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Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

Are You Interested In More Nuclear Power?

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joko104 said:
Nuclear power is NOT a renewable and is outrageously expensive. If asked what is THE most expensive facility to built, what takes THE longest to build, what is THE most expensive to operate, and which one can potentially render an entire region uninhabitable for 10,000 years - and the answer to all is nuclear power.
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Nuclear is expensive. On the other hand it produces a tremendous amount of power. So it's cost per kWh is actually very low, often less than coal. And no nuclear plant has ever rendered any region uninhabitable for 10,000 years. That is strictly supposition.
 
Canell said:
It exists in Wikipedia. :)

in the fiction category

Yeah, but you can't supply a skyscraper with a solar heater, you need something more powerful.
not many people live in skyscrapers, so not much hot water needed....



That's good but we can't just throw our existing infrastructure away, that wouldn't be so green.
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never said anything like that....these things have to be phased in, with phasors set on stun for the slow to get it crowd...
 
Tigger said:
No he is not, though his death cannot be attributed to the three years he worked security at the plant.
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How old was he when he passed on?
 
joko104 said:
Nuclear power is NOT a renewable and is outrageously expensive. If asked what is THE most expensive facility to built, what takes THE longest to build, what is THE most expensive to operate, and which one can potentially render an entire region uninhabitable for 10,000 years - and the answer to all is nuclear power.
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we have lots of uranium on hand, so it doesn't need to be renewable...
a "clean" coal plant, with latest scrubbing technology, costs as much as nuclear...
New Jersey is "uninhabitable", yet people live there...:roll:
 
madman said:
hummm, i didnt know that. That CANT be good for our drinking water.
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Oh yeah, and that's just one of many. Then there are the mystery chems that the fluid users won't reveal (different fracking fluids are trade secrets).
 
Klown said:
Get hold of a KiCKs study conducted by Germany

The incidence of cancer in children living near nuclear power plants is higher than the normal levels

Nuclear power plants routinely release tritium, zenon and krypton etc into the environment

The French also conducted similar studies and found the same effects

In Fukushima post meltdown about 57,000 children were tested and about 42% had abnormal Thyroid glands (the normal Thyroid abnormality rate in children is less than 1%(

Fukushima still melting down and releasing radionuclide

Nuclear power and its waste is the most insane human activity in history

And lets not mention nuclear weapons which is the main reason nuclear power plants are built (ie to get Plutonium which is a by product of nuclear fissioning of Uranium)
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long time ago I took a college class that discussed all sources of electricity for the USA, and compared them.
first, commercial nuclear power has NOTHING to do with plutonium production...
second, some dipstick professor in the Chicago did a study that says the same thing you do about cancers downwind, but he thought westerly winds means winds that go west.....instead of out of the west....so he proved that living downwind of a nuke plant is safer.
Nuclear is not insane, war for oil is insane...
greenies are finally getting smart and supporting nuclear, as the ONLY alternative to nuclear is coal which is very dirty....we all breathe a little pollution every day from coal, and radioactive contamination when the radioisotopes in coal get burned, and mercury, and, and, and.....
 
UtahBill said:
greenies are finally getting smart and supporting nuclear, as the ONLY alternative to nuclear is coal which is very dirty....we all breathe a little pollution every day from coal, and radioactive contamination when the radioisotopes in coal get burned, and mercury, and, and, and.....
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The "green" oppisition to nuclear power illustrates that what they REALLY seek is the wide-spread implementation of inefficient generation systems that will raise energy costs, all as a means to force people to consume less energy, and therefore produce less wealth.

Environmentalists are like watermellons - green on the outside, red in the middle.
 
H. Lee White said:
The "green" oppisition to nuclear power illustrates that what they REALLY seek is the wide-spread implementation of inefficient generation systems that will raise energy costs, all as a means to force people to consume less energy, and therefore produce less wealth.

Environmentalists are like watermellons - green on the outside, red in the middle.
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that reminds me, I need a new tinfoil hat, got any leads on good deals? I will buy a large quantity if it gets me a good discount...:roll:
 
I'm hardly a "greenie", but I am a conservationist. I know there are costs and risks associated with every form of energy generation. Some risks I'm willing to take, others, not so much. It's a balancing act.
 
joko104 said:
Nuclear power is NOT a renewable and is outrageously expensive. If asked what is THE most expensive facility to built, what takes THE longest to build, what is THE most expensive to operate, and which one can potentially render an entire region uninhabitable for 10,000 years - and the answer to all is nuclear power.
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Exactly. The issue also comes with storing the waste, which is why I'm starkly against nuclear power.
 
waas said:
Exactly. The issue also comes with storing the waste, which is why I'm starkly against nuclear power.
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we store coal wastes out in the open, the rains come, the crap leaches into the soil, runoff puts it in our rivers, during dry seasons the wind blows it into the air...
Nuclear wastes don't hurt anybody, they are contained...and we could always go back to burial at sea....in subduction zones....
 
UtahBill said:
we store coal wastes out in the open, the rains come, the crap leaches into the soil, runoff puts it in our rivers, during dry seasons the wind blows it into the air...
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I know. We also release it as fly ash.

Nuclear wastes don't hurt anybody, they are contained...
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They're contained on site at nuclear power plants, which makes them ideal targets for terrorists. See, if these things get out in the open...

Further, these wastes can be used weaponry.

and we could always go back to burial at sea....in subduction zones....
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GENIUS :mrgreen:
 
waas said:
They're contained on site at nuclear power plants, which makes them ideal targets for terrorists. See, if these things get out in the open...

Further, these wastes can be used weaponry.
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And that's why I would like to see Thorium nuclear plants (one of many reasons). It's not easy to misuse for weapons.
 
waas said:
I know. We also release it as fly ash.


They're contained on site at nuclear power plants, which makes them ideal targets for terrorists. See, if these things get out in the open...

Further, these wastes can be used weaponry.


GENIUS :mrgreen:
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for a terrorist organization to get hold of a spent fuel rod, they would have to attack the facility to get IN while dragging a dry cask behind them. Then they have to load the spent fuel into the dry cask without exposing themselves to the incredible amount of radiation that is currently being shielded by 20 feet of water, or more. Think almost instant death if they don't do it right. Then they would have to fight their way OUT against the helicopter gunships that will have arrived while they were busing loading the spent fuel into the dry cask. And it takes a heavy duty tractor trailer rig to haul away the cask, which would have a dozen or so flat tires by now.
Terrorist, at best, might be able to pump the water OUT of the spent fuel pool causing damage to the fuel, but it is a lot of water, and it would take a lot of time. The pumps they have on site are not likely designed to rapidly empty any tank, much less a spent fuel pool.
Long story short, not gonna happen...especially when in only a few more years, they can just buy spent fuel from Iran...
 
Let's compromise. We create a nuclear reactor that powers a light that is converted to photovoltaic energy.
 
Fisher said:
Let's compromise. We create a nuclear reactor that powers a light that is converted to photovoltaic energy.
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already have it, the sun, and God holds all the patents...
 
UtahBill said:
Long story short, not gonna happen...especially when in only a few more years, they can just buy spent fuel from Iran...
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Exactly. Why make an impossible assault on an American nuclear plant when they probably won't even have to "buy" it from Iran?
 
UtahBill said:
already have it, the sun, and God holds all the patents...
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Please, only yankees get it 24 hours a day. Giant floodlights on nuclear powered satellites are the wave of the future. Richard Branson, GE, and Bruce Wayne would all invest.
 
Fisher said:
Please, only yankees get it 24 hours a day. Giant floodlights on nuclear powered satellites are the wave of the future. Richard Branson, GE, and Bruce Wayne would all invest.
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Why not just have satellites collecting power from the largest spotlight in our solar system?
 
UtahBill said:
already have it, the sun, and God holds all the patents...
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We're working on reverse engineering that patent. I'm not holding my breath, mind you, but I do hope the ITER fusion project works out.

ITER (originally an acronym of International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) is an international nuclear fusion research and engineering project, which is currently building the world's largest and most advanced experimental tokamak nuclear fusion reactor at the Cadarache facility in the south of France.[1] The ITER project aims to make the long-awaited transition from experimental studies of plasma physics to full-scale electricity-producing fusion power plants. The project is funded and run by seven member entities — the European Union (EU), India, Japan, China, Russia, South Korea and the United States. The EU, as host party for the ITER complex, is contributing 45% of the cost, with the other six parties contributing 9% each.[2][3][4]

The ITER fusion reactor itself has been designed to produce 500 megawatts of output power for 50 megawatts of input power, or ten times the amount of energy put in.[5] The machine is expected to demonstrate the principle of producing more energy from the fusion process than is used to initiate it, something that has not yet been achieved with previous fusion reactors. Construction of the facility began in 2007, and the first plasma is expected to be produced in 2020.[6] When ITER becomes operational, it will become the largest magnetic confinement plasma physics experiment in use, surpassing the Joint European Torus. The first commercial demonstration fusion power plant, named DEMO, is proposed to follow on from the ITER project to bring fusion energy to the commercial market.[7]
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ITER - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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EagleAye said:
Why not just have satellites collecting power from the largest spotlight in our solar system?
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Because that would not be a compromise between the Glow-Worms and the Granolas, which is more important than one side winning over the other. Rising tide lifting all boats; variety is the spice of life; etc.
 
Fisher said:
Because that would not be a compromise between the Glow-Worms and the Granolas, which is more important than one side winning over the other. Rising tide lifting all boats; variety is the spice of life; etc.
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I think I'd rather have something that is a practical solution.
 
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