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Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

Do you support this Gas price idea?


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Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.

Your dreaming if you think the oil companies will ever give up all that free oil they pump off our land and coastlines. We pay them to find and drill it and they sell it to us at the world market price. It's a good business if you can get it.
 
Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.

Stupid idea.

We should be trying to REDUCE the size, scope and power of the government...not give it the power to decide how much gas you can have or how much you'll pay for it.
 
Stupid idea.

We should be trying to REDUCE the size, scope and power of the government...not give it the power to decide how much gas you can have or how much you'll pay for it.

its the JOB of gov to do what the people need and end extorsion. Like the extorsion of the auto and oil corps.

Just like Gov ended the "Patent" medicine trade...........

Your CEO's control healthcare, and look at the prices we pay for that......NOPE, your CEO running anything is agianst Ameriica.
 
its the JOB of gov to do what the people need and end extorsion. Like the extorsion of the auto and oil corps.
There is no extortion, they sell a product at market price to the dealer who retails it at MSRP. It is not the government's "job" to exert authority it doesn't have over markets, and AS A MATTER OF FACT most of the increases in automobile prices come from additional government mandated devices.

Just like Gov ended the "Patent" medicine trade...........
You do realize there is still a twenty year patent protection in effect on new medicines on the date of filing right? Generics are licensed and that is typically within 5-10 years. That argument is false.

Your CEO's control healthcare, and look at the prices we pay for that......NOPE, your CEO running anything is agianst Ameriica.
Okay, CEOs set general company policy and direction whereas claims and underwriters accept or decline claims. Thanks to government interference it is now mandatory to buy these health policies. Thank you in advance for conceding that government interference has consequences.
 
There is no extortion, they sell a product at market price to the dealer who retails it at MSRP. It is not the government's "job" to exert authority it doesn't have over markets, and AS A MATTER OF FACT most of the increases in automobile prices come from additional government mandated devices.

You do realize there is still a twenty year patent protection in effect on new medicines on the date of filing right? Generics are licensed and that is typically within 5-10 years. That argument is false.

Okay, CEOs set general company policy and direction whereas claims and underwriters accept or decline claims. Thanks to government interference it is now mandatory to buy these health policies. Thank you in advance for conceding that government interference has consequences.

yes it is the Gov job to prevent extorsion and monopolys....read federal law.

God are you ignorant. here is some help.
Patent medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, my being FORCED to buy REAL healthcare for $20 month will be SO SO SO terrible! LMAO!
 
yes it is the Gov job to prevent extorsion and monopolys....read federal law.

God are you ignorant. here is some help.
Patent medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, my being FORCED to buy REAL healthcare for $20 month will be SO SO SO terrible! LMAO!
Heaven forbid I should confuse a medicinal patent with "patent medicine" which you should have put in quotes BTW. Patent medicines aren't all illegal, the difference is they don't fall under FDA laws because they aren't licensed, the only one's illegal had either 1) Harmful side effects shown in a lab or 2) A component which was already an illegal substance such as cocaine, heroine, etc.

Anyway. Fraud is illegal, but this has nothing to do with your idea or argument. You are asserting that commerce is harmful because it shows a profit component which shows a lack of fundamental economic understanding, then you are appealing to things that government has a legitimate right to hinder such as fraud and other harmful activities. I understand, you don't like something so you want to play an equation that genralizes but it isn't applicable.

EDIT - The health law compels policies to be purchased and the price went up. 20$ a month is not gonna happen, more like a 120$ policy just became 300$.
 
My brand new 18gpm Ford F150 Truck says **** this plan. Yeehaw and God bless.

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Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
 
its the JOB of gov to do what the people need and end extorsion. Like the extorsion of the auto and oil corps.

Just like Gov ended the "Patent" medicine trade...........

Your CEO's control healthcare, and look at the prices we pay for that......NOPE, your CEO running anything is agianst Ameriica.

It is the job of the PEOPLE to do what they need...not the government. Your attitude is what has gotten us in so much trouble. That and people like you who would rather the government make your decisions for you instead of having the sense of responsibility to make them for yourselves.

I hope to god nobody takes your idea seriously and tries to implement it. Government price controls have only one result: Shortages.
 
Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.

I don't really understand why the US supply has to be separate from global supply. What would this do besides massively distort the market and satisfy some economically-clueless protectionists? US supply is not nearly high enough to meet demand. We simply do not have enough oil. The price would shoot up if not for price controls. These controls would only create a shortage. Prices are not simply determinants for how many ivory back-scratchers corporate fat-cats can buy. They are critical in determining how resources can be used most efficiently in an economy. When the government sets prices, it creates shortages or gluts, and resources are misallocated. Price controls lead to rationing. The rationing would fail, because people could simply buy and sell points. So you you would be replicating the old, evil market, except now it's less efficient. You create a bunch exemptions, but this only invites people to get past your scheme or make it not work, so that we have the same problems as before, except for the loss in efficiency caused by people getting around your scheme. Sorry, 247, but this is a terrible idea that simply piles one misunderstanding of basic economics onto another. I suggest you read up before you talk about the "Evils of Free Trade".
 
I don't really understand why the US supply has to be separate from global supply. What would this do besides massively distort the market and satisfy some economically-clueless protectionists?
We are in a global market, which is what some are trying hard to not understand. The problem with protectionism is it always comes back to bite you, markets are not static, they are dynamic which means when you screw a trading partner over it will always be remembered and paid back.
US supply is not nearly high enough to meet demand.
We'll have to disagree here, with the regulatory climate we have now you are correct, however the gulf region alone has about the oil potential of the U.A.E. and Iran combined, ANWR, or at least the sliver of it desired for drilling has an estimated double to triple the potential of Saudi Arabia, and the west coast has vast reserves. This is before fracking, and Canada is ridiculously oil rich as well, they are a fantastic American ally so I just don't buy the domestic shortage argument from a free market standpoint. Regulatory......different case altogether.
 
We'll have to disagree here, with the regulatory climate we have now you are correct, however the gulf region alone has about the oil potential of the U.A.E. and Iran combined, ANWR, or at least the sliver of it desired for drilling has an estimated double to triple the potential of Saudi Arabia, and the west coast has vast reserves. This is before fracking, and Canada is ridiculously oil rich as well, they are a fantastic American ally so I just don't buy the domestic shortage argument from a free market standpoint. Regulatory......different case altogether.

I agree that we could produce all our own oil if we had to, but this would take a very long time to meet. At least in the short-term the price of oil would skyrocket without controls. Even with deregulation it would take decades to more than triple our oil production, and this assumes that demand remains the same. We have a ton of oil, but most of the easy to drill stuff was tapped out years ago. Most of the new oil is only exploitable because the big oil companies only thought they could make a profit with high oil prices. They certainly wouldn't do it with $1 a gallon gas.
 
I agree that we could produce all our own oil if we had to, but this would take a very long time to meet. At least in the short-term the price of oil would skyrocket without controls. Even with deregulation it would take decades to more than triple our oil production, and this assumes that demand remains the same. We have a ton of oil, but most of the easy to drill stuff was tapped out years ago. Most of the new oil is only exploitable because the big oil companies only thought they could make a profit with high oil prices. They certainly wouldn't do it with $1 a gallon gas.
I don't think we're far off in the opinion here. I slightly disagree that it's an extreme profit motive simply due to the 8 cents on the dollar actual profit, I blame regulations heavily though. Cali still has tons of shallow water reserves we can't touch due to federal law, so does Fla. actually but I do acknowledge that the La./Tx. reserves are going to have to go further out.

The biggest difference is the price spikes we currently have. The 8 cent rule is still in effect, but it's taking more dollars to get to the gallon so the 8 cents is multiplied by 3, sometimes four, times national consumption.
 
I don't think we're far off in the opinion here. I slightly disagree that it's an extreme profit motive simply due to the 8 cents on the dollar actual profit, I blame regulations heavily though. Cali still has tons of shallow water reserves we can't touch due to federal law, so does Fla. actually but I do acknowledge that the La./Tx. reserves are going to have to go further out.

The biggest difference is the price spikes we currently have. The 8 cent rule is still in effect, but it's taking more dollars to get to the gallon so the 8 cents is multiplied by 3, sometimes four, times national consumption.

It's not a matter of huge profits. It's a matter of making any profit at all. The United States is awash is oil and other fuels. The problem is that most of the remaining stuff is really hard and expensive to drill out. Oil companies knew this stuff was there, but it would have been more expensive to drill it than what they would have made off it with past prices. When prices rose last decade, it suddenly became profitable to explore things like tar sands. Under 247's scheme it would be stupid for drillers to exploit these resources. There is a lot of oil, but there are not enough easily exploitable reserves for us to simply triple production. As for exploitable oil, forget Cali. North Dakota has one of the largest deposits of oil on the planet. Of course it's in tar sands, so only recently has it become profitable to exploit.
 
The US's largest export right now is fuel in the form of gasoline, diesel and jet fuel. Anyone who says Obama is not doing enough to pull oil out of the ground is either ignorant or just likes spewing crap.
 
It's not a matter of huge profits. It's a matter of making any profit at all. The United States is awash is oil and other fuels. The problem is that most of the remaining stuff is really hard and expensive to drill out. Oil companies knew this stuff was there, but it would have been more expensive to drill it than what they would have made off it with past prices. When prices rose last decade, it suddenly became profitable to explore things like tar sands.
This is true. Fracking, getting oil from tar sands, and deepwater drilling are not optimal. However I don't blame prices for the production but rather I blame production of these types on the regulatory nature. Prices spike when inefficiencies exist, because the shallow stuff we still have is not exploitable we have to go to the less optimal system, which then spikes the consumer price. Government could help out quite a bit by getting out of the way.
Under 247's scheme it would be stupid for drillers to exploit these resources.
Under 247's plan anything would be stupid. There would be a total profit elimination in strict land drilling.
There is a lot of oil, but there are not enough easily exploitable reserves for us to simply triple production. As for exploitable oil, forget Cali. North Dakota has one of the largest deposits of oil on the planet. Of course it's in tar sands, so only recently has it become profitable to exploit.
From what I understand we have at least triple production, where the equation fails is on the refinement end as we are in a refinery shrinkage period. Thus it doesn't matter if we produce or import crude we simply don't have the capacity to meet demand because instead of building more refineries we have to repair and retrofit, or close. Much of that is due to regs.
 
The US's largest export right now is fuel in the form of gasoline, diesel and jet fuel. Anyone who says Obama is not doing enough to pull oil out of the ground is either ignorant or just likes spewing crap.
Obama isn't doing ****. Most of the production is coming from private lands leased out, public lands aren't producing currently.
 
Obama isn't doing ****. Most of the production is coming from private lands leased out, public lands aren't producing currently.

Right.. lets play that game.. then everytime on DP that some right wing nutjob says that "Under Bush gas was at $1.xx per gallon, and now under Obama its $4.xx a gallon" and they try to use that as an example of how its Obama's fault, I want you to personally tell them that they are full of ****. Deal?
 
Right.. lets play that game.. then everytime on DP that some right wing nutjob says that "Under Bush gas was at $1.xx per gallon, and now under Obama its $4.xx a gallon" and they try to use that as an example of how its Obama's fault, I want you to personally tell them that they are full of ****. Deal?
Did Bush issue a drilling moratoriam? No, he didn't, Obama bypassed Congress, and the federal courts. You have NO defense for this.
 
Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.

its the JOB of gov to do what the people need and end extorsion. Like the extorsion of the auto and oil corps.

Just like Gov ended the "Patent" medicine trade...........

Your CEO's control healthcare, and look at the prices we pay for that......NOPE, your CEO running anything is agianst Ameriica.

A lot of people think it's government's job to provide basic education, to teach every child basic literacy skills—reading and writing. Look how great a job they did of teaching you. You can't even write; much less demonstrate any grasp of the mathematics, business and economic principles, social issues, and technical issues that it would take to meaningfully discuss the topic that you are trying to discuss.
 
The US's largest export right now is fuel in the form of gasoline, diesel and jet fuel. Anyone who says Obama is not doing enough to pull oil out of the ground is either ignorant or just likes spewing crap.

Obama is not doing ANYTHING to pull oil out of the ground...and that's not crap, that's fact.

Your mention of our exports has nothing to do with Obama's actions. The People and markets decide what we export. Even if it DID have some correlation, it wouldn't have anything to do with Obama. The bulk of our oil is being produced by private enterprises...not Obama.
 
My thoughts are that Federal taxes should be gradually raised over a period of years to the point where (if this had been done in previous years at the current cost of gas) today's price would be $7 a gallon. People would be buying cars that get great mileage and clamoring for car manufacturers to improve efficiency.

And. I wouldn't have to guess whether the aisle behind me was clear as I tried to see around the big, honkin' SUV sitting next to me.

You should move over here to europe. You'd LOVE it! Gas prices rape your wallet on a daily basis. (~$8/gal)

Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.

I'm sorry bro, but this is a terrible idea. Gas is still cheaper here than in the rest of the world.
 
No, never. Americans should not "share" and be forced to ration, we're not that kind of country.

What kind of country are you?

Do you even know?
 
You should move over here to europe. You'd LOVE it! Gas prices rape your wallet on a daily basis. (~$8/gal)

Look at it this way: High gas prices are terrible for individuals, but great for the economy.

If you subscribe to peak oil, then you'll likely find the idea of a coming economic decline(due to the fall of the oil industry) valid. I find that high gas prices will force the implementation of an alternate infrastructure. And, well, the same is true about a lot; we'll be more ready to stop doing something if it's not working.
 
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