and bitchy. Get the beam out of thine own eye....

I'm sorry if you can't handle the truth. The reality of the situation is that when one displays a manger scene, it has nothing to do with one upsmanship or trying to insult anybody else's beliefs. The same cannot be said of the sign that you posted. That would make "you" (generally speaking of course ;)) the snarky one.
 
I'm sorry if you can't handle the truth.
A manger scene is not a display of truth. It is a display of overtly religious iconography associated withn a single religion. The government may not promote or endorse that even by appearance. If you want to strew the iconography of one religion acrosss public property, you will need to be prepared for the displays of all other beliefs as well, and those, not you, will determine the form they take and the content they bear.
 
A manger scene is not a display of truth. It is a display of overtly religious iconography associated withn a single religion.

A display of truth? I guess that depends on the person and their beliefs. Associated with a single religion? Sure it is.

The government may not promote or endorse that even by appearance.

I am well aware of this.

If you want to strew the iconography of one religion acrosss public property, you will need to be prepared for the displays of all other beliefs as well, and those, not you, will determine the form they take and the content they bear.

Well, I'll have you know that I was the one who said that they should NOT be decorating city hall and whatever public government-related buildings with these kinds of decorations because it just starts these stupid pissing contests every year.

For another thing, I really don't care what displays are up. I just think it's stupid to put up what is OBVIOUSLY a Christmas tree but then refuse to call it that to be PC. Why bother putting the thing up at all then? Just don't. :shrug: It's a complete waste of money and unnecessary anyways.
 
People like trees. They are pretty. The fresh and live ones smell nice. Anyone who chooses for whatever reason to buy one can call it whatever they like. Nobody gets to swoop in and give them orders about that.
 
He's a Liberal. He's not required to mention GWB in our presence. Besides, his silence speaks volumes.

:lol: So you really have nothing. You just make hyperparitsan, hackish, unbased, sweeping assumptions off of something someone didn't say. For all you know, he could really be indifferent to GWB's Presidency.
 
:lol: So you really have nothing. You just make hyperparitsan, hackish, unbased, sweeping assumptions off of something someone didn't say. For all you know, he could really be indifferent to GWB's Presidency.
I have plenty. More than you have. Are you willing to bet that his finger is not pointed at Bush?
 
I have plenty. More than you have. Are you willing to bet that his finger is not pointed at Bush?

Considering he never mentioned him, yes.
 
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