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Why did Republicans/Conservatives Fail?

Why did Republicans/Conservatives Fail?

  • Republicans/Conservatives don't value Minorities.

    Votes: 11 40.7%

  • The trend is for the Incumbent to win re-relection.

    Votes: 6 22.2%

  • Young people voted for what they felt was best.

    Votes: 5 18.5%

  • Young people are naive and impressionable.

    Votes: 3 11.1%

  • Romney's campaign didn't try hard enough to win hearts and minds.

    Votes: 5 18.5%

  • The election must have been rigged. :D

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • Romney was wildly unpopular in Massachussetts.

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • Romney was elite and out-of-touch.

    Votes: 8 29.6%

  • The Republican party does not value women's rights.

    Votes: 7 25.9%

  • Other (PLEASE explain why).

    Votes: 14 51.9%
  • Total voters
    27
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This election cycle was absolutely nauseating. The OWS, the Tea Party, the partisans on the Right and Left... sickening.

After watching the election news last night, here's a question:

WHY did Romney, Republicans, and Conservatives fail?

*I did not vote, because neither candidate was appealing.
 
For a couple of reasons. They aren't usually socially liberal, and they aren't as inclined toward buying the votes of individuals.
 
Out of touch with the needs of the people, changed his mind over and over again appearing indecisive and not leadership material, and hating everyone not poor with his republican agenda.
 
As bad as this election was I think the Swiftboat campaign still ranks as the top example of vileness in my lifetime. But really Romney just didn't pretend very hard to give a sweet damn about the poor to middle classes, and people in return just couldn't pretend to ignore (or be okay with) Romney changing his position every week.
 
I wrote this in another thread:

First, I want to congratulate my American friends that you have elected a new President, even if it's the old one -- Obama has a clear mandate as it looks now, both winning the electoral and public vote. That's much better than more crap à la 2000, like an EV tie, endless recounts, debates about election fraud or a paradox of different EV and PV results. So, congratulations for a clear result!

My outside view on the election: I think most independent and centrist voters, even more centrist liberals, could have easily lived with a Romney, Governor of Massachusetts, who runs on a centrist platform, being ready for compromise on health care reform, civil rights "moral" issues such as abortion and so on. If Romney had presented himself with a platform as in his state, he might have easily won in a landslide, considering the disappointment in Obama on the side of centrists and liberals, and Obama's bad handling of debt and economy.

But what did the Republicans do? They ignored minorities, women and young people, almost exclusively focused on older white males. Both Tea Party and religious right have made the GOP their prey and even a moderate candidate like Romney had to pander to them. Instead of being ready for a healthcare compromise (Obama's plans were based on Romney's plan, after all, and did not differ much from ideas the Republicans had 15 years ago, so I read), they ran a course of hardcore far-right fundamentalist opposition in the House. And there were far-right candidates running on the GOP ticket, such as Todd Akin, and now we know that this approach mobilizes far more liberal opposition than it mobilizes the right-wing voters.

So there is hope the Republicans will do a critical analysis on their politics in the past few years, realize that the voters don't like it when they place the party above the country by being uncompromising, that they can't win elections anymore by alienating women and minorities with far-right positions (especially Hispanics could easily be won over by the GOP, if they stopped needlessly alienating them). That elections are won in the center, not on the fringe.

I'm sure there are not few voters who voted for Obama, not so much because they are convinced of Obama so much, but because they were very afraid of a Republican pandering to religious fundamentalist, with people like Todd Akin in his baggage, someone who says he doesn't care about 47% of the voters. Without this right-wing fundamentalism, they would have voted for a genuinely moderate Republican by default.

My two cents.
 
Its simple. A majority of people like how things are and want the status quo maintained and continued. An election has to be taken on its face as the will of the voters.

The creation of 1,100,000 more millionaires under Obama. GOOD!
The middle class income with inflation factored dropping about 20%. GOOD!
Millions more qualifying for food stamps, in-poverty welfare, and leaving the labor pool. GOOD!
The United States withdrawing from the world into isolationism. GOOD!
Reduce money value by increasing debt to make American labor cheaper. GOOD!
Convert full time jobs to part time jobs to make more jobs available. GOOD!
Shift the tax burden for indigent medical care from the rich to middle class. GOOD!
More money from people to the government. GOOD!
More authority for government and more monitoring of citizens. GOOD!

That is what people voted for and therefore the will of the voters it go further in those directions.

Whether you are a winner or loser in that is up to each person. I come out OK on that.

Excuses are worthless as is whining. Those are the rules of the game. There are no secrets about it. So rather than whining and moaning, play the cards you have or can obtain and function within reality to your benefit. That is the only rational course of act to ever take.

Politically you are exactly nobody. So don't pretend otherwise. Understand the game of life you are actually in and play it for what it is.
 
If you post in this thread, please make sure to vote in the poll! :)
 
Romney won because americans tend to give presidents 2 mandates.

The other one is because Romney was a flip flopper who couldn't be trusted.
 
There is one main reason the pubs lost and that was because they lost the women vote by a large margin and that all has to do with abortion.

The second reason is the hispanic vote.
 
The Republicans allowed the fanatic social right wing of their party to take over. They are a scourge on the Republican party and should be ousted. I believe the GOP had better embrace the Libertarian side of their party if they want to be a viable party in the future because at this rate...they will only win the middle and south of this country.
 
German guy said:
I wrote this in another thread:

First, I want to congratulate my American friends that you have elected a new President, even if it's the old one -- Obama has a clear mandate as it looks now, both winning the electoral and public vote. That's much better than more crap à la 2000, like an EV tie, endless recounts, debates about election fraud or a paradox of different EV and PV results. So, congratulations for a clear result!

My outside view on the election: I think most independent and centrist voters, even more centrist liberals, could have easily lived with a Romney, Governor of Massachusetts, who runs on a centrist platform, being ready for compromise on health care reform, civil rights "moral" issues such as abortion and so on. If Romney had presented himself with a platform as in his state, he might have easily won in a landslide, considering the disappointment in Obama on the side of centrists and liberals, and Obama's bad handling of debt and economy.

But what did the Republicans do? They ignored minorities, women and young people, almost exclusively focused on older white males. Both Tea Party and religious right have made the GOP their prey and even a moderate candidate like Romney had to pander to them. Instead of being ready for a healthcare compromise (Obama's plans were based on Romney's plan, after all, and did not differ much from ideas the Republicans had 15 years ago, so I read), they ran a course of hardcore far-right fundamentalist opposition in the House. And there were far-right candidates running on the GOP ticket, such as Todd Akin, and now we know that this approach mobilizes far more liberal opposition than it mobilizes the right-wing voters.

So there is hope the Republicans will do a critical analysis on their politics in the past few years, realize that the voters don't like it when they place the party above the country by being uncompromising, that they can't win elections anymore by alienating women and minorities with far-right positions (especially Hispanics could easily be won over by the GOP, if they stopped needlessly alienating them). That elections are won in the center, not on the fringe.

I'm sure there are not few voters who voted for Obama, not so much because they are convinced of Obama so much, but because they were very afraid of a Republican pandering to religious fundamentalist, with people like Todd Akin in his baggage, someone who says he doesn't care about 47% of the voters. Without this right-wing fundamentalism, they would have voted for a genuinely moderate Republican by default.

My two cents.
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The "mandate" is for the status quo of the United States.

Reciting all the media crap is pointless. We all hear it. The FACT is that Americans voted against any change from the status quo other than to expand the direction it is headed already. This was an anti-change win.
 
Republicans lost because they simply either don't understand demographis or they simply choose to ignore them. In swing states, you cannot win statewide by appealing only to white voters. It no longer works. And it's only going to get worse for them, because the demographics aren't changing.
 
BTW - This poll is idiotic.
 
joko104 said:
The "mandate" is for the status quo of the United States.

Reciting all the media crap is pointless. We all hear it. The FACT is that Americans voted against any change from the status quo other than to expand the direction it is headed already. This was an anti-change win.
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Oh yeah, this was an "anti-change win", nothing more needs to be said about that. How is that more substantial than any "media crap talking point"? :roll:
 
I went with other, and here is why;

GOP approves delegate rule changes over vocal objections
Bear in mind, the only remaining contender to Romney was Paul.


Reagan won the delegate battle in 1976, despite Ford having more committed delegates. To this day, Reagan is the new Republican poster child, yet they go to great lengths to ensure another Reagan, cannot happen.
1976 Republican National Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Although Ford had won more primary delegates than Reagan, as well as plurality in popular vote, he did not have enough to secure the nomination, and as the convention opened both candidates were seen as having a chance to win. Because of this, both Ford and Reagan arrived in Kansas City before the convention opened to woo the remaining uncommitted delegates in an effort to secure the nomination. Reagan benefited from his highly committed delegates, notably "Reagan's Raiders" of the Texas delegation. They and other conservative Western and Southern delegates particularly faulted the Ford Administration's foreign policy of détente towards the Soviet Union, criticizing his signing of the Helsinki Accords and indirectly blaming him for the April 1975 Fall of Saigon. The pro-Reagan Texas delegates worked hard to persuade delegates from other states to support Reagan. Ford, meanwhile, used all of the perks and patronage of the Presidency to win over wavering delegates, including trips aboard Air Force One and personal meetings with the President himself.
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So, in short, the Republicans lost because they told the Libertarian side of their party that they are not welcome in the tent.
 
German guy said:
But what did the Republicans do? They ignored minorities, women and young people, almost exclusively focused on older white males.
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They can't pander to minorities, women, and young people without compromising on the principles of the party, which are primarily those of liberty, self-sufficiency, and capitalist system ideals. I don't blame them in the least. When you start buying votes, rather than getting votes based on shared values, you are nothing more than your opposition. The world is going the way of entitlement mentality, and reality TV standards. The republicans can't compete in a world where they have to try and steal votes from democrats by pandering to the lowest common denominator.
 
The failed because they let the Teas run the agenda of the campaign.

They failed because Romney was their guy

They failed because Ryan was a whimp and wasn't willing to commit fully to the campaign (kept his Rep seat in Congress while running for VP)

They failed because Romney had no clue what ordinary people were, wanted or cared about

They failed because they did not realize that demographics have changed since 1950

They failed because too many people were too entrenched to be willing to accept the idea of compromise as being good for the country and that stalling for the sake of stalling is transparent

They lost becaus like the dems the Reps in congress thought more of political maneuvering than moving the country.

They failed because there were too many lunes in the party who could not keep their mouths shut.

They failed because they lost.
 
AreteCourage said:
The Republicans allowed the fanatic social right wing of their party to take over. They are a scourge on the Republican party and should be ousted. I believe the GOP had better embrace the Libertarian side of their party if they want to be a viable party in the future because at this rate...they will only win the middle and south of this country.
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This makes sense. They appealed primarily to the rich white male. That may be insulting to some, but it's true. Likewise, women's rights weren't valued either, costing them the election. Republicans need to broaden their base.
 
Romney is still a big gov't guy and tried to be all things to all people. His claim to have an "economic plan" evolved from his "simple" 59 point plan to a five point mess that defied all logic with spend more, tax less and to somehow reduce the deficit (eventually). He was against Obamacare, yet gave us Romneycare and wanted to repeal only the "bad parts" of it (lol). He ticked off everyone and only got the hard core ABO vote. Romney is for all three sides of most issues but somehow against it too. No he couldn't. I am actually relieved that the demorat label will remain attached to this economic mess that we call our federal gov't.
 
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BTW - This poll is idiotic.
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Wake said:
This election cycle was absolutely nauseating. The OWS, the Tea Party, the partisans on the Right and Left... sickening.

After watching the election news last night, here's a question:

WHY did Romney, Republicans, and Conservatives fail?

*I did not vote, because neither candidate was appealing.
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Republican does not equal conservative so your poll fails miserably. Romney is about as conservative as Mayor Bloomberg loves the 2nd amendment. So conservatives lose regardless if Romney or Obama won. Republicans lost because they for some reason thought that after nominating a RINO in 2008 and lost thought it was a smart idea to nominate a even bigger RINO.
 
lizzie said:
They can't pander to minorities, women, and young people without compromising on the principles of the party, which are primarily those of liberty, self-sufficiency, and capitalist system ideals. I don't blame them in the least. When you start buying votes, rather than getting votes based on shared values, you are nothing more than your opposition. The world is going the way of entitlement mentality, and reality TV standards. The republicans can't compete in a world where they have to try and steal votes from democrats by pandering to the lowest common denominator.
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From all I read and heard, at least most Hispanics share rather conservative values. But what happened? 70% of them voted for Obama, just because the Republicans can't stop bashing them to win white xenophobic voters.

Besides, I think most of the talk about Obama and the Democrats being anti-capitalist is totally exaggerated hyperbole. Before the GOP radicalized and shifted further and further to the right 10 or 15 years ago, most of Obama's positions were not unheard of among Republicans.

But hey, when you have a giant propaganda machine from both sides constantly telling you that your opponent's victory will bring "1000 years of darkness", of course more moderate considerations don't matter anymore. And I doubt that extreme polarization is good for the country on the long run.
 
The GOp didn't lose this election because they nominated a poor canidate, nor that they didn't pick up minority votes, nor that they failed to gather the women vote.

They simply were unable to convinve enoguh people in enough places that having a Romney presidency would be better than an Obama presidency.

No more, no less.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
The GOp didn't lose this election because they nominated a poor canidate, nor that they didn't pick up minority votes, nor that they failed to gather the women vote.

They simply were unable to convinve enoguh people in enough places that having a Romney presidency would be better than an Obama presidency.

No more, no less.
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Ya, among women and hispanics.
 
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