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Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

Which Party values the Middle Class More?

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The Mark said:
Spending more money on the Pub Ed system will not fix the problem.

The problem is in a large part the support sytem OUTSIDE the school system. Lack of parental guidence, lack of a real home life, etc...

Now, that is not to say such issues cannot be overcome, nor that kids without those issues to deal with cannot fail as well...but it is a major issue IMO - and one which more education funding will not fix.
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exactly ,,,,,

many deems want to throw more money at it because that money mainly goes to the teachers' unions which in turn are major supporters of the DNC
 
TurtleDude said:
You have no concept of what I understand. but then again, its that liberal attitude again-pretending you know what someone else knows more than they do
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Maybe you understand the topic with a clarity and breadth that far supercedes anything we poor dullards have to work with, but nothing you've said actually suggests this.
 
Cardinal said:
Maybe you understand the topic with a clarity and breadth that far supercedes anything we poor dullards have to work with, but nothing you've said actually suggests this.
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Right back at you Your comparison of the military which is a indirect benefit versus individual education was idiotic
 
TurtleDude said:
exactly ,,,,,

many deems want to throw more money at it because that money mainly goes to the teachers' unions which in turn are major supporters of the DNC
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Main reason:

Money is EASY.

Throw money, say "i did ****", get relected, done.

Actually fixing something? That's ****in hard, and you'll piss off people.

Lazy ass ****in assholes in office.
 
marsden said:
As I said in a previous post, he says he took those dreams as his own. And he also says when he went to college he actively and exclusively sought the companionship and counsel of Communists and revolutionaries. Why? Because he felt a kinship with them. A kinship based on a similarity between his ideas and their ideas. We choose our friends and associates based on what we have in common.

His mother left Barack senior because he wasn't sufficiently radical. His grandparents chose as a mentor to young Barack a card carrying Communist, Frank Marshall Davis. So, it's natural he'd find Communists to associate with.

It's not guilt by association. He actively espoused the same dreams as his father.
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So what you are saying is that the president of the united states is a commie. Okay I understand where you are coming from. I believe its called lala land.
 
The Mark said:
I have no idea.

Personally, I'd say any reasonable person, whether left or right, would think that our current public education system is a POS and needs fixed.

But no politicians are going to touch it, except on a local or possibly state level. Politicians don't touch issues that people actually care about if they can help it.

Random wars around the world? We don't actually care, it's kinda like reality TV on a large scale for us.

But try to fix the issues with Social Security, or any number of other social programs and the like that actually directly effect people? Holy hell you'll see an uproar.
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I doubt the political motivation is there to switch educational taxation from local community real estate value-based to a nationalized education system, which is a pity.
 
The Mark said:
Actually I think the line was (to paraphrase) "...the opportunity for everyone to become rich."

That, however, also includes the opportunity for everyone to fail epically and be poor as ****.
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That writer (if you paraphrase accurately) should have written, "the opportunity for ANYONE to become rich."
 
marsden said:
That writer (if you paraphrase accurately) should have written, "the opportunity for ANYONE to become rich."
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While I appreciate the semantic difference, it still doesn't erase the fact that their policies help only those in the highest real estate communities to become rich.
 
Cardinal said:
While I appreciate the semantic difference, it still doesn't erase the fact that their policies help only those in the highest real estate communities to become rich.
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so what? people work hard to move to areas with good schools. I cannot tell you how many people I know who say the reason why they moved to a community is that "the schools are good". why should someone who works hard and sacrifices have to see that sacrifice go nowhere?
 
Cardinal said:
I doubt the political motivation is there to switch educational taxation from local community real estate value-based to a nationalized education system, which is a pity.
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I think it's been proven in a study that locally directed educational standards and administration is best. As for the funding, I don't know. What are the pros and cons of that?
 
marsden said:
I think it's been proven in a study that locally directed educational standards and administration is best. As for the funding, I don't know. What are the pros and cons of that?
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Great, so everyone can move into the same several-dozen communities with the best schools. Nope, no problems there.
 
Jonsa said:
and naturally you are indicative of everyone.
I'll bet that you rose in the ranks by taking company sponsored courses. Are you MS certified? or do you contend your brilliance was the sole factor in your success?
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The only cert I have is CompTIA A+, and it's from 1999. I took the test for it AFTER I had been working in IT for at least 3-4 years, and paid for it out of my own pocket.
I rose in the ranks because I took on anything and everything I could, job-wise. Companies started valuing me for my experience.

Also worth noting;

In my area of expertise, an MS cert is a joke.
 
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Cardinal said:
While I appreciate the semantic difference, it still doesn't erase the fact that their policies help only those in the highest real estate communities to become rich.
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It's not like an exclusive club that barrs certain people from entering.

If I were to let my imagination take flight I'd guess that people with attitudes like yours are actually quite envious of the rich and just haven't come to terms with their envy.
 
marsden said:
It's not like an exclusive club that barrs certain people from entering.

If I were to let my imagination take flight I'd guess that people with attitudes like yours are actually quite envious of the rich and just haven't come to terms with their envy.
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My education was, as public education goes, actually quite good. I was fortunate enough to come out of a vagina that happened to live in a fairly high real estate value community. But I've also seen and worked in plenty of communities whose schools were so abysmal that their students' advantages could be nowhere close to mine. All because those students were stupid enough to choose the wrong vagina to be born from.

And yes, high real estate values make it an exclusive club. If you can't afford to rent or buy property there, that's the end of that.
 
Cardinal said:
Great, so everyone can move into the same several-dozen communities with the best schools. Nope, no problems there.
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Jeez Louise! What the **** is your problem with wealth and the wealthy??? You must be in heaven to have a national political campaign rise to prominence and add some dignity to what I truly believe is your secret mean little affliction regarding wealth and riches.
 
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Kr1ll1n said:
The only cert I have is CompTIA A+, and it's from 1999. I took the test for it AFTER I had been working in IT for at least 3-4 years.
I rose in the ranks because I took on anything and everything I could, job-wise. Companies started valuing me for my experience.
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so you don't have any certifications. you haven't taken any vendor courses? good for you. You are a very very rare exception.
 
Cardinal said:
My education was, as public education goes, actually quite good. I was fortunate enough to come out of a vagina that happened to live in a fairly high real estate value community. But I've also seen and worked in plenty of communities whose schools were so abysmal that their students' advantages could be nowhere close to mine. All because those students were stupid enough to choose the wrong vagina to be born from.

And yes, high real estate values make it an exclusive club. If you can't afford to rent or buy property there, that's the end of that.
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so your solution is a federal takeover where everyone is forced to suffer the same mediocrity?
 
TurtleDude said:
so your solution is a federal takeover where everyone is forced to suffer the same mediocrity?
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Only insofar as we are forced to suffer the same mediocre national military protection.
 
Cardinal said:
Only insofar as we are forced to suffer the same mediocre national military protection.
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more idiocy....

we all have the same military blanket

you can not do that unless everyone attends the same school

try again
 
TurtleDude said:
more idiocy....

we all have the same military blanket

you can not do that unless everyone attends the same school

try again
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Or schools with the same funding, at which point taking out all our national wrath on teachers will actually have any meaning.
 
Jonsa said:
so you don't have any certifications. you haven't taken any vendor courses? good for you. You are a very very rare exception.
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No, not an exception. Companies got bit in the ass hiring paper-mill certified folks, and started valuing experience over the prior.
Even the folks I work with have minimal, if any, certifications.

I am currently engineering solutions to serve 2-2.5 million customers.
 
Cardinal said:
Or schools with the same funding, at which point taking out all our national wrath on teachers will actually have any meaning.
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some of the worst schools in cincinnati spend more per student than some of the best performing schools in outlying areas. One of the reasons why is that the parents of the suburban schools tend to value education, don't tend to be criminals, drug addicts or not married etc.
 
TurtleDude said:
some of the worst schools in cincinnati spend more per student than some of the best performing schools in outlying areas. One of the reasons why is that the parents of the suburban schools tend to value education, don't tend to be criminals, drug addicts or not married etc.
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And yet, oddly enough, the norm is for the most highly funded schools to have the best quality, because they can afford the best facilities, teachers and materials (like yourself). And of course only a limited number of people can actually afford to live in those communities so overcrowding is rare. But I'll bite, what's your link?
 
Kr1ll1n said:
No, not an exception. Companies got bit in the ass hiring paper-mill certified folks, and started valuing experience over the prior.
Even the folks I work with have minimal, if any, certifications.

I am currently engineering solutions to serve 2-2.5 million customers.
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okay. you aren't the exception. I won't argue. I refrain from hypothesizing about how you acquired your knowledge.

I myself rose inthe ranks so to speak without a degree and reached Senior VP level, much to the chagrin of my competition, since I did not try to keep my formal education credential secret. Its just that I did it in sales/marketing, and for the more senior technical positions I dealt with (my career was in high tech software) they all had at least some sort of technical certification.

Good on ya.
 
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