I cannot think of any reasons why it would be ok to secede, but guess if it was REALLY needed then MAYBE. I think the idea that states are trying to leave the union is humorous. It is safe to say that I have not been thrilled with every president that has won the white house, and I have wanted the losers to win before, but i have never had the idea to leave the union, I am guessing that most of this stems from racism.
Succession would be like a divorce/custody case on steriods, with guns.
Every state contains federal land, most contain federal military bases, missle silos, armories, public infrastructure like roads, bridges, ports subsidized and/or fully paid for by government funds. The power grid of every state in the lower 48 are interconnected, with electricity being bought/sold throughout the nation on a minute-by-minute basis. Same with economic factions, banks, Wall Street, financial intermingling of corporate, private and pension funds.
If it happens, it isn't going to be peaceful and when push comes to shove, I seriously doubt it will happen without civil war.
Secession is never a good idea. The last time I checked, this was the 'United' States of America. Those who think secession is a viable option, in my opinion, don't really believe that we are united. It shows that the country is not, at heart, in their interests. It shows that they don't really think we are a people united. It shows that they don't believe in freedom, and especially individualism, which is something that I thought was supposed to be a hallmark of Republican ideas. Which also shows the futility and uselessness of their ideas.
First off, you're a liberal and you don't believe in freedom or individualism, so drop it. Second, people that support secession support it because they want freedom and individualism to return. Lastly, if a country is not supporting your freedom they are not worth standing and need destroyed.
Only under extreme circumstances would I support secession, such as a breakdown or removing of the rule of law or the rise of a tyrannical government. I would also only support a movement that had no other recourse. Now, Chuck Norris was warning us about "1000 years of darkness" if Obama was reelected, but I don't really see it. The America that I know and love would have to change to something very different before I would want to leave it. I'm not a huge fan of nationalism, but I'm not ready to forsake this country because it reelected Obama. Things would have to get pretty bad for me to support such a thing.
It wasn't a good idea for the American colonists? It wasn't a good idea for Texas?
Do you believe divorce is ever a viable option?
Wait, believing in the right of secession goes against individualism and freedom? So I assume Thomas Paine was against those ideals since he pushed for secession?
Since many believe there is no right to secession, does that mean you would not support secession regardless of what the federal government did?
First off, you're a liberal and you don't believe in freedom or individualism, so drop it. Second, people that support secession support it because they want freedom and individualism to return. Lastly, if a country is not supporting your freedom they are not worth standing and need destroyed.
Any State that leaves the Union will have to deal with the insurgents that live in that State first. Think modern day Tories.
All of a sudden, you'll have a lone (star) country that is not backed by the USA military. Suppose I get ideas that I would prefer myself as leader over Ricky the Rat Perry.
I could band together a group of well armed, like minded individuals and start the Texas revolution. After the smoke clears I would be the tyrannical despot that I've always wanted to be. Eat lead Texas Fed.
Succession could be possibly acceptable to me...but the situations where it would be acceptable are ridiculously small and unlikely to occur. If a President managed to find a way to maintain control longer than his two terms, significantly accelerated the stripping away of states rights and of personal rights, and created a situation where the vast majority of a state felt that they could not justifiably identify with the United States anymore...I could at least accept it as understandable.
It would lead to nothing good, and it likely wouldn't be successful, but it would be understandable at that point imho
But the states would join together to oust the dictatorship, not break apart into separate divisions.
Secession is the talk of treason, of being the enemy. In fact our enemies want nothing less than a balkanized America. So I have to question the motive of the people talking of secession as if it were something good. There has been a line drawn and if you cross over that line you are no longer an American, instead you are a traitor and a target. Lock and load bring it on try it please.
Since many believe there is no right to secession, does that mean you would not support secession regardless of what the federal government did?
Actually, I'd have a lot more trouble with the state and local entities behaving themselves, as history points out..Since many believe there is no right to secession, does that mean you would not support secession regardless of what the federal government did?
Everyone knows what it means by a president serving beyond the Constitutional limits. And sure there will be pockets of idiots that fancy their own revolutions. Those people are no better than the dictatorship that the rest of us would be fighting.Eh, not necessarily. Dictatorships usually don't have a giant sign hanging over their leaders head at the start going "DICTATOR". Sometimes they're able to actually gather enough will of the people in concentrated pockets to make it seem fully reasonable or by the board.
Individually you can do whatever you please and leave the union, but as a State that is not happening. And those individuals and factions that try to force a secession are traitors.Leaving the union is not being a traitor and anyone that supports the premise of Texas v. White has no idea what they are talking about. If you wish to shoot people acting peacefully then you have no one to blame but yourself for you own lack of moral character.
I think the principle of succession is good, it keeps an extra check on the federal government and allows states a way to defend themselves against corruption. At this point the federal government has consistently violated so many civil liberties as to render itself illegitimate. It may be to the point that only a mass movement of the states can reduce and reform the corrupted federal government.
Right now, in my opinion, we need to promote and defend states rights and the principles of federalism against the rising trend of authoritarianism in government.