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Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

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Succinctly ... this seems to be implying that Romney lost because he did not take up social issues or adopt the tea party mantra.

That is absurd ... it was close race and I think it was as close as it was because Romney was more moderate and I believe he lost some votes by pandering to the tea partiers and far right.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/07/a-day-after-loss-conservatives-point-fingers/

Given this week's results, they said, conservatives will be even more motivated to reform the party. Richard A. Viguerie, chairman of ConservatieHQ.com, ended the press conference with one final prediction.

"Tea partiers will take over the Republican Party within four years," he said
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if the teaparty takes over the republican party they'll never elect another president. americans are simply NOT socially conservative.
 
i agree with the op
 
Dion said:
Succinctly ... this seems to be implying that Romney lost because he did not take up social issues or adopt the tea party mantra.

That is absurd ... it was close race and I think it was as close as it was because Romney was more moderate and I believe he lost by pandering to the tea partiers and far right.

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The Republicans basically told the Libertarian part of their base to piss off.
GOP approves delegate rule changes over vocal objections - First Read

Popular vote results;
Barack Obama - 60,652,149
Mitt Romney - 57,810,390
Gary Johnson - 1,139,562

Some Libertarians on this forum have noted that they voted for Obama, so I would say the issue is more likely that the Republicans angered a good percentage of their own base, as even Ron Paul came close to forcing a brokered convention, in the primaries.
 
I love this quote from your link.

At the end of the day, conservatives were left out in the cold. It should have been a landslide for Romney, had he embraced a truly conservative agenda,"
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That's what Consevatives got out of Romney's stomping? They are really living in la la land. I hope they keep it up.
 
roflpublican said:
if the teaparty takes over the republican party they'll never elect another president. americans are simply NOT socially conservative.
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I agree ... the GOP needs to shut that guy up fast.
 
If the republicans go the way of the tea party it will be the death of the party, and I could see the more moderates split off in another party. As a liberal this would please me greatly.
 
i'm not sure ratcheting up social conservatism is going to do the GOP any justice.... the whole responsibility, self reliance, and nuclear family values things isn't a good seller anymore

i'm telling you, they have to promise more entitlements and pander to non-whites and women.... the days of winning on ideology and principle are over, you gotta bribe people for votes in todays America.
 
iguanaman said:
I love this quote from your link.



That's what Consevatives got out of Romney's stomping? They are really living in la la land. I hope they keep it up.
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I agree ... Romney came as close as he did because of his former more moderate stances on issues. it was his pandering to the tea party base that created the disrespect from independents and undecideds.

Romney ... should have stayed true to himself and told the tea party to shove it imho.
 
Dion said:
Succinctly ... this seems to be implying that Romney lost because he did not take up social issues or adopt the tea party mantra.

That is absurd ... it was close race and I think it was as close as it was because Romney was more moderate and I believe he lost some votes by pandering to the tea partiers and far right.

TRENDING: A day after loss, conservatives point fingers – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com BlogsDiscuss?
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Rommeny did not get as many votes as McCain from what the vote totals look like. I think for whatever reason I cant fanthom some people stayed home.
 
Your Star said:
If the republicans go the way of the tea party it will be the death of the party, and I could see the more moderates split off in another party. As a liberal this would please me greatly.
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i'll bet it would please you.. the Democratic party would own the entire government for the forseeable future if that were to occur.
 
It's such a shame that the Tea Party is associated with the birther/gay hating/rape is a Godsend crowd. It didn't start that way and certainly wasn't meant to be that way.
 
Dion said:
I agree ... Romney came as close as he did because of his former more moderate stances on issues. it was his pandering to the tea party base that created the disrespect from independents and undecideds.

Romney ... should have stayed true to himself and told the tea party to shove it imho.
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it wouldn't have done any good.
had he stayed "moderate", he wouldn't have survived the primaries... and we'd be talking about a different Republican losing to Obama.
 
MarineTpartier said:
It's such a shame that the Tea Party is associated with the birther/gay hating/rape is a Godsend crowd. It didn't start that way and certainly wasn't meant to be that way.
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that's true.


it was never my bag, but the Tea Party seemed to start off on the right foot.. and was ok until it was co-opted.
 
Thrilla said:
i'm not sure ratcheting up social conservatism is going to do the GOP any justice.... the whole responsibility, self reliance, and nuclear family values things isn't a good seller anymore

i'm telling you, they have to promise more entitlements and pander to non-whites and women.... the days of winning on ideology and principle are over, you gotta bribe people for votes in todays America.
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Thats what it looks like. I am gona finish gathering my retirement and begin preperations for a move. I am tired of fighting. If Obama and what is about is what people want then let have unencombered by me. I just hope the oil industry stayes in decent enough shape long enough that I can finish what I started. I always liked the ocean so I guess I will try my hand at seasteading. I planned to do that when I retired but I guess I am gona have speed up the time table a bit. Such is life.
 
Thrilla said:
that's true.


it was never my bag, but the Tea Party seemed to start off on the right foot.. and was ok until it was co-opted.
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More like hijacked.
 
Well I don't recall abortion or gay marriage being discussed by the tea party. They started with singular focus which was less govt and more freedom. Immigration did come up as a rule of law issue / cost to government issue. It's the opposition to that conservative view that raises socially liberal views in a negative way on to tea party / Republican candidates bolts termed by two stupid statements on the crime of rape.

With the support of a willing media you can accomplish that quite easily.
 
Thrilla said:
it wouldn't have done any good.
had he stayed "moderate", he wouldn't have survived the primaries... and we'd be talking about a different Republican losing to Obama.
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In a sense the GOP primary was the seeds of his own destruction. He had to tack so hard to the right to get the nomination that he got major attacks on flip flopping, and then he had to tack hard to the middle that it merely reinforced the belief he has no ideological core. In a way the GOP really is losing the election in their primaries. For instance, if they had kept Santorum, this race would have been over in August. They need a moderate in the general, but their primaries demand ideological purity. You can't do that. The GOP has to fix how it does its primaries or this will happen again. Or they'll get someone like Santorum and see the youth vote AND the millennials go 95% against them. That's instant-lose. The GOP has to change. The question is will they go more towards the right to move towards the big tent center? From what I'm hearing, many of the loudest GOP want to go even more to the right, where we have people like Jeb and Rubio saying the opposite. It will be interesting to see who wins that debate.
 
obvious Child said:
In a sense the GOP primary was the seeds of his own destruction. He had to tack so hard to the right to get the nomination that he got major attacks on flip flopping, and then he had to tack hard to the middle that it merely reinforced the belief he has no ideological core. In a way the GOP really is losing the election in their primaries. For instance, if they had kept Santorum, this race would have been over in August. They need a moderate in the general, but their primaries demand ideological purity. You can't do that. The GOP has to fix how it does its primaries or this will happen again. Or they'll get someone like Santorum and see the youth vote AND the millennials go 95% against them. That's instant-lose. The GOP has to change. The question is will they go more towards the right to move towards the big tent center? From what I'm hearing, many of the loudest GOP want to go even more to the right, where we have people like Jeb and Rubio saying the opposite. It will be interesting to see who wins that debate.
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I think they'll go to the right a bit for the next cycle (it's midterms and they'll play to local constituents)
 
Thrilla said:
I think they'll go to the right a bit for the next cycle (it's midterms and they'll play to local constituents)
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Perhaps. We'll see if Obama keeps his political machine operating to prevent another 2010. Something tells me he's learned his lesson and won't let that happen again.
 
Both parties suck up popular movements and then eventually neuter them. For the GOP, it is the Tea Party; for the DNC, it was the environmental movement and now is the gay groups. (Sorry if I ruined it for you folks who think Obama's election year conversion to gay marriage is going to result in anything from the WH on the subject other than lip service)
 
roflpublican said:
if the teaparty takes over the republican party they'll never elect another president. americans are simply NOT socially conservative.
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Your Star said:
If the republicans go the way of the tea party it will be the death of the party, and I could see the more moderates split off in another party. As a liberal this would please me greatly.
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You guys realize that the tea party movement is not socially conservative right? The tea party movement is rooted in fiscal conservatism, not social conservatism. The Tea Party taking over would be the best thing the Republicans could do. I've said for years that the Republican party is too hung up on social conservatism, which is why I left the party years ago.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
You guys realize that the tea party movement is not socially conservative right? The tea party movement is rooted in fiscal conservatism, not social conservatism. The Tea Party taking over would be the best thing the Republicans could do. I've said for years that the Republican party is too hung up on social conservatism, which is why I left the party years ago.
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really because there are teaparty people protesting outside the abortion clinic near my house 24/7 =/. i call that social conservatism.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Thats what it looks like. I am gona finish gathering my retirement and begin preperations for a move. I am tired of fighting. If Obama and what is about is what people want then let have unencombered by me. I just hope the oil industry stayes in decent enough shape long enough that I can finish what I started. I always liked the ocean so I guess I will try my hand at seasteading. I planned to do that when I retired but I guess I am gona have speed up the time table a bit. Such is life.
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I hear ya. I have to wait for my wife to retire, but we are moving to South America soon after. Not to escape the US mind you, but I am tired of fighting and just want to be left alone. Sick of all the bull****. Pay to park, pay to drive, pay taxes on every damn thing including the air. Guyana is peaceful a republic and English is the main language. Having a place built on the coast. Oh yea!

PS Did I mention it's dirt cheap as well? Hopefully to many people will not discover it, lol.
 
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Hugh_Akston said:
You guys realize that the tea party movement is not socially conservative right?
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The original tea party wasn't. But after being hijacked by several republicans it has become quite socially conservative, especially at the Federal Level. The Tea Party Caucus as they call themselves is rabidly socially conservative.
 
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