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Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

Will there ever be a global government on Earth?

  • Yes, it is ultimately inevitable

    Votes: 17 22.7%

  • Likely so

    Votes: 17 22.7%

  • About a 50-50 chance

    Votes: 3 4.0%

  • Probably not

    Votes: 22 29.3%

  • Never, it is impossible

    Votes: 16 21.3%
  • Total voters
    75
With any luck, over my descendants' dead bodies.
 
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I said there's about a 50/50 chance because I'm sort of mixed about this. There has already been a sweeping globalization of markets, so it's natural to think the progression will lead to a global government. On the other hand, there could probably be a global government that could govern covertly, rather than officially, via monetary policy.

Finally, if a global government were to ever become direly necessary, I'd intuit there being a solid chance the conditions would become so severe so quickly that the ensuing chaos would plunge us into a world war before a global government could establish itself.

Actually, a global war would probably precede the establishment of a new world order, as only that would push people to the brink of desperation to be able to accept that sort of thing.

Meh. I still say 50/50.
 
Krhazy said:
And what series of events would need to occur for such a government to come into existence?
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A single world government may not be possible, but globalization is increasing global awareness and redefining policies from a national to a global scale. Free trade and the World Bank have largely ended protectionist economies and we are in the process of creating a completely global economy. There may never be a single government which dictates the entire globe, but we are getting very close to each individuals governments becoming ever increasingly interdependent on one another.
 
How would they be able to feed people on a daily basis... Even if everyone on the world shared food equally each person would have like 1800 calories daily... I don't know about anyone else but I sure as hell like to eat, and a lot at that
 
Common said:
How would they be able to feed people on a daily basis... Even if everyone on the world shared food equally each person would have like 1800 calories daily... I don't know about anyone else but I sure as hell like to eat, and a lot at that
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If that's the end-goal, you don't feed them directly. You build infrastructure which allows that region or people to be self sustaining. Doing this, I assume the area would also be industrialized.
 
Surtr said:
If that's the end-goal, you don't feed them directly. You build infrastructure which allows that region or people to be self sustaining. Doing this, I assume the area would also be industrialized.
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Ehhh I think I'll just stick to my occasional steaks and chicken dinners for now.
 
Why would you ever desire such a thing?

It's insane.
 
Krhazy said:
And what series of events would need to occur for such a government to come into existence?
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I don't know. But I think it is inevitable on the long run ... on the very long run ... maybe in the range of 500 to 1000 years from now, or more.

I don't think it will happen or is desirable before we have developed a global culture, due to modern technologies on the field of communication, travel and before the intermixing of races, nationalities and peoples.
 
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Surtr said:
Who said I desire it? A global confederation seems like the most likely of outcomes.
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It is not the most likely of outcomes... it is just a nightmare.

We do not need a single government to have cooperation. We do however need a single government if we want slavery.
 
Rainman05 said:
It is not the most likely of outcomes... it is just a nightmare.
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We've been building towards it since at least 1919. A global confederation will happen one day.

We do not need a single government to have cooperation. We do however need a single government if we want slavery.
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I'm going to assume that you don't know what a confederation is.
 
Sarcogito said:
Well, that is demonstrably false.
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Surtr said:
We've been building towards it since at least 1919. A global confederation will happen one day.


I'm going to assume that you don't know what a confederation is.
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You mean the League of Nations? And then the UN and all that? That isn't a global government.

And the EU is something like a confederation... only a top-down form of confederation.

Switzerland is, as far as I am aware, the only federation that can be called a confederation in its purest form. I like it, but it works for Switzerland, not the world.

However, a global government is one of genocidal notions, up there with one culture, one people, one everything. It brings over the stench of monopolism and communism.
 
Rainman05 said:
You mean the League of Nations? And then the UN and all that? That isn't a global government.

And the EU is something like a confederation... only a top-down form of confederation.

Switzerland is, as far as I am aware, the only federation that can be called a confederation in its purest form. I like it, but it works for Switzerland, not the world.

However, a global government is one of genocidal notions, up there with one culture, one people, one everything. It brings over the stench of monopolism and communism.
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You said we need a single government if we want slavery. Throughout recorded history the world has NEVER had a single government and has ALWAYS had slavery. Thus, your claim is false.
 
Paul Austin said:
One sixth of the worlds population live under one government, so why not one day?
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99% of the population is one race, where there are thousands of races on Earth. And even with 99% of the population being Han Chinese, the Chinese government is still racked with protests and clashes from the other 1% constantly
 
I find anybody who believes in a one world goverernment to be naive. Not only is it morally, politically, economically, socially objectable, given the tendencies of humanity during the past millenias, I find it very hardly. Perhaps after a millenia or two, but now? Not so.
 
Proud South Korean said:
99% of the population is one race, where there are thousands of races on Earth. And even with 99% of the population being Han Chinese, the Chinese government is still racked with protests and clashes from the other 1% constantly
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Actually they are far more ethnically diverse than that, but regardless its still one government controlling about 1/6th of the worlds population.
 
Paul Austin said:
Actually they are far more ethnically diverse than that, but regardless its still one government controlling about 1/6th of the worlds population.
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So you want such a repressive and dictatorial government?
 
Proud South Korean said:
So you want such a repressive and dictatorial government?
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No, I merely observe that it indicates that such a venture is possible.

Indeed, if merely the top two largest countries combined their government would control 30% of the people, & if the top ten combined their government would control over 50% & with the power & wealth they held theyd pretty much control the world.

Its not really that hard to imagine, however imagining it doesnt mean that I support it.

I personally think it will be a very sad day on the day it happens, but I do think, at present, its the direction the people are taking the world in.

There is a bit of a battle going on, at the moment between the individualists & the collectivists & the collectivists appear on top at present.

Its sort of like ants.

Ants have colonies, & super-colonies & the super-colonies are currently driving the regular colonies to extinction.
 
Krhazy said:
And what series of events would need to occur for such a government to come into existence?
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only one thing can happen that will bring all earthings together under one ruler....a take over by non-earthlings....but we all know that there is no other life forms out there because if there was, we would be sending them financial aid
 
Sarcogito said:
You said we need a single government if we want slavery. Throughout recorded history the world has NEVER had a single government and has ALWAYS had slavery. Thus, your claim is false.
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No, it isn't.

First off, you are falsely representing my statement to suit your own debating purposes... but I don't know who you are intending to debate on false premises. But I will get to this soon.

Yes, slavery is the default status quo of the world. Everywhere, in the world there had been nations who have adopted slavery in some form or another, on all continents, on all islands. It was in fact until European countries in the late XVIIIth have decided to abolish slavery that this... form of social strata had begun to be destroyed. Again, this is world wide. There were isolated cases all over the world... maybe even not so isolated, where slavery was modified to be more civil... or rather, less barbaric. But it was Europeans who made it possible for the greatest egalitarian movement in history to happen. No other people could have done it.

But. My statement that if we want slavery we should adopt a global government doesn't mean that we never had slavery before. It just means that if we want to enslave ourselves, deny ourselves our rights and be all subjected to an undemocratic rule of oligarchs, then yes, we should adopt a global government. There has never been one, that is true. But if there will be one, it will be horrible. You, the little person, the small man, will be squashed under the boots of the bureaucracy, the oligarchs and the undemocratic. Granted, slavery will never return to the form it was 200 years ago. As neither will fascism or communism return to the way they were in their "glory days". But there are always new forms of enslavement, of tyranny, and even now, we are subjected to them. All in the name of bigger government.

Also, by "never" I mean during our lifetime (60-100 years). Not really never. Because as Justin Bieber said: never say never :p. The last part was my attempt at humor.
 
Rainman05 said:
No, it isn't.

First off, you are falsely representing my statement to suit your own debating purposes... but I don't know who you are intending to debate on false premises. But I will get to this soon.

Yes, slavery is the default status quo of the world. Everywhere, in the world there had been nations who have adopted slavery in some form or another, on all continents, on all islands. It was in fact until European countries in the late XVIIIth have decided to abolish slavery that this... form of social strata had begun to be destroyed. Again, this is world wide. There were isolated cases all over the world... maybe even not so isolated, where slavery was modified to be more civil... or rather, less barbaric. But it was Europeans who made it possible for the greatest egalitarian movement in history to happen. No other people could have done it.

But. My statement that if we want slavery we should adopt a global government doesn't mean that we never had slavery before. It just means that if we want to enslave ourselves, deny ourselves our rights and be all subjected to an undemocratic rule of oligarchs, then yes, we should adopt a global government. There has never been one, that is true. But if there will be one, it will be horrible. You, the little person, the small man, will be squashed under the boots of the bureaucracy, the oligarchs and the undemocratic. Granted, slavery will never return to the form it was 200 years ago. As neither will fascism or communism return to the way they were in their "glory days". But there are always new forms of enslavement, of tyranny, and even now, we are subjected to them. All in the name of bigger government.

Also, by "never" I mean during our lifetime (60-100 years). Not really never. Because as Justin Bieber said: never say never :p. The last part was my attempt at humor.
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I disagree that a global government would necessarily be an oligarchy rather than a democracy. Given today's culture it is likely an oligarchy would win out. But in the future, one in which it is highly likely the world would be much more interconnected than even the internet dependent world of today, I believe the will of the people will be much more influential.

But I think we can both agree, that whatever that world looks like, let's hope Bieber doesn't make it onto the oldies stations. :)
 
Sarcogito said:
I disagree that a global government would necessarily be an oligarchy rather than a democracy. Given today's culture it is likely an oligarchy would win out. But in the future, one in which it is highly likely the world would be much more interconnected than even the internet dependent world of today, I believe the will of the people will be much more influential.

But I think we can both agree, that whatever that world looks like, let's hope Bieber doesn't make it onto the oldies stations. :)
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+1 like on the last part.

I do disagree with your first paragraph and will in fact present to you that in 10 years time, 100 years time or more, people will still be susceptible to the same manipulations that they are today... because the same tools are used today (updated ofc, but the same blueprint) as they were used 100 years ago, and the 100 years before that and so on and so forth. Manipulation through fear, through crisis, through all that good stuff.

The only way to break the cycle is to teach this to everybody and that means having everybody, or at least a majority of active, involved people, fluent in political history. Otherwise, history will just do what it always did... mock those who don't know it by repeating itself.
 
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