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Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

Have you ever lived in a socialist country?


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This question is mainly aimed at people on here who claim to be socialists.

Have you ever lived in a socialist country? Do you have any personal experience with socialism?
 
According to some people, yes I do.
 
Yes i Have. (using GOP defined "socialism")

And it was great..........to bad they protect the jobs of thier citizens and do not allow foreigners to work there........

Unlike USA........which screws its citizens and gives their disabiltiy payments to Obamas foreign criminal aunt............
 
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This question is mainly aimed at people on here who claim to be socialists.

Have you ever lived in a socialist country? Do you have any personal experience with socialism?

pardon me if i highjack your thread for a moment.

you do know that democracy is socialism don't you, its just a clever rouse to confuse the people.

democracy allows people too create their own rights ,thus creating every handout they the people wish give themselves.

this is why the American founders say that in democracies , they fail.......when people find out they can vote for anything from the public trough.

republican forms of governments ......rights are endowed by the creator...and government is limited.
 
I've spent some time in a socialist country (Russia)... and as far as governmental criticism... it was pretty terrible. and you can tell that people lived in fear and was afraid to say anything bad about Putin.
 
So I'm going to put you in the "no" category, because you've clearly never experienced actual socialism.

pardon me if i highjack your thread for a moment.

you do know that democracy is socialism don't you, its just a clever rouse to confuse the people.

democracy allows people too create their own rights ,thus creating every handouts they the people wish give themselves.

this is why the American founders say that in democracies , they fail.......when people find out they can vote for anything from the public trough.

republican forms of governments ......rights are endowed by the creator...and government is limited.
 
Yes i Have.

And it was great..........to bad they protect the jobs of thier citizens and do not allow foreigners to work there........

Unlike USA........which screws its citizens and gives their disabiltiy payments to Obamas foreign criminal aunt............

the USA has immigration laws, which are not being followed by both parties.

in the constitution of the founders, your money is your, not other peoples...a direct tax on the people is unconstitutional.
 
So I'm going to put you in the "no" category, because you've clearly never experienced actual socialism.

the truth is, yes i have, ..why?

because the union is not being run according too the constitution, and government has moved us away from republican government of the constitution , and moved us closer to democracy which is a collective type government, which redistributes wealth, and tells people its impossible to make it without government help " you didn't built that"--obama 2012

republican government ,there is no direct taxes on the people, and people's property rights are totally secure, in the USA property rights are NOT SECURE.
 
It sounds like you're voting for the right guy, but look.... real socialism is 70%+ taxation, $10/gallon gas, universal healthcare, government owned liquor distribution, government owned utilities, etc.

Actually, that's just Europe under the social democrats.

REAL socialism is government owned farms, industries, etc... think USSR.

the truth is, yes i have, ..why?

because the union is not being run according too the constitution, and government has moved us away from republican government of the constitution , and moved us closer to democracy which is a collective type government, which redistributes wealth, and tells people its impossible to make it without government help " you didn't built that"--obama 2012

republican government ,there is no direct taxes on the people, and people property rights are totally secure, in the USA property rights are NOT SECURE.
 
I've always thought about it this way.....the more laws and regulations we create to protect ourselves....the more laws and regulations we have to create to protect ourselves from the laws and regulations that we already created....and after we have too many laws and regulations, we have entered something very close to socialism.
 
you do know that democracy is socialism don't you, its just a clever rouse to confuse the people.

democracy allows people too create their own rights ,thus creating every handout they the people wish give themselves.

That's a little contrived. :shock:

Want to explain further?
 
the USA has immigration laws, which are not being followed by both parties.

in the constitution of the founders, your money is your, not other peoples...a direct tax on the people is unconstitutional.

Labor law is not in the constitution either. But we have it.

And ALL MONEY is created by the worker. NONE is created by the CEO or owner. remember that ...........when you spout crap
about its ALL YOUR MONEY.
 
It sounds like you're voting for the right guy, but look.... real socialism is 70%+ taxation, $10/gallon gas, universal healthcare, government owned liquor distribution, government owned utilities, etc.

Actually, that's just Europe under the social democrats.

REAL socialism is government owned farms, industries, etc... think USSR.

Republic vs Democracy - YouTube

please watch the video, it is a very good one.
 
This question is mainly aimed at people on here who claim to be socialists.

Have you ever lived in a socialist country? Do you have any personal experience with socialism?

With all the panties in knots around here about the US becoming a socialist country under Obama, does that count?
 
This question is mainly aimed at people on here who claim to be socialists.

Have you ever lived in a socialist country? Do you have any personal experience with socialism?

I grew up in a socialist country that ceased being one in the 1980s.

Through socialist policies I received an education that my parents couldn't have dreamed of. I had my life saved twice by a 100% socialised health service and when I was out of work after college, I was kept out of the soup kitchens by a welfare state that supported me until I found a job and proceeded to begin to repay that socialist state, through taxes, for my education, health and benefits.

After Thatcher and her cronies sold Britain off to carpet-baggers, mountebanks and charlatans the current generation of poor kids will get worse access to education, an inferior and costlier health service and if they want to sustain themselves while out of work the only route they'll have to go is crime. Being a child of socialist Britain (1945-1984) was to be one of a blessed generation and I'm grateful for having had the chance.
 
the more laws and regulations we create to protect ourselves....the more laws and regulations we have to create to protect ourselves from the laws and regulations that we already created
Do you have any modicum of evidence to support that? It's a nice little aphorism, but hardly true.

and after we have too many laws and regulations, we have entered something very close to socialism.
Socialism isn't necessarily nationalist. Learn to differentiate between the two. :shock:
 
While I was in the U.S. Army stationed in Germany in the 80's I visited East and West Berlin before the fall of the USSR and after. Here are a couple pictures that I've found online that are good representations of what I saw in Alexander Platz, East Berlin.

Before the fall:

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After the fall:

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What struck me the most before:

Everything was grey. Very little color. Quiet. No loud voices. No crowds. People would look at me out of the corner of their eyes...but nobody would speak to me.

After:

Complete opposite. Children, young people, adults laughing, smiling, talking...even to me. Color everywhere.
 
Do you have any modicum of evidence to support that? It's a nice little aphorism, but hardly true.


Socialism isn't necessarily nationalist. Learn to differentiate between the two. :shock:

You left out part of my post. I said "I always thought about it as"...... but you chopped that part off. I never said that I did or didn't know the difference. Did I? Nor did I say that what I had always thought was what I think now or did I claim any of it as fact. How about you try learning the difference in what you think I said and what I actually said? before you jump and make yourself look the opposite of intelligent.
 
While I was in the U.S. Army stationed in Germany in the 80's I visited East and West Berlin before the fall of the USSR and after. Here are a couple pictures that I've found online that are good representations of what I saw in Alexander Platz, East Berlin.

Before the fall:

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After the fall:

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What struck me the most before:

Everything was grey. Very little color. Quiet. No loud voices. No crowds. People would look at me out of the corner of their eyes...but nobody would speak to me.

After:

Complete opposite. Children, young people, adults laughing, smiling, talking...even to me. Color everywhere.


I'm sure everything is 100% better now, it's just that your photos look identical other than the quality of the colour film.

Thing is, there are a lot of posters on DP who would think modern Germany is a socialistic hell-hole. I wonder what your reaction would be to legally enforced worker representation on every company board, the government investment in alternative energy and the degree of regulation of banking that Wall Street or The City would quake at. Perhaps in 1989 Germany just replaced one out-dated style of socialism for a modern, efficient one.
 
Well, I fit none of these options.

Because, I'm a socialist who hasn't lived in a socialist country, who hates Che Guevara.

Of course, under the government-ownership definition. I guess you can count Syria, but I don't think it is socialist. And, I don't even think the Soviet Union fills the definition of socialism. (Maybe the first few years under Lenin, but that is really stretching it.)

The reason is that because my idea of socialism is workers owning the surplus of their labor. (Or means of production.) Not government-ownership of the economy.

Simple as that. I have never lived in a socialist country, I considered Cuba to not be a socialist country.
 
There is no poll option I can agree with.

I have been living in (West-)Berlin most of my life. The Federal Republic of Germany never was a socialist country, regardless of the BS some American far-righties are spewing. A few social programs make no socialism. And life in the Federal Republic is fine.

The East-German GDR was socialist. And it was horrible. I was still a kid, but I visited that country with my parents when I was a boy. Even at that young age, it seemed trashy to me. It was humorless and dull. Real socialism is horrible.

That doesn't mean everything certain American righties call "socialism" really is socialism.
 
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