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Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

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Rainman05 said:
No, but people won't care because he has a nice smile and is charismatic.
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^^^^
smilin winkin obama approves of your post
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but really reagan had a much better smile.
 
Objective-J said:
Fact remains you want america to fail.
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LOL!!!

Contrary to what you and most liberals believe, the more you say something that is false DOES NOT make it true.

You are dismissed,.
 
Mycroft said:
What's your point?

Do you contend his statement is false?
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oh no, i was just saying that in a time of great FUBAR for america (a time that began long before obama took office) the top priority of the republican party wasnt helping america, it was removing obama from office, by any means neccessary. now, some might argue that the best thing to do to help america is in-fact to remove obama, but i don't think that's true =/.

Rainman05 said:
He had better jokes too... but he isn't around anymore. But Obama has a good singing voice.
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indeed :O.
 
Objective-J said:
yes i now the facts are right, its why they are facts.

Like I said if you disagree by all means tell me using the discussion we already had how its not true. Im ready to listen.

Of course theres another option you could always backpedal some and add qualifiers to your silly statement or just man up and show some integrity and admit you misspoke, you didnt mean exactly what you said.

Until then my statement stands has you have dont nothing to disprove it. :shrug:
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As a mathematician and scientist, abuse of the word "fact" is a pet peeve of mine. A fact is something you can prove, not something you can't disprove.
 
He failed to accomplish most of what he promised in his first term, why should I believe he'll accomplish anything more this term?

Furthermore, I think the results of this poll show just how misinformed the rest of America truly is. While this is a very small sample by comparison, I think if more people did the research and looked at Obama's record he wouldn't have come close to winning.
 
gunner said:
It is attitudes like this that will bring down any nation. Such arrogance.

Paul
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Have to agree with you here. We do need change. That much is obvious. We don't need Obama's change though.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Barack Obama is the most divisive figure in America. At the end of the day, we're in exactly the same place we were two weeks ago. Republican/Tea Party controlled House, Democratic Senate, and Obama.

Same input, same output. More gridlock in Washington. More bickering, and nothing getting done for 2 years until the next senatorial races.
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You can thank the republicans in congress for gridlock. Thank goodness we have a grown up as president.
 
liblady said:
You can thank the republicans in congress for gridlock. Thank goodness we have a grown up as president.
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The senate demorats never passed an "Obama" budget since 2009. Many more bills passed the house (and most with some demorat support) than ever made it to the senate floor. Reid alone outdoes all of the house TP members combined for obstruction and gridlock in congress but that is not the MSM message.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The senate demorats never passed an "Obama" budget since 2009. Many more bills passed the house (and most with some demorat support) than ever made it to the senate floor. Reid alone outdoes all of the house TP members combined for obstruction and gridlock in congress but that is not the MSM message.
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Pssssst.......I think you spelled democrat incorrectly.
 
I just hope the Republicans live up to their rhetoric this time around. Much is made of working with the President. Much at stake as the death star budget looms up quickly.

Part of the problem will be residual hyper-partisanship left as some rather weak kneed citizens feel the end of the world is here because democracy spoke. Rather than look at why they failed at both the state and national level they claim the otherside lied and the citizens want handouts, not a hand up.

Perhaps in a few weeks the butthurt will be over and those who truly care about the entire nation, not just their political agenda, will reach out to the President and compromise.

Yeah I know, but every so often my cynic shield lowers a bit... :peace
 
Krystov said:
Have to agree with you here. We do need change. That much is obvious. We don't need Obama's change though.
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That may be, but with a two party state what's the alternative?

Paul
 
sharon said:
If your Congressman is lazy and too obstinate to work with the administration to pull the ox out of the ditch... raise hell.

You say, "Obama is divisive".. You are a man.. you don't have to be "divided"..
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The administration's agenda isn't going to, "pull the ox out of the ditch", it's going push it farther into the mud, so that there's even less hope than was before.

Obama doesn't want the ox out of the ditch.
 
Objective-J said:
SIgh is right, you broken logic ignores facts and reality. I ask you for proof or to explain your postion at least 4 times and what do you do? You deflect every signle time LOL

Well common sense and facts are still on my side while you offer "nu-huh"

Fact remains you want america to fail. You say you dont but you havent present one logical, reality based, objective, honest or factual way to separate the two. NOT ONE LOL

Ill keep waiting to see if you man up, show integrity and change your statements or if your biased just keeps you blind to the fact you want us to fail.
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Under Obama's agenda, America probably won't fail, but she sure as hell won't prosper.
 
gunner said:
That may be, but with a two party state what's the alternative?

Paul
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This may sound crazy and probably is, but revolution. It's what formed this country. I think we've strayed very far from the framers' intentions and become something entirely different. I don't believe the government really cares what the people want, they just want power.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!!

Contrary to what you and most liberals believe, the more you say something that is false DOES NOT make it true.

You are dismissed,.
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Dissmiss me all you want the facts still stand, calling me a liberal further exposes you. If you want Obama to totally fail you want america to fail. Ive asked you many times how do you separate them and you gave me ZERO answers LMAO. Instead of anything logical and rational all you did is deflect and try failed insults, I wonder why that is hmmmmmm :laughtat:

All you have left is egg on your face instead of just manning up and admitting you misspoke.

Hey guess what Lakers play tomorrow. They have a new Coach, Coach brown, I dont like how he plans to run things, I like the way phil jackson ran things better so I hope coach brown fails. But I want the lakers to win!

Sorry that type of broken logic is moronic and totally illogical.

Why? because if coach brown fails the lakers LOSE LOL
 
Mathematician said:
As a mathematician and scientist, abuse of the word "fact" is a pet peeve of mine. A fact is something you can prove, not something you can't disprove.
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thats good since i already prove it :shrug:
 
apdst said:
Under Obama's agenda, America probably won't fail, but she sure as hell won't prosper.
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that might be true or it might not, thats not my argument at all.
Im not saying its a fact he will have success, but "in general" Im rooting for him just like i root for all presidents because rooting against him is moronic and illogical. If he fails it hurts america :shrug:
 
Zyphlin said:
By "not going far enough" it seems you're suggesting he did not push far enough down the Democratic/Liberal mindset on those issues.

I'm not quite sure if that's wise or being a good steward of the country. You had a 2% popular vote victory with even lower turnout then the year before...hardly a mandate of "we are gungho behind your ideology 100%, push push push". You have the American people revote in a split Congress, allowing the Republicans to keep the house that money originates from.
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My political beliefs aren't based on popularity and suspect yours aren't either or else you would have become a Democrat after the election. Because my beliefs aren't based on popularity, my belief that Obama didn't go far enough stands regardless of how much of the popular vote he got. I don't think he went far enough on healthcare, don't think he went far enough in supporting unions and don't think he supported same-sex marriage soon and firmly enough. Period.

It seems to me that the little parts of his speech talking about reaching across the aisle is what needs to be true in the best interest of the country.
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In certain aspects, yes, compromise is fine. It's unfortunate that when Obama did reach across the aisle in his last term, Republicans condemned him and perpetuated the myth that he was an extremist uninterested in compromise. Now, in certain aspects, I don't consider reaching across the aisle to be the best interest of the country, particularly on social issues.

On the Democratic side, the Obama administration and the Democrats in the Senate need to look at the Republican party in the house TODAY. NOT looking at Republicans 20 years ago, in another time and an entirely different complex, and figure out what it is they say they want and desire. They need to show good faith attempts to find bipartisan solutions, NOT simply offer up a few token scraps as a means of "bipartisanship". And I say "Good Faith" attempts at BIPARTISANSHIP for a reason...actual attempts undertaken with the express purpose and intent of gaining REPUBLICAN votes and support to build a consensus on something, not taking moderating steps to shore up one's own party members who won't even agree with you and attempting to present that as "reaching across the aisle". Winning over the more moderate people in your own PARTY is not "bi-partisanship" as there's no second party there to make the "bi" appropriate. There's no aisle you're reaching across. That's you just dealing with being so far to the left that you have to reach to just cover your own side of the aisle.
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Meh, that depends on what the Republicans want. The Republican Party has become more extreme in its views and compromising with such extremism is bad for the country. This notion of "bipartisanship" has been treated recently as an inherent good. However, from what I've seen of the Republican Party over the last for years, "bipartisanship" would damage the country because it's ideas look out only for a small minority of citizens.

On the flip side, Republicans in the House need to see that the American People ALSO want them to compromise as well. They voted the President back in narrowly, and added additional people in the senate largely at the expense of Abortion views. They need to approach honest, good faith attempts at bi-partisanship in a similar honest way. They need to look at the President's plans and instead of saying "how can we stop it" say "is there any way we can accomplish the goal, but in a method that is more in line with how we view things but is able to be agreed upon by both sides".
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I agree.

The American People are pissed off at our government....and yet has elected it back into power in basically the same way. It seem's the message to me is clear....we either want Gridlock when both sides are trying to push their "Do it primarily in our ideological way of get bent", or we want both sides to find a way to actually successfully compromise.

SUCCESSFULLY compromise. That's the key. Compromise is not "You win a little and lose a little, I win a little and lose a little". That's dumb compromise, and it's not going to work for any side. True compromise is looking at a situation, determining the goals and desires both sides have with said situation, and then trying to find the common ground that is a "win" for both in terms of their goals and going with that.

If Obama decides to continue to try and push as left as his own party can allow him to go on most domestic things then the Republicans in the house are likely to push back in a similar fashion, and we're going to see next to nothing done. And frankly...based on the election, I think that's a result more welcomed by the American people than Obama OR the Republicans succeeding at going as left or as right as they are feasibly able to go.
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I agree. Because the House is still Republican, compromise will be necessary for anything to get done - at least for the next two years. However, considering that the Obama won the electoral and popular votes, I don't think the Republicans have as equal a part in the compromise as you're giving them.
 
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