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healthcare and businesses

Should businesses be forced to offer healthcare to employees?

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Should businesses be forced to offer healthcare to all full time employees? Why or why not?

I dont think they should.

Freedom does not mean forcing things upon people. I believe in freedom.

This type of regulation discourages hiring, giving hours, and even bringing jobs back or enticing foreign companies to bring jobs here.

Please dont turn this thread into an pro vs anti obamacare thread. Focus on the subject. Obamacare is about much more than just this.
 
Not if they give money to Obama and Democrats. Then they are exempt. That's how it works.
 
When there was greater competition for employees, healthcare was a marketing tool to lure them into working for you. Now that there is a huge worker surplus, there is no reason to have it to lure in workers, especially when there is now so many private options and so few epidemics and such.
 
Fisher said:
When there was greater competition for employees, healthcare was a marketing tool to lure them into working for you. Now that there is a huge worker surplus, there is no reason to have it to lure in workers, especially when there is now so many private options and so few epidemics and such.
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All of above is true. But should businesses be forced to offer it?
 
muciti said:
All of above is true. But should businesses be forced to offer it?
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No. There is no business purpose in it anymore so it is a violation of the fiduciary duty to the stockholders of corporations to do it voluntarily and Obamacare makes it unnecessary to force it upon employers since everybody can get health insurance on their own with the company and policy they choose outside the 4 walls of their workplace.
 
muciti said:
Should businesses be forced to offer healthcare to all full time employees? Why or why not?

I dont think they should.

Freedom does not mean forcing things upon people. I believe in freedom.

This type of regulation discourages hiring, giving hours, and even bringing jobs back or enticing foreign companies to bring jobs here.

Please dont turn this thread into an pro vs anti obamacare thread. Focus on the subject. Obamacare is about much more than just this.
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Only if an employee is injured on the job or suffers a job related injury should an employer pay for their employee's healthcare to fix that injury or treat it if that injury can't be healed. All other medical stuff is the responsibility of the employee to pay for.
 
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i vote no. remove health insurance from specific employment entirely. the way it is set up now is insanely inefficient. every time i switch jobs, i have a whole different plan, and the COBRA in between jobs is utterly unaffordable. while i like single payer the best, i'd support letting everybody buy private from the same pool or giving them the chance to opt into a public plan.

this was the biggest failure of PPACA : we still have the stupid employer-specific health insurance model.
 
No, thats why I am in favor of single payer healthcare.
 
muciti said:
With the single payer option on health care should individuals be forced to participate?
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I think the whole idea behind single payer is that it is extended to everyone.. so yes, you would. However you would be fully covered without question so its not like you are paying for something you do not get (which can be the case with insurance policies now through denial of certain procedures)
 
OnWisconsin said:
I think the whole idea behind single payer is that it is extended to everyone.. so yes, you would. However you would be fully covered without question so its not like you are paying for something you do not get (which can be the case with insurance policies now through denial of certain procedures)
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I may not understand what you mean. When you say single payer is that everyone is offered healthcare and they pay for it themselves.
 
I do not think so...
Grumman and Republic competed - more or less.
One paid well but the "health care" had to be purchased, now this is COBRA and its extremely expensive,
The other did not pay well, but the benefits (free), oh la la...
The two prospered, back 50 years ago....
Forcing anything is not a good thing...
And a business with over 1000 employees (Grumman,Republic) has quite an advantage (numbers).
AT this point in time, the HC (health care) should be paid for from our taxes..The tea-bagging conservatives will love this........
 
muciti said:
With the single payer option on health care should individuals be forced to participate?
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Yes
Via a healthy tax hike to cover health care.
The only way, IMO, this can work, is to have 100% participation.
But, social security did work very well without 100% participating.
There are differences...
 
No, in fact they should be discouraged from doing so.
 
muciti said:
I may not understand what you mean. When you say single payer is that everyone is offered healthcare and they pay for it themselves.
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That's how single payer works. Everyone pays in and everyone is covered. It's simple and efficient.

I'm not voting in the poll because I support single payer or something similar. I think the businesses should not have to cover health care for employees if we have single payer. If the extremist right continues to be successful in scaring people away from single payer, then I think businesses should have to cover the health care of their employees. And I think it should be whether they're full time or part time. It's not as good, but it's better than leaving people uncovered. No one should ever been without access to health care any more than anyone should ever be without an education, police protection, or fire protection. It's a basic human rights issue.
 
muciti said:
I see. I was considering that universal healthcare. Most people would agree that health care in this country would decline under this option costing people their lives.
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I don't see why it would decline. I would think more people would be getting into the health-care profession if we provided health-care for everyone.

We could build hospitals and clinics which would create jobs for construction workers. We would have to hire more doctors and nurses which would create an influx of people going to school for those professions, which creates demand at tech schools/colleges/universities.

All around this sounds like a good idea to me. On top of all that, its the morally right thing to do in my mind.
 
muciti said:
Should businesses be forced to offer healthcare to all full time employees? Why or why not?
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Businesses with the capability to do so should pay their employees enough that their employees can afford reasonable health insurance. Forcing companies to offer healthcare plans was seen as a way to ensure companies act morally in that regard. But in the end, companies seem to just pass on the cost to employees and consumers, so it's kind of pointless.

This is one of the reasons why I think government-run healthcare is needed, paid for through a progressive tax on income. If we think people morally deserve healthcare, or that providing universal access to healthcare would be beneficial to our overall health as a country and an economy, we need the government to do it, because the private market has consistently shown itself to be unwilling to do so.
 
Krhazy said:
Businesses with the capability to do so should pay their employees enough that their employees can afford reasonable health insurance. Forcing companies to offer healthcare plans was seen as a way to ensure companies act morally in that regard. But in the end, companies seem to just pass on the cost to employees and consumers, so it's kind of pointless.
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Why is that? Why it is an employers responsibility to ensure that people have healthcare?
 
Fisher said:
No. There is no business purpose in it anymore so it is a violation of the fiduciary duty to the stockholders of corporations to do it voluntarily and Obamacare makes it unnecessary to force it upon employers since everybody can get health insurance on their own with the company and policy they choose outside the 4 walls of their workplace.
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It is not a violation of the fiduciary duty to the stockholders to provide healthcare insurance to employees. Where do people get this stuff?
 
MaggieD said:
It is not a violation of the fiduciary duty to the stockholders to provide healthcare insurance to employees. Where do people get this stuff?
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Wait until the stockholder lawsuits commence.......
 
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