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Kids n' Kondoms

What age?

  • 11 - 12

    Votes: 6 14.0%

  • 13 - 14

    Votes: 9 20.9%

  • 15 - 16

    Votes: 6 14.0%

  • 17 - 18

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • Oh, hell no!

    Votes: 19 44.2%
  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
Sonic said:
Sure. If they're old enough to have sex then they're old enough to have a job.
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Maybe, but here is the big difference. Sex comes whether you want it or not. Jobs don't.

Most kids DO want to work, I worked a few times even without approval because I wanted to. (We are not all lazy.)
 
ab9924 said:
Maybe, but here is the big difference. Sex comes whether you want it or not. Jobs don't.

Most kids DO want to work, I worked a few times even without approval because I wanted to. (We are not all lazy.)
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I'm sorry, but that argument is invalid. Sex does not come whether you want it or not. You are not forced to have sex.
 
Sonic said:
I'm sorry, but that argument is invalid. Sex does not come whether you want it or not. You are not forced to have sex.
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Of course, no forcing. This thread is not about some rape debate or famous teacher-student TV news story. For most people sex comes before they know what sex is, and this is why condoms are important.
 
ab9924 said:
Of course, no forcing. This thread is not about some rape debate or famous teacher-student TV news story. For most people sex comes before they know what sex is, and this is why condoms are important.
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Condoms are important, and should definitely be used. The problem is people have different views on whether pre-marital sex is moral, or if they approve of it, and I don't think that people who don't want the kids to have sex should have their tax dollars going to giving condoms to kids. I'm all for it if a charity wants to give it out, but don't make people pay for it unless they want to.
 
roflpublican said:
rephrased:

I think that anyone who believes teenagers, especially minors, should have access to cheap effective pregnancy prevention equipment, should have zero problem with the violent rape and murder of children. :lamo
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I see you have more insight into the lunacy of your side, than I. ;)
 
ab9924 said:
Of course, no forcing. This thread is not about some rape debate or famous teacher-student TV news story. For most people sex comes before they know what sex is, and this is why condoms are important.
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You know - it's not like that all over the world . . . our society encourages it.
 
All high school students should have access to free condoms from the school, so 15-16 when they are entering high school.
 
See - I'm looking at all this as a parent: If my kids come home with condoms they're grounded . . . and the school's going to get their ass reamed for encouraging my children to have sex. Sex is a serious and irresponsible activity that should not be engaged in while they're teens. It is my job as a parent to try to get them to understand WHY.

Everyone can put a lid on the 'but they'll do it anyway' crap - I'm attempting to raise my children to be BETTER than their impulses and desires and put their Futures before everything else. You know - saying no to peer pressure and no to drugs. I mean sure - some kids will do drugs anyway but I'd prefer my kids not be given a doobie with the belief that they were going to be one of those few anyway. Same thing. I will not just ASSUME my kids will be the ones to do the stupid **** that they shouldn't do. That's just beign a failure as a parent if you have that thought in your head about your kids all the time.

I'm not raising them to just think it's ok to run around and **** just because they want to . . . the whole 'they'll do it anyway' is true for SOME but when people start making serious decisions BASED on that as if it's a fact applied to all then that's SERIOUSLY ****ed up.

I think it's a sad fact that people just expect the lowest behavior and are willing to just excuse it or brush it off like it's not important or an issue at all. . . just 'whatever' . . . ridiculous.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
See - I'm looking at all this as a parent: If my kids come home with condoms they're grounded . . . and the school's going to get their ass reamed for encouraging my children to have sex. Sex is a serious and irresponsible activity that should not be engaged in while they're teens. It is my job as a parent to try to get them to understand WHY.

Everyone can put a lid on the 'but they'll do it anyway' crap - I'm attempting to raise my children to be BETTER than their impulses and desires and put their Futures before everything else. You know - saying no to peer pressure and no to drugs. I mean sure - some kids will do drugs anyway but I'd prefer my kids not be given a doobie with the belief that they were going to be one of those few anyway. Same thing. I will not just ASSUME my kids will be the ones to do the stupid **** that they shouldn't do. That's just beign a failure as a parent if you have that thought in your head about your kids all the time.

I'm not raising them to just think it's ok to run around and **** just because they want to . . . the whole 'they'll do it anyway' is true for SOME but when people start making serious decisions BASED on that as if it's a fact applied to all then that's SERIOUSLY ****ed up.

I think it's a sad fact that people just expect the lowest behavior and are willing to just excuse it or brush it off like it's not important or an issue at all. . . just 'whatever' . . . ridiculous.
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I think that every parent wants to believe that his/her own children are the exception to the rule, and that if only the parent does a good job and teaches their kid the right values, that they'll overcome the laws of biology...but I'm sorry, the facts and statistics suggest otherwise. About half of all teens have sex before they finish high school, and most of the rest have sex within just a few years thereafter. This isn't due to any character flaw on the kid's part, or any bad parenting on the parent's part, it's just human nature.

I will not just ASSUME my kids will be the ones to do the stupid **** that they shouldn't do.
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I don't have any kids, but if I ever do I will assume that they WILL be the ones to do stupid ****. That seems like a far safer course of action when it comes to their sexual health.
 
It costs society far less to make condoms, the cheapest form of birth control, available to youths that want to have sex and thereby reducing resultant medical costs, contributing to unwanted children, etc then it does to hide them away for fear of encouraging sex. Moreover who really thinks some kid is going "Gee, I wasn't really thinking about having sex, but now that I have a condom I can totally do it!" It wasn't that long ago that many of us were 14 and so on.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
You know - it's not like that all over the world . . . our society encourages it.
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You are ABSOLUTELY right. I am probably the only guy in the western world who doesn't care much about sex, but when I tried to go a while without a GF, I felt absolutely stupid for it, and I was unable to complete my mission. So I think that society forces me to engage in sex, because half of a consumer economy is based on sales of products to relationships, such as the commercialization of all religious holidays and even birthdays. In non-consumer societies, for example in production-based China, nobody dates until college or later, or for example in commodity-based Australia, their society leaves men happily alone to follow the lead of women with all initiations expected from her, or for example South Asia and Africa, where all your relationships are strongly encouraged to be with the person(s!) that your parents bring to you as part of the job of parenting (same as in old time Europe).
 
Your Star said:
All high school students should have access to free condoms from the school, so 15-16 when they are entering high school.
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In an ideal world I agree. I just have a problem with people who are against high school kids having sex paying for their condoms. Why can't there just be charities set up for collecting donations to give students free access to condoms?
 
Sonic said:
In an ideal world I agree. I just have a problem with people who are against high school kids having sex paying for their condoms. Why can't there just be charities set up for collecting donations to give students free access to condoms?
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I don't have a problem providing free condoms at all. Decreasing the number of students who become pregnant or contract std's benefits the students, their families, the community and the nation as a whole as it contributes to a more educated workforce. Personal feelings on sex shouldn't be a determining factor.
 
I understand the benefits of condom use for younger people. On the other hand, I don't think it should be free.

I wouldn't have a problem with making them available at a reduced price, though.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Uh, schools? Why not your local hospital?
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I would think the local health department more appropriate. Or Planned Parenthood. Hospitals have all they can do now. But, IMO, anyone who is having sex with multiple partners should be able to get protection. It is a public health issue.
 
Cardinal said:
I don't have a problem providing free condoms at all. Decreasing the number of students who become pregnant or contract std's benefits the students, their families, the community and the nation as a whole as it contributes to a more educated workforce. Personal feelings on sex shouldn't be a determining factor.
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I disagree. If you want to provide the students with free condoms, feel free, but not everybody feels the same way. I'm just not into forcing people to give money to things they are against.
 
Sonic said:
I disagree. If you want to provide the students with free condoms, feel free, but not everybody feels the same way. I'm just not into forcing people to give money to things they are against.
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That's why you have to look at the direct benefits of a program rather than whether you personally agree with a thing or not: if we only had the school programs everyone agreed with on a personal level, there wouldn't be any school programs. In fact, ask enough people and you'll find someone who disagrees with the teaching of reading, writing and arithmetic. And the direct benefits of the free handing out of condoms outweighs the long term harm from increased risk of teen pregnancy and std's.
 
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Cardinal said:
That's why you have to look at the direct benefits of a program rather than whether you personally agree with a thing or not: if we only had the school programs everyone agreed with on a personal level, there wouldn't be any school programs. In fact, ask enough people and you'll find someone who disagrees with the teaching of reading, writing and arithmetic. And the direct benefits of the free handing out of condoms outweighs the long term harm from increased risk of teen pregnancy and std's.
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Everybody doesn't need to agree with it for it to be there. Just because some people opt out of paying for condoms doesn't mean that the program ceases to exist, but the people who are paying for it all agree and are happy that believe they are benefiting students. Plus, most school programs are less controversial than handing out condoms. I'm pretty sure you won't find many people who disagree with learning how to read.

The program would still be there, it would just be funded by people who want it funded.
 
Sonic said:
Everybody doesn't need to agree with it for it to be there. Just because some people opt out of paying for condoms doesn't mean that the program ceases to exist, but the people who are paying for it all agree and are happy that believe they are benefiting students. Plus, most school programs are less controversial than handing out condoms. I'm pretty sure you won't find many people who disagree with learning how to read.

The program would still be there, it would just be funded by people who want it funded.
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Relying on charity would not result in a more effective program to reduce teen pregnancy and stds. Instead you'd be left right where you started: the parents who give a damn do, and the parents that don't, don't. Of course, this would be a problem for those who believe that reducing overall teen pregnancy and std's is a solution that should be worked toward based on the various studies on the effectiveness of sex ed programs vs. abstinence programs. If your opinion is influenced in any way by a general discomfort about sex stemming from morality, your opinion will of course be different.
 
Sonic said:
I disagree. If you want to provide the students with free condoms, feel free, but not everybody feels the same way. I'm just not into forcing people to give money to things they are against.
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I take it you favor the spread of herpes, HPV, gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, bacterial vaginitis, and AIDS. To each his own. I do not favor the spread of those things.
 
Maenad said:
I take it you favor the spread of herpes, HPV, gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, bacterial vaginitis, and AIDS. To each his own. I do not favor the spread of those things.
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While there are unfortunately people who see these things as rightful retribution for promiscuous behavior, they are rare and on the fringe and this thread has been blessedly free of that (for now). The side against the handing out of condoms in this discussion have, to the best of my understanding, allowed their discomfort with the idea of teen sex to cloud their judgement of what programs are actually effective in preventing teen pregnancy and std's.
 
Cardinal said:
While there are unfortunately people who see these things as rightful retribution for promiscuous behavior, they are rare and on the fringe and this thread has been blessedly free of that (for now). The side against the handing out of condoms in this discussion have, to the best of my understanding, allowed their discomfort with the idea of teen sex to cloud their judgement of what programs are actually effective in preventing teen pregnancy and std's.
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I just dont think I should be paying for and giving away condoms to ANYONE for any REASON though my government.
 
Maenad said:
I take it you favor the spread of herpes, HPV, gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, bacterial vaginitis, and AIDS. To each his own. I do not favor the spread of those things.
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They wouldnt have that problem if they keep the johnson or shirley zipped up. Not that I care about their problems.
 
Cardinal said:
While there are unfortunately people who see these things as rightful retribution for promiscuous behavior, they are rare and on the fringe and this thread has been blessedly free of that (for now). The side against the handing out of condoms in this discussion have, to the best of my understanding, allowed their discomfort with the idea of teen sex to cloud their judgement of what programs are actually effective in preventing teen pregnancy and std's.
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Not sure what you are saying is 'rare.' STDs are not rare. One in 4 teen girls have an STD.

1 in 4 teen girls have STD - USATODAY.com
 
PirateMk1 said:
They wouldnt have that problem if they keep the johnson or shirley zipped up. Not that I care about their problems.
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Abstinence didn't work before condoms and birth control were invented. And abstinence won't work now. People are not going to abstain. Thinking they should will not cause anyone to abstain.
 
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