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Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

Which one is it?

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Henrin said:
Are you really going to try to run away from clear language by telling me to look somewhere else? Oh right, the language is just "very general" lol..
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Are you really that naive? My town is proposing to provide free bus service to and from school each day for all elementary students in our public schools. The buses go right past the homes of parochial school students and right past our parochial schools. Our parochial school parents pay the same taxes as our other parents.

Please point to where in the First Amendment it is explained whether including parochial school students in our busing plan would be permitted or not permitted.
 
Cardinal Fang said:
LOL! Ever mired in the abyss of pop-culture.
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More excuses, Cardinal Fang? Something tells me that you're going to need to chew on a more expansive list. ;)

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Cardinal Fang said:
Well, that's quite a paranoid delusion on your part, but you can certainly believe such things if you like. Meanwhile, and as any serious source would confirm, political correctness can fairly be viewed as a harm-reduction initiative, one that was and still is needed in the face of the wanton abuse and debasement of some parts of our population by others. Some of that latter group are of course by now a lost cause. They were raised to value hatred and disrespect and they aren't about to be diverted from it now. But we can use them as negative examples in showing the next generation how truly ugly a state of bigotry can be. In that way, they too may serve in advancing our pursuit of a more just and inclusive society.
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I get what you're saying, officer, it's just that your stupid initiative has nothing to do with Common Courtesy. I understand your side's undying quest to change meanings of words, and even history itself, but at least be honest about your objectives. It's the least you can do.
 
Dooble said:
More excuses, Cardinal Fang? Something tells me that you're going to need to chew on a more expansive list.
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That's a step down from Bill Maher. At least he has actual writers behind him.

Dooble said:
I get what you're saying, officer, it's just that your stupid initiative has nothing to do with Common Courtesy.
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Of course it does. It is common courtesy not to engage in deliberate and gratuitous insult, abuse, and vilification of other people. This is not some matter of high etiquette. It is a matter of common courtesy that is owed to every individual who crosses your path.

Dooble said:
I understand your side's undying quest to change meanings of words, and even history itself, but at least be honest about your objectives. It's the least you can do.
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Yet more paranoia. The objective here is potty-training for those who didn't quite catch the last bits of that on the first go-around.
 
I also call them my "I eat babies" bush.
 
Cardinal Fang said:
How is it any more snarky than a manger scene? Here is the text...

"At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

This is a general statement of what atheists tend to believe. Why would those beliefs be snarky while statements of belief in sky gods and virgin births would not?

Meanwhile the sign is a holiday tradition. This is the 17th year one has stood during December in the Wisconsin State Capitol rotunda for example.
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Your kidding right? It is SO snarky. A manger scene is not snarky. It is a symbol of the birth of Jesus. YOUR symbol belittles others' beliefs. Therefore, snarky and bitchy too. :mrgreen:
 
Ikari said:
Well there's no choice. Atheists cannot stand being around religious symbols or words. Where's that at? I'm going to there and start belittling people myself before more atheists catch fire due to these reckless displays.
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I'll never tell! Can't have you starting a riot or something. :lol: I might then have to whip out the Bible. Then what?
 
ChrisL said:
I'll never tell! Can't have you starting a riot or something. :lol: I might then have to whip out the Bible. Then what?
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Then you just show how badly Christians still want to burn atheists at the stake. You already know it causes atheists to spontaneously break out in fire.
 
Ikari said:
Then you just show how badly Christians still want to burn atheists at the stake. You already know it causes atheists to spontaneously break out in fire.
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Yes, Kill Them All. That's my motto. :)
 
ChrisL said:
I'll never tell! Can't have you starting a riot or something. :lol: I might then have to whip out the Bible. Then what?
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I cannot understand anyone who "can't stand to be around a belief that is not his own." That includes atheists. When I was a junior in high school my father was sent to India with an agriculture aid program called Point 4. The purpose was to help the Indian government build an agriculture extension service similar to our system. In the US they work for one or more Universities and the US Dept of Agriculture in a cooperative program. Almost as soon as we got to the Hotel in New Delhi I took a train with others from the Delhi area which hooked up with other cars from all over India and Pakistan and ended up in Dehra Dun where we took buses to Mussoorie where we had our luggage transported by mule and we walked about 4 miles to the boarding school I attended. It was an adventure of a life time, except for the school food:) The whole adventure was great from attending such a fine school to living in Lucknow where the family was situated to spending time in the Colonization Projects in which the government was building homes and clearing farmland for the refugees from Pakistan after the partition.

I went to school with Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jain, Christians, Buddhists and Jewish and in our home we had a Hindu Bearer, a Muslim Cook and a Christian houseboy who was called a "sweeper". He was of the untouchable group but was actually the most educated of the bunch. We also shared a dobhi (washerman), a derzi (tailor). There is no welfare in India so it is expected of anyone middle class up to hire servants IAW ones income and place in life. Mama really liked it.

What is the point of all this? If Christians can't accept atheists without issue, or atheists can't abide religious without issue, no matter how much or what any of us worship, then people just aren't worth crap. I get tired of people complaining about Romney was a Morman, Christians want a Nativity scene, and someone else does not want to be confronted with any worship of any kind or style. Ergo, I have a Christmas tree. I don't have a holiday tree. I have a Nativity scene in my living room. I also have a statue of Buddha which my father found in the Jungles of Burma during WWII at an old deserted temple which had been retaken by the jungle. If anyone doesn't like it, they can go straight to hell without passing go and collecting $200. After that experience in India, which taught me the most important thing in life, religious (or areligious) tolerance. When I did research about religions I CHOSE the most common Christian faith in the world because to me their doctrine more closely followed the New Testament and was the basis for all of the New Testaments printed today. Even the King James version which is quite popular among some denominations is nothing more than an English Translation of the original Christian New Testament. The reason I CHOSE this faith is because it was the most inclusive faith I found. It does not exclude the truths of any other religion to include the eastern religions. There, now you have it. What are you going to do about it? :)
 
ChrisL said:
Your kidding right? It is SO snarky. A manger scene is not snarky. It is a symbol of the birth of Jesus. YOUR symbol belittles others' beliefs. Therefore, snarky and bitchy too. :mrgreen:
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I agree with you. Scenes such as was described belittling other peoples beliefs is one sign of bigotry. I put up what I believe. I do not criticize what others believe, to do so is equally bigoted.
 
dnsmith said:
I cannot understand anyone who "can't stand to be around a belief that is not his own." That includes atheists. When I was a junior in high school my father was sent to India with an agriculture aid program called Point 4. The purpose was to help the Indian government build an agriculture extension service similar to our system. In the US they work for one or more Universities and the US Dept of Agriculture in a cooperative program. Almost as soon as we got to the Hotel in New Delhi I took a train with others from the Delhi area which hooked up with other cars from all over India and Pakistan and ended up in Dehra Dun where we took buses to Mussoorie where we had our luggage transported by mule and we walked about 4 miles to the boarding school I attended. It was an adventure of a life time, except for the school food:) The whole adventure was great from attending such a fine school to living in Lucknow where the family was situated to spending time in the Colonization Projects in which the government was building homes and clearing farmland for the refugees from Pakistan after the partition.

I went to school with Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jain, Christians, Buddhists and Jewish and in our home we had a Hindu Bearer, a Muslim Cook and a Christian houseboy who was called a "sweeper". He was of the untouchable group but was actually the most educated of the bunch. We also shared a dobhi (washerman), a derzi (tailor). There is no welfare in India so it is expected of anyone middle class up to hire servants IAW ones income and place in life. Mama really liked it.

What is the point of all this? If Christians can't accept atheists without issue, or atheists can't abide religious without issue, no matter how much or what any of us worship, then people just aren't worth crap. I get tired of people complaining about Romney was a Morman, Christians want a Nativity scene, and someone else does not want to be confronted with any worship of any kind or style. Ergo, I have a Christmas tree. I don't have a holiday tree. I have a Nativity scene in my living room. I also have a statue of Buddha which my father found in the Jungles of Burma during WWII at an old deserted temple which had been retaken by the jungle. If anyone doesn't like it, they can go straight to hell without passing go and collecting $200. After that experience in India, which taught me the most important thing in life, religious (or areligious) tolerance. When I did research about religions I CHOSE the most common Christian faith in the world because to me their doctrine more closely followed the New Testament and was the basis for all of the New Testaments printed today. Even the King James version which is quite popular among some denominations is nothing more than an English Translation of the original Christian New Testament. The reason I CHOSE this faith is because it was the most inclusive faith I found. It does not exclude the truths of any other religion to include the eastern religions. There, now you have it. What are you going to do about it? :)
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I'm not going to anything about it. :lol: I just think that nativity scenes and Christmas trees and Menorahs should probably be left out of all government buildings. I wonder how much money are they spending on these decorations for one thing. For another thing, it would avoid stupid conflicts like this. :)
 
In the end it is just a bunch of holier than thou atheists judging people of faith whom they neurotically believe are judging them. In insisting we eradicate all public anything doing with religion, they are just hoping for more company in the event they are wrong about religion.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
I like my babies as I prefer my oysters - raw with a hint of hot sauce.
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LOVE the oysters that way! Never thought to try it with babies though. Thanks for the tip.
 
ChrisL said:
Your kidding right? It is SO snarky. A manger scene is not snarky. It is a symbol of the birth of Jesus. YOUR symbol belittles others' beliefs. Therefore, snarky and bitchy too. :mrgreen:
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Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye./

-- Luke 6:42
 
Cardinal Fang said:
That's a step down from Bill Maher. At least he has actual writers behind him.
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And he also gets a pass from the pc enforcement team.... lucky cuss ;)


Cardinal Fang said:
Of course it does.
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Of course it doesn't. The PC directive is to facilitate the upper hand for minorities and the LGBT community, while dumping on Conservatives at the same time.


Cardinal Fang said:
Yet more paranoia. The objective here is potty-training for those who didn't quite catch the last bits of that on the first go-around.
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And you STILL don't have the common courtesy to wipe up the bathroom after you've finished your toilet training for the day.
 
Dooble said:
And he also gets a pass from the pc enforcement team.... lucky cuss ;)
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Not sure that he does or doesn't, but as an entertainer speaking about public figures, he would have some latitutde that your average "man" in the street would not have.

Dooble said:
Of course it doesn't. The PC directive is to facilitate the upper hand for minorities and the LGBT community, while dumping on Conservatives at the same time.
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Well, those who would choose to express their "conservatism" through deliberate and gratuitous verbal insult and injury to minorities or LGBT's reveal something about themselves that is worthy of strong criticism. Being reviled as non-PC is really kind of a smalll price to pay. We might have to up the stakes at some point.

Dooble said:
And you STILL don't have the common courtesy to wipe up the bathroom after you've finished your toilet training for the day.
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Hmmm. I guess that's more of that manly conservative talk. Plainly, you're out of actual answers at this point and have been for a while. You are expected to show common courtesy toward every other individual. This -- like taxes -- is one of the things you OWE to society. Do what you must to prepare yourself for meeting that obligation.
 
Cardinal Fang said:
Not sure that he does or doesn't,
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You're not sure of anything that weakens your argument. Nice dodge. ;)

Cardinal Fang said:
Well, those who would choose to express their "conservatism" through deliberate and gratuitous verbal insult and injury to minorities or LGBT's reveal something about themselves that is worthy of strong criticism.
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You're talking about a very small minority of the Right. PC enforcement is all encompassing.

Cardinal Fang said:
Being reviled as non-PC is really kind of a smalll price to pay. We might have to up the stakes at some point.
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I don't see why you shouldn't, given that political correctness has nothing to do with common courtesy, in the first place. ;)

Cardinal Fang said:
Hmmm. I guess that's more of that manly conservative talk.
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Actually, it's me having fun with what little you have left to offer. It won't be long before your comments become nothing more than an occasional minor distraction.
 
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Cardinal Fang said:
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye./

-- Luke 6:42
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Well it's nice to see you acknowledge your hypocrisy to the Lord.
 
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