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Did you watch Ron Paul's Farewell Address or Obama's Conference?

Did you watch Ron Paul's Farewell Address or Obama's Conference?


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The other day Ron Paul gave his farewell speech to congress :(

In another attempt to shut out Ron Paul's message, President Obama decided to hold his conference(I honestly dont care wtf it was) at the EXACT. SAME. TIME. :doh

So which one did you watch? Ron Paul's Farewell Address or Obama's conference....or neither?
 
I personally watched Ron Paul's Farewell Address, and I very much enjoyed it. Although I am very sad he's retiring. We'll never have another congressman like him.
 
Neither, but I would be more interested in Obama's than Paul's. Paul's highlights seemed to be "America's days are behind her." That's hardly the case, and it's been a common rally cry for quite an extended period of American history.
 
I watched Ron Paul's Farewell address.

I frankly don't care to listen to Obama say anything.
 
I only saw Ron Paul's via youtube link after it had occurred. Have not watched Obama's.

Americans are losing a great ally by Paul retiring, regardless of how anybody views his politics.
 
The other day Ron Paul gave his farewell speech to congress :(

In another attempt to shut out Ron Paul's message, President Obama decided to hold his conference(I honestly dont care wtf it was) at the EXACT. SAME. TIME. :doh

So which one did you watch? Ron Paul's Farewell Address or Obama's conference....or neither?

Yes, the President of the United States was worried about the threat from Ron Paul and hosted his event just to shut him out. Because you know, he's that much of a threat. The alternate reality some people live in is astounding.
 
The other day Ron Paul gave his farewell speech to congress :(

In another attempt to shut out Ron Paul's message, President Obama decided to hold his conference(I honestly dont care wtf it was) at the EXACT. SAME. TIME. :doh

So which one did you watch? Ron Paul's Farewell Address or Obama's conference....or neither?

Yeah, because the first thing on Obama's mind every day is 'how can I screw Ron Paul'?

You've got to stop these delusions of grandeur. The only people who care about Paul is the 1% of the population that is Libertarian.
 
The other day Ron Paul gave his farewell speech to congress :(

In another attempt to shut out Ron Paul's message, President Obama decided to hold his conference(I honestly dont care wtf it was) at the EXACT. SAME. TIME. :doh

So which one did you watch? Ron Paul's Farewell Address or Obama's conference....or neither?

I will watch his farewell address tonight, but no way would I have picked Obama's conference over Paul's speech.
 
Neither, and I don't care about Ron Paul anyway, so nothing to fret about.
 
I personally watched Ron Paul's Farewell Address, and I very much enjoyed it. Although I am very sad he's retiring. We'll never have another congressman like him.

Hopefully not, the guy was a whack-a-doodle. Wholly unrealistic fiscally, out of his gourd internationally and entirely moronic religiously. Can we please keep other idiots of this caliber out of the government?
 
entirely moronic religiously.

What does his religion have to do with his politics? He's as good as anyone at keeping the two separate.
 
What does his religion have to do with his politics? He's as good as anyone at keeping the two separate.

Conservatives don't like Ron Paul because they think Conservatism=Imperialism. It has nothing to do with his religion.
This may be different for Geoist, but I sincerely doubt it.

Paul was not a fan of the current Imperialistic method of Republican Foreign Policy, and they view him as weak because of it.

Bill Text - 107th Congress (2001-2002) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
(a) The President of the United States is authorized and requested to commission, under officially issued letters of marque and reprisal, so many of privately armed and equipped persons and entities as, in his judgment, the service may require, with suitable instructions to the leaders thereof, to employ all means reasonably necessary to seize outside the geographic boundaries of the United States and its territories the person and property of Osama bin Laden, of any al Qaeda co-conspirator, and of any conspirator with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda who are responsible for the air piratical aggressions and depredations perpetrated upon the United States of America on September 11, 2001, and for any planned future air piratical aggressions and depredations or other acts of war upon the United States of America and her people.

Translation of above:
Osama Bin Laden, We are putting a hit out on you, available to anyone willing to take it.
 
Conservatives don't like Ron Paul because they think Conservatism=Imperialism.

Unfortunately, that is the case. I don't agree with Paul on everything (how to reform tax system namely) but if one has disagreements over his ideology at least be honest and thoughtful about it.

Seriously, a conservative raging over a Republican's religion (a Republican who likes to keep his faith private too). That is just ridiculous.
 
I watched Ron Paul's farewell speech and it was very well delivered. He is one of the last true statesman in Congress, but has paved a way to a Liberty movement in this country. He has brought the ideas of fiscal responsibility, small government, and civil liberties to the people and it has been well received. Dr. Paul could not be bought. He did not support any special interest group, and was true to his principles for his entire stay in Congress.

People call him crazy, but when one actually looks into what he is saying...they find out that it makes a hell of a lot more sense then a lot of the BS going on now.
 
What does his religion have to do with his politics? He's as good as anyone at keeping the two separate.

Anyone who rejects the strongest science (evolution) if favor of the most absurdly ridiculous religion (creationism) has no business in public office.
 
Anyone who rejects the strongest science (evolution) if favor of the most absurdly ridiculous religion (creationism) has no business in public office.

1. Creationism is not a religion.

2. That leaves about 80% of your fellow Republicans out.

3. How does his view on creationism affect public policy?
 
Further proof of neoconservative failure, and why the GOP keep shooting themselves in the foot by disenfranchising Libertarian minded Republicans;





 
His legacy lives on through Rand and honestly I watched Obamas. There are things the Paul's stand for I'm 100% against and others 100% for. I hope the Republicans continue to slowly steal their good ideas so the party becomes sane again. My granddaddy ran for state senate in SC a few times against other Republicans that for sure would beat him, but he would promise to do great things that they would turn around and promise as well. It worked and Lexington County and others in SC were better for it.
 
1. Creationism is not a religion.

Not in and of itself, it is a part of a particular sectarian belief, which Paul does hold, which demonstrates an anti-science, anti-reality view of the world around us. It's one thing that politicians play to the religious right to get votes, it's another that they not only swill the Koolade but Paul dumps it down his throat by the gallon.

2. That leaves about 80% of your fellow Republicans out.

Whatever makes you think I excuse anyone who does it?

3. How does his view on creationism affect public policy?

It certainly affects how he sees education, church-state separation, etc. How can you not see that?
 
The other day Ron Paul gave his farewell speech to congress :(

In another attempt to shut out Ron Paul's message, President Obama decided to hold his conference(I honestly dont care wtf it was) at the EXACT. SAME. TIME. :doh

So which one did you watch? Ron Paul's Farewell Address or Obama's conference....or neither?

Neither. I care about actual policy, not theatrics. You guys also need to cut the "OMFG conspiracy!" crap. It's tiresome and way overplayed.
 
The other day Ron Paul gave his farewell speech to congress :(

In another attempt to shut out Ron Paul's message, President Obama decided to hold his conference(I honestly dont care wtf it was) at the EXACT. SAME. TIME. :doh

So which one did you watch? Ron Paul's Farewell Address or Obama's conference....or neither?




I was working during the Obama presser. I saw some highlights.

The little girl in the Commercial was a tougher questioner of Ray Lewis than the adoring, fawning press corp.

What's your bedtime? Do you like my dress?

How about something like why did you not allow Susan Rice to tell the actual story that you knew was true and why did you for several weeks intentionally hide the fact that Al Qaeda was the planning force?
 
Not in and of itself, it is a part of a particular sectarian belief, which Paul does hold, which demonstrates an anti-science, anti-reality view of the world around us. It's one thing that politicians play to the religious right to get votes, it's another that they not only swill the Koolade but Paul dumps it down his throat by the gallon.

More generalizations. You might as well say anyone who isn't an atheist is unfit to hold public office.



Whatever makes you think I excuse anyone who does it?

Who have you voted for in the past presidential elections?


It certainly affects how he sees education, church-state separation, etc. How can you not see that?

1. He believes education should be left to the states to handle. In his "ideal world" he would want parents to be able to choose the school that they think is right for their child, whether it emphasizes a spiritual view of the world or secular one. Unlike most of his fellow Republicans he did not push for mandatory teaching of intelligent design.

2. He does not believe religion should dictate public policy. Show me evidence he does.

Instead of giving me more generalizations how about something concrete? For example, give me a bill he has proposed that pushes his religious beliefs. I think all of us hold certain beliefs, whether religious or secular, that other people may consider "crazy". What is important is whether the politicians allow the citizens to practice and hold their beliefs freely without threat of persecution. I believe Ron Paul was as good as any at doing that.
 
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Here is Ron Paul's take on the subject:

"My personal view is that recognizing the validity of an evolutionary process does not support atheism nor should it diminish one's view about God and the universe.

From my viewpoint, this is a debate about science and religion (and I wish it could be more civil!) and should not involve politicians at all...

The real problem comes when government gets involved in this issue, whether the goal is to push theocracy or merely prayer in a public place, or the opposite, to crush all traces of faith expression in public places...

Most of the conflict between atheists and believers comes up because of public schools... it's a major hot button issue because the school curriculum and all standards of behavior are dictated by the federal government, the Department of Education, and the federal courts.

In a private setting, the 'owners' set the rules and participants come with an understanding of the rules regarding prayer and religious expression and what one wants to hear about evolution. This still leaves some problems with the possibility that local schools will overstep the bounds of etiquette or will use some textbooks considered to be offensive to one group or another. In this case, the closest one can come to having the 'owner' decide would be for the local school board to make the decision and be subject to public challenge at the polls. The Supreme Court handing down edicts that apply to every single circumstance around the country is not a solution."



So Cephus, please point to me where he wants to force any person or institution to adhere to his personal and private beliefs.
 
I watched both. I watched Obama's conference live then i watched Ron Paul's farewell address on YouTube.
And this is what i have to say to ol Ron: Congressman Ron Paul, although i did not agree with pretty much all of your economic policies, however i did agree with your anti interventionist, anti imperialist foreign policy, and your pro civil liberties social policy, you were a great Congressman and was not afraid to speak your mind. You will be missed Congressman Paul.
 
1. He believes education should be left to the states to handle. In his "ideal world" he would want parents to be able to choose the school that they think is right for their child, whether it emphasizes a spiritual view of the world or secular one. Unlike most of his fellow Republicans he did not push for mandatory teaching of intelligent design.

Which is problematic because it gets rid of national standards for education. You'll have the south teaching creationism, you'll have the liberal states teaching "feel-good" nonsense, any kid transferring from one state to another is going to walk into an entirely different educational system and high school diplomas won't mean a thing because there won't be a single standard required to receive one. No thanks.

2. He does not believe religion should dictate public policy. Show me evidence he does.

Beliefs inherently inform our actions. When one has faulty beliefs, even if they are not actively trying to apply them, they will impact one's decisions. Ron Paul, because of his religious beliefs, is openly against gay marriage, contraception, abortion, separation of church and state, etc. I can point out all of these in speeches he's given if you'd like.
 
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