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Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

Which one is it?

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AreteCourage said:
Anyone who calls it a "Holiday Tree" ought to be punched square in the nose. Whether or not you are religious is irrelevant...it is Christmas. Political correctness really angers me at times.
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WHat about jewish and Muslim families in this country? Or other religious sects who put up a tree. I doubt they are willing to call it a Christ Mass Tree
 
wolfman24 said:
WHat about jewish and Muslim families in this country? Or other religious sects who put up a tree. I doubt they are willing to call it a Christ Mass Tree
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I think we should all start calling it a holiday tree to annoy people like that. Seriously, that is a silly thing to get annoyed about. :lol:
 
megaprogman said:
I think we should all start calling it a holiday tree to annoy people like that. Seriously, that is a silly thing to get annoyed about. :lol:
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Absolutely! My keltic ancestors were converted between the 6th and 8th centuries ACE by Irish Keltic Monks including Germanys patron saint St Boniface. These guys understood the need to maintain traditions but the Christianize them so they wouldn't look so bad.

The Mother Nerthus celebration become a feast of thanksgiving around a VERY large evergreen tree which was decorated with fruit and symbols of the clan and fetility.

Later this practice spread north across the Rhine and even as far as Scandvania.

It began as "pagan" and ended up Christain. WHO KNEW??
 
Dooble said:
Slow down there, oC. You need to chew before you swallow.

First of all, your anti-Christ/atheist view of the world's history remains unproven. In your circles, there still may, or may not, be a God, and there's nothing you can say or do to change that fact. If there is a God, which there is, then Jesus Christ precedes your moronic "clan form hierarchy", and that makes your point, moot.

Now, as I said earlier. Those other points I listed are all positive things, and Jesus Christ is ALL about the positives. You bark at me solely for the sake of ignorance. This tells me that, obviously, you are more child than you are adult -- at least mentally and emotionally.
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Its easy to see who is "right", who is winning this argument...
The one being insulted and abased...
"Gentlemen" do NOT do this !
 
wolfman24 said:
Absolutely! My keltic ancestors were converted between the 6th and 8th centuries ACE by Irish Keltic Monks including Germanys patron saint St Boniface. These guys understood the need to maintain traditions but the Christianize them so they wouldn't look so bad.

The Mother Nerthus celebration become a feast of thanksgiving around a VERY large evergreen tree which was decorated with fruit and symbols of the clan and fetility.

Later this practice spread north across the Rhine and even as far as Scandvania.

It began as "pagan" and ended up Christain. WHO KNEW??
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Since most of christianity is based on pagan beliefs and rituals, I'd say it was apropos.
 
Klown said:
Christianity is based upon the NEw Testament (the Gospels) - there is no mention of great floods in the New Testament.
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Are you saying that Christianity is completely separate from the Old Testament? I know plenty of Christians who would severely disagree with that, including some who have argued you'd go to Hell for saying something like that.
 
Dooble said:
Slow down there, oC. You need to chew before you swallow.
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You need to think before you post.

First of all, your anti-Christ/atheist view of the world's history remains unproven.
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Not an atheist. Furthermore, if you want to use that line, your Christian view of world history remains unproven. See how easy I turned that against you?

In your circles, there still may, or may not, be a God, and there's nothing you can say or do to change that fact. If there is a God, which there is, then Jesus Christ precedes your moronic "clan form hierarchy", and that makes your point, moot.
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Thus you have no actual rebuttal to anything I said.

Now, as I said earlier. Those other points I listed are all positive things, and Jesus Christ is ALL about the positives. You bark at me soley for the sake of ignorance. This tells me that, obviously, you are more child than you are adult -- at least mentally and emotionally.
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Really? That's your argument? That may get nominated for the ****tiest argument of the month award.

You toss out an insult, get totally destroyed and then try to weasel out of mess that collapsed on top of you. Man up. Seriously, so many immature children here.

You cannot even provide a single rebuttal to anything I said.
You cannot address any of the examples I posted.
You cannot show how family or goodwill are specifically Christ based.

Seems you need to rethink using personal attacks before reflecting on your own arguments. This is your last warning before I start treating you how I treat people I detest here.

Just to point out how you have failed I'm going to REPEAT the list of rituals that have nothing to do with Christianity but that you PERSONALLY insulted me over and that you have no response to DESPITE calling ME ignorant.

Since you think you are so smart, enough that you'll risk a TOS violation, want to explain to me how the follow traditions are from Christ?

Christmas Trees
Gift Giving (and it's whole slew of Commercialization)
Mistletoe
Yule Tide Logs
Eggnog
Frosty the Snowman
December 25 as Christ's Birthday (which it clearly cannot be based on the descriptions in the Bible)
Santa Claus
Christmas Stockings
Holly, Ivy and Greenery
Poinsettias
Jack Frost
Christmas cards

You serious? How is family, which has existed since the dawn of the first clan form of organism hierarchy proof of anything you say?
Christmas Caroling is related to Christ how? Sure we sing songs about Christ, but that doesn't that caroling in itself is BECAUSE of Christ. Furthermore, Roman Mummers during the holidays would go around in costume in troops singing. Sounds familiar?


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BTW, everyone should totally start hanging mistletoe over their bed, both above the pillows and another near the center of the mattress.
 
Dooble said:
Right. Your biased, idiot, notion of Conservatives and Liberals. Congratulations Captain Coourtesy, you've managed to capture and convey your true understanding of the issues in one fell swoop! ;)
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This is an excellent example of what I said. I did not claim that conservatives in general were closed minded and rigid. I claimed YOU were. And your post validates my perception. Good job.
 
It's a Christmas Tree. It's a tree for Christmas. It's not for any other holiday. Just like a Menorah isn't a holiday lamp. It's for a specific holiday. Just like you should say "Merry Christmas" on Christmas.
 
Everyone calls it a Christmas tree of course. But if I heard someone call it a holiday tree I wouldn't freak out and think the government is trying to destroy Christmas. :roll:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This is an excellent example of what I said. I did not claim that conservatives in general were closed minded and rigid. I claimed YOU were. And your post validates my perception. Good job.
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The Left constantly claims that, and your words reflect that mindset. You and I both know you were referring to the Right, in general. Nice try, but I saw right through it.
 
Dooble said:
The Left constantly claims that, and your words reflect that mindset. You and I both know you were referring to the Right, in general. Nice try, but I saw right through it.
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And rightwing extremists like you always fail at mindreading, as you did. I was referring to you... and with every post you make what I said more and more valid. Please continue.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
And rightwing extremists like you always fail at mindreading, as you did. I was referring to you... and with every post you make what I said more and more valid. Please continue.
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OK, you are lying.

A. You failed to single me out in your original op.
B. Liberals take shots like this all the time at Conservatives, and you were no exception.

There was no need to read your mind; your words spoke volumes. Give it a rest.
 
I would only trade the xmas tree for Seinfelds Festivus Pole.
 
obvious Child said:
Are you saying that Christianity is completely separate from the Old Testament? I know plenty of Christians who would severely disagree with that, including some who have argued you'd go to Hell for saying something like that.
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The New Testament on which Christianity is based upon is morally incompatible with the barbarism found in the Old Testament.

There are many examples that validate this moral incompatibility.

Remember, the Old Testament or TOrah informs the Judaic Religion or what we normally call the Orthodox Jewish Religion.

Ever wondered why Orthodox Jews reject the New Testament and Christianity?

I am not even sure why the Old and New Testaments are binded together in the same book.

(you turn the other cheek and take someone elses eye out at the same time now can you?)
 
Dooble said:
OK, you are lying.

A. You failed to single me out in your original op.
B. Liberals take shots like this all the time at Conservatives, and you were no exception.

There was no need to read your mind; your words spoke volumes. Give it a rest.
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Is CaptainCourtesy accurate?

Are you really a right wing extremist?
 
are there people who sit on holiday trees and have rest :mrgreen:
 
Klown-
that is the Glory of Christianity, you can cite the Holy Scripture to do either!

I shall henceforth call it the Taker Tree. I do so to honor those brave men and women of the Right wing who see anyone they don't care for living next to them receiving something for nothing. This is further re-enforced by those on the right who feel minors should have the full rights of adults in the chip in ID thread.

Those damn takers just sitting there dead set sure they will be slathered in free stuff because someone else did something long ago!

I do enjoy reading a 'conservative' seeing a shift in population as an attack on his religion.

Can't help but wonder how a 'conservative' can stand that long on their head to see Catholics as 'pagan-like'.

Seems to me these days the attack on Christmas would be from consumerism than any other front...

Gawd bless us, everyone...
 
wolfman24 said:
WHat about jewish and Muslim families in this country? Or other religious sects who put up a tree. I doubt they are willing to call it a Christ Mass Tree
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we usually call it new year tree.

in fact it is said that many people including ancient turks used to ornate trees with different pieces of colorful things to celebrate the spring season
 
Klown said:
Is CaptainCourtesy accurate?

Are you really a right wing extremist?
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Oh, heck no! Extremists are nutjobs. I am Conservative, however. I'm an Independent Conservative.
 
Dooble said:
Oh, heck no! Extremists are nutjobs. I am Conservative, however. I'm an Independent Conservative.
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Wait, how many posts have you ranted about the terminology of holiday tree vs christmas tree now and this supposed battle between christians and everyone else? Its amazing you can categorize yourself so.
 
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