Immigration reform

[TurtleDude]

IT is now well known that hispanic immigrants who came here legally or illegally and then gained citizenship were a major reason for Obama winning Florida, Virginia Colorado and perhaps some other states. Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama. 75% of them are not well educated or have a skilled trade.

Based on those assumptions, what should be done with our immigration policies

 

[MaggieD]

IT is now well known that hispanic immigrants who came here legally or illegally and then gained citizenship were a major reason for Obama winning Florida, Virginia Colorado and perhaps some other states. Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama. 75% of them are not well educated or have a skilled trade.

Based on those assumptions, what should be done with our immigration policies

Those assumptions have absolutely nothing to do with what we should do with our immigration policies.

 

[haymarket]

IT is now well known that hispanic immigrants who came here legally or illegally and then gained citizenship were a major reason for Obama winning Florida, Virginia Colorado and perhaps some other states. Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama. 75% of them are not well educated or have a skilled trade.

Based on those assumptions, what should be done with our immigration policies

This is in the POLL section but I see no poll or choices in a poll.

 

[justabubba]

Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama

do you have a cite showing this to be accurate

 

[haymarket]

Those assumptions have absolutely nothing to do with what we should do with our immigration policies.

Exactly. And there is no evidence behind any of it.

 

[TurtleDude]

This is in the POLL section but I see no poll or choices in a poll.

If you ever post a poll you would find that the initial post is published first and then the poll is added

 

[MaggieD]

Exactly. And there is no evidence behind any of it.

Even if it's all true, I don't see what difference it makes as to what our policy should be on immigration.

This is no different than believing that many in poor communities believe that voting for Obama will get them more welfare. And if we're stupid enough to give welfare to illegal immigrants? We deserve exactly what we get.

 

[TurtleDude]

Those assumptions have absolutely nothing to do with what we should do with our immigration policies.

You are denying that hispanic immigrants played a major role in Florida going for Obama and the same for Colorado?

 

[MaggieD]

You are denying that hispanic immigrants played a major role in Florida going for Obama and the same for Colorado?

No, I'm not denying it at all. I just don't think it has a damned thing to do what with our immigration policies should be. I don't know if that's true or false. It makes no difference.

 

[justabubba]

You are denying that hispanic immigrants played a major role in Florida going for Obama and the same for Colorado?

show us why we should find this to be factual:

... the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama ...

 

[haymarket]

If you ever post a poll you would find that the initial post is published first and then the poll is added

Glad I could be of help.

 

[TurtleDude]

No, I'm not denying it at all. I just don't think it has a damned thing to do what with our immigration policies should be. I don't know if that's true or false. It makes no difference.

well I will ask you another way

should we be allowing people legal entry or legal citizenship after illegal entry if they are going to be a drain on the safety net?

 

[haymarket]

show us why we should find this to be factual:

One could sooner offer objective evidence of demon possession.

 

[TurtleDude]

Glad I could be of help.

Your are mistaken because the second I started this thread I drafted the poll questions. Have you ever posted a poll on this forum? If so you would know the fact that the initial posting is up on the board before the poll questions appear.

 

[OnWisconsin]

IT is now well known that hispanic immigrants who came here legally or illegally and then gained citizenship were a major reason for Obama winning Florida, Virginia Colorado and perhaps some other states. Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama. 75% of them are not well educated or have a skilled trade.

Based on those assumptions, what should be done with our immigration policies

Perhaps they are not well educated or have skilled trades but they are willing to work hard and do the jobs that you nor I would ever do. You should be grateful.

 

[MaggieD]

well I will ask you another way

should we be allowing people legal entry or legal citizenship after illegal entry if they are going to be a drain on the safety net?

Now that I can answer! No, we should not. Immigrants wanting to come to this country LEGALLY should not be eligible for any welfare payments for at least five years after entry. And, in my opinion, they should have to prove they have the job skills or the assets to support themselves before they arrive. If they don't have the assets? Then family can pledge for them. But we just simply cannot put these people on our welfare programs. Jesus Christ.

 

[haymarket]

Sadly the message that comes across loud and clear behind them motivation of this thread is that somebody believes the wrong people are voting the wrong way for the wrong candidates and electing the wrong people into the wrong offices and then using those offices to do the wrong things ..... so ....... we should do something so that the people they think are right and good will vote for the candidates they think are right and good and only the right and good people will get into office and do the right and good things to benefit folks like them.

 

[TurtleDude]

Perhaps they are not well educated or have skilled trades but they are willing to work hard and do the jobs that you nor I would ever do. You should be grateful.

I am not grateful if they are using the safety net. if they are working hard and paying their way that is different. and I don't blame just the democrats who want more votes for allowing this mess. plenty of GOP business owners like illegals or legal unskilled labor to help suppress wages

 

[haymarket]

Your are mistaken because the second I started this thread I drafted the poll questions. Have you ever posted a poll on this forum? If so you would know the fact that the initial posting is up on the board before the poll questions appear.

Turtle , can you ease it up a bit? A sense of humor would go along way here on your part.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sadly the message that comes across loud and clear behind them motivation of this thread is that somebody believes the wrong people are voting the wrong way for the wrong candidates and electing the wrong people into the wrong offices and then using those offices to do the wrong things ..... so ....... we should do something so that the people they think are right and good will vote for the candidates they think are right and good and only the right and good people will get into office and do the right and good things to benefit folks like them.

the problem is the fact that a majority of these people vote themselves more benefits the rest of us pay for. And yes, that means they support your party because your party is the one that is most likely to redistribute income.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Reform it. Make it easier to become citizen. Make it easier to get a work visa. Make the path to citizenship a lot more simpler and easier.

 

[TurtleDude]

Reform it. Make it easier to become citizen. Make it easier to get a work visa. Make the path to citizenship a lot more simpler and easier.

even for people who have no skills or education and have a very high probability of becoming dependent on handouts?

 

[haymarket]

the problem is the fact that a majority of these people vote themselves more benefits the rest of us pay for. And yes, that means they support your party because your party is the one that is most likely to redistribute income.

Thank you Turtle for clarifying that my rewording of the position in the OP is indeed spot on and accurate.

 

[justabubba]

Reform it. Make it easier to become citizen. Make it easier to get a work visa. Make the path to citizenship a lot more simpler and easier.

but that should not become an anchor family for others who do not meet the qualifications to arrive, only to qualify for near immediate welfare benefits

 

[Cilogy]

Reform it. Make it easier to become citizen. Make it easier to get a work visa. Make the path to citizenship a lot more simpler and easier.

Pretty much this.