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Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

Which Party values the Middle Class More?


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Personally I think neither care about the middle class.

The Left needs the poor to remain poor, to retain their vote.

The Right needs the rich to remain rich, to retain their vote.

We keep voting for these politicians. We keep getting lied to. They keep breaking their promises. Our national debt is still rising. It wouldn't surprise me that Independants are increasing in number because they're disillusioned with both Wings. Oh, and the attack ads are still ridiculously disgusting, petty, and dishonest.

Why should we settle for voting for the lesser of two evils? Don't we deserve better than that? So no, I'm not voting, because both candidates tow their party lines while smearing their opposing party and lying to the fools who routinely vote them into office.
 
What liberals fail to understand is that the Right wants people from ALL classes to have the opportunity to BECOME rich.

That's part of the American dream.

But the Obama administration seems to want everybdy to be equal. Equally miserable in a lukewarm pile of economic manure called government assistance.

America was not built on the Obama model or the Left wing model or the Progressive model. It was built on the Conservative model.
 
Not so sure, both sides often love to talk about the middle class being important, but their actions often favor the ends of the socioeconomic spectrum.
 
These aren't Parties you're listing.
 
For many years I believe it was the right and it may well have been the right...but not anymore...the Super Rich have taken over the Republican party and they have nothing more than their interests at heart....they will rape the middleclass
 
These aren't Parties you're listing.

The Left and Obama, the Right and Romney. One Republican and one Democratic candidate, and the parties supporting them.
 
What liberals fail to understand is that the Right wants people from ALL classes to have the opportunity to BECOME rich.

That's part of the American dream.

But the Obama administration seems to want everybdy to be equal. Equally miserable in a lukewarm pile of economic manure called government assistance.

America was not built on the Obama model or the Left wing model or the Progressive model. It was built on the Conservative model.

So in order to allow anyone from any class to become "rich" you abandon or ignore all those people who do not have the intellectual capacity, the circumstance, the physical capacity, the education to become "rich"? What about all those people who don't lust after money and things, but who are wealthy in love respect and family - repectable working class people of specific personal ambitions that once the food is on the table and the roof stops leaking are more than content to enjoy their true "wealth"?

That the right requires the rich to remain rich is essential the same thing as a class of inherited power/wealth which is NOT the definition of a republic. Ironic, eh?
 
For many years I believe it was the right and it may well have been the right...but not anymore...the Super Rich have taken over the Republican party and they have nothing more than their interests at heart....they will rape the middleclass

They have already done so. Middle class has been declining for the past decade.
 
What liberals fail to understand is that the Right wants people from ALL classes to have the opportunity to BECOME rich.

That's part of the American dream.

Uh, if everyone were rich then no one would be rich. Can you honestly say that you want that? Should everyone want to be rich in your mind?
 
For many years I believe it was the right and it may well have been the right...but not anymore...the Super Rich have taken over the Republican party and they have nothing more than their interests at heart....they will rape the middleclass

Is there really anyone who believes the Liberals, Progressives or Dems do things without expectation of SOME reward or benefit?

Are there really people who believe there aren't super rich decision makers at the top of both parties and that this hasn't been so for years and years and years?


The bottom line is that your post reflects a steretypical view of things that has been promulgated by the Dems to manipulate you into giving them more power.

They are treating you like a mindless sheeple.
 
What liberals fail to understand is that the Right wants people from ALL classes to have the opportunity to BECOME rich.

That's part of the American dream.

But the Obama administration seems to want everybdy to be equal. Equally miserable in a lukewarm pile of economic manure called government assistance.

America was not built on the Obama model or the Left wing model or the Progressive model. It was built on the Conservative model.
I think that's sort of unrealistic, because unfortunately for the capitalist mechanism in the US to work, there has to be a rich class and that has to be a poor class. Everyone cannot be rich and along the lines of what Jonsa said, not everyone has the capacity, the access, or even the desire to be rich. The Right's rhetoric may be that of equal opportunity, but there is a lot of the Right's ideology that is detrimental to that notion.
 
The political right knows that it takes entrepreneurs to have enough money to hire more people. The political left wants government to create jobs somehow.
 
For many years I believe it was the right and it may well have been the right...but not anymore...the Super Rich have taken over the Republican party and they have nothing more than their interests at heart....they will rape the middleclass

You have been watching too much liberal media. ( like MSNBC)
 
You have been watching too much liberal media. ( like MSNBC)

I think it's because he's been living in reality too much. Corporate and wealth interest have taken over the GOP and most of the Dem party, you don't even need MSNBC or whoever to tell you that.
 
What liberals fail to understand is that the Right wants people from ALL classes to have the opportunity to BECOME rich.

That's part of the American dream.

But the Obama administration seems to want everybdy to be equal. Equally miserable in a lukewarm pile of economic manure called government assistance.

America was not built on the Obama model or the Left wing model or the Progressive model. It was built on the Conservative model.
What the right either doesn't understand or likely simply doesn't want to admit is that the opportunity to become rich is meaningless, as the scarce nature of money makes becoming rich absolutely impossible for all but a very tiny percentage of "ALL classes", of all people everywhere, the dynamics of money and its system being what it truly is.

Sadly, Obama does indeed want everybody to be equal, but not just everyone who is an American, but everyone throughout the world, including Americans, all lumped together, equally earning the same wage scale. In order to get there, Obama, a Multi-Cultural Internationalist, actually does want Americans to continue to lose jobs to in-sourcing to illegals and out-sourcing to wage-slaves in other countries. That will in effect import third-world poverty to American wage scales, and though that's part of Obama's dismantling of America to achieve his idealized one-world U.N nationless boundaryless government, it will indeed make every worker equal: impoverished.
 
Uh, if everyone were rich then no one would be rich. Can you honestly say that you want that? Should everyone want to be rich in your mind?

In a real world examination of this, it is impossible that everyone will become rich. Some simply can't do it because they haven't the intelligence or skill or work ethic or personal economy or luck or ambition to become rich. Some people realize they're unlikely to become rich and they become resigned to that. Some have a personal philosophy against riches...some of those adopted this philosophy from Bible verses on money and wealth.

But, what makes and what made America truly exceptional is that we value each and every life and we believe freedom is everyone's birthright and not a gift from government and that in America there is no barrier to becoming rich for those with the wherewithal and the desire to become rich.

And the American dream isn't only about becoming rich. It's about leading a better life and lifestyle and moving from government dependence to self sufficiency. It's about getting a job and then getting promoted. It's about studying and getting a better education and moving up the ladder and becoming more comfrtable and being able to do more for others. Americans, after all, aere the most charitable society and Republicans the biggest charitable givers.
 
What liberals fail to understand is that the Right wants people from ALL classes to have the opportunity to BECOME rich.

That's part of the American dream.

But the Obama administration seems to want everybdy to be equal. Equally miserable in a lukewarm pile of economic manure called government assistance.

America was not built on the Obama model or the Left wing model or the Progressive model. It was built on the Conservative model.

The America we all know was built on the ideas of FDR and the "New Deal". That is what raised up the great middle class that made us the envy of the world.
The right has spent the last 75 years trying to tear it down and replace it with the America of the 1900's, when workers got $2.00 a day and had to buy even a radio on credit.
The Right will fail, just like Romney will. Ther is no stoppng progress only delaying it.
 
The political right knows that it takes entrepreneurs to have enough money to hire more people. The political left wants government to create jobs somehow.

So if the corporations who have made record profits during this administration didn't reinvest into the economy by creating jobs and increasing wages of their workers wouldnt that make it the "entrepreneurs" fault? You said it yourself, the government sholdnt make jobs, however youd hope that in a time of need for so many Americans, corporations who have more money than they know what to do with would do something for the good of the nation and not for themselves.
 
I think that's sort of unrealistic, because unfortunately for the capitalist mechanism in the US to work, there has to be a rich class and that has to be a poor class. Everyone cannot be rich and along the lines of what Jonsa said, not everyone has the capacity, the access, or even the desire to be rich. The Right's rhetoric may be that of equal opportunity, but there is a lot of the Right's ideology that is detrimental to that notion.

I'm glad to be the one to bring to your attention the answer to what seems your chicken first or egg first type of conundrum.

It's not that the big, bad, rich, Conservative meanies MADE the distribution of wealth the way it is, the Conservatives simply evolved a system that takes advantage of what naturally happens in life.


It is common knowledge that in school as in life, there are about 15% -20% of high achieving individuals and 15% - 20% of low achievers. Everyone else falls somewhere in the middle.

There is nothing about the Right's ideology that prevents poor or middle class people from improving their station in life.

But there is a great deal about the Left's ideology that actively encourages people to settle for dependence on the government.
 
In a real world examination of this, it is impossible that everyone will become rich. Some simply can't do it because they haven't the intelligence or skill or work ethic or personal economy or luck or ambition to become rich. Some people realize they're unlikely to become rich and they become resigned to that. Some have a personal philosophy against riches...some of those adopted this philosophy from Bible verses on money and wealth.

But, what makes and what made America truly exceptional is that we value each and every life and we believe freedom is everyone's birthright and not a gift from government and that in America there is no barrier to becoming rich for those with the wherewithal and the desire to become rich.

And the American dream isn't only about becoming rich. It's about leading a better life and lifestyle and moving from government dependence to self sufficiency. It's about getting a job and then getting promoted. It's about studying and getting a better education and moving up the ladder and becoming more comfrtable and being able to do more for others. Americans, after all, aere the most charitable society and Republicans the biggest charitable givers.
You have to also look at what the Right is doing and wanting to do. They say they don't want people dependent on the government, which is great, but at the same time they also don't want to broaden channels to weaning people off of entitlements: not wanting minimum wage increases (in fact, wanting wage decreases), wanting less support for public education, not wanting universal healthcare, all factors that in some way affect a person's financial livelihood. If people are criticized for being dependent on government, but also not given the proper access or the proper opportunity to actually uplift themselves, then obviously they won't. I mean, you can't expect people to become self-sufficient when they have almost no means of doing so.
 
What liberals fail to understand is that the Right wants people from ALL classes to have the opportunity to BECOME rich.

That's part of the American dream.

But the Obama administration seems to want everybdy to be equal. Equally miserable in a lukewarm pile of economic manure called government assistance.

America was not built on the Obama model or the Left wing model or the Progressive model. It was built on the Conservative model.

The message I've heard from Obama is that he wants everyone to have an equal and fair chance....what's wrong with that?
 
The political right knows that it takes entrepreneurs to have enough money to hire more people. The political left wants government to create jobs somehow.

Which is why Romney's blaming Obama for not creating jobs and saying he'll do it?

Think about it for a second. Government doesn't create jobs means the President can't create jobs.

I've come to the conclusion listening to Romney that he really believes he can. Which is why he'll fail. He's a big-government guy same as Obama.
 
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