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Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

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News From AP | TBO.com=

Guns, climate, gays missing in presidential race

"The 2012 presidential campaign, not just the debates, has focused heavily from the start on jobs, pushing other once high-profile issues to the sidelines. It dismays activists who have spent decades promoting environmental issues, gay rights, gun control and other topics, sometimes managing to lift them to the top tiers of national attention and debate."

"Last June, 3,100 U.S. temperature records were broken and much of the nation was in drought, said Daniel Kessler, spokesman for 350 Action Fund, which tries to raise awareness of global warming. And yet the three presidential debates, and the sole vice presidential forum, produced "absolute silence on climate science," Kessler said.
He said he believes voters would respond favorably "if candidates put out a bold vision" on climate change. Instead, the topic generates far less discussion than it did four years ago. Other topics suffering downgrades in presidential campaign attention include:
GUNS"

"He told Hispanic leaders in June he would replace Obama's executive order allowing 800,000 young illegal immigrants to remain in the country with a long-term solution. But Romney didn't detail his plans, and immigration has played a smaller role in the general election than it did in the primary."


"The gay-oriented group Log Cabin Republicans gave Romney a somewhat tepid endorsement. "If LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) issues are a voter's highest or only priority, then Governor Romney may not be that voter's choice," the Log Cabin Republicans endorsement said. The group said it believed Romney would do a better job of cutting spending and creating jobs.
Those are precisely the issues that have dominated the campaign, often in basic discussions that don't go far beyond platitudes. Both campaigns have warned of the looming "fiscal cliff" - the package of huge tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled to hit Jan. 1 - but no one has come close to offering a viable solution."

I'm surprised more has not been discussed regarding these issues.

I'm a Green, so the climate change discussion is a big deal to me.

I'm pro gun but also think it is a phony issue because noone really suggest taking away our guns.

I thinks gays are nuts, but if they want to marry, it's OK by me.

I thnk a hard working immigrant is an asset to the Nation and deport the bums.
 
I don't know why I didn't get the poll option.

Questions:
Have Obama and Romney agreed not to discuss these issues?

Has the media agreed not to raise questions regarding thse issues?

Noone gives a rat's ass about these issues.

"The ignorance of the electorate cannot be underestimated."

This reflects a "framing" of political rhetoric.
 
I don't know why I didn't get the poll option.

Questions:
Have Obama and Romney agreed not to discuss these issues?

Has the media agreed not to raise questions regarding thse issues?

Noone gives a rat's ass about these issues.

"The ignorance of the electorate cannot be underestimated."

This reflects a "framing" of political rhetoric.

Other.

TMiddle East and the economy, Obamacare and taxes - they're all big ticket issues that everyone care about, the ones you listed aren't. Further, the issues you listed won't swing undecided voters(A pro-gun voter will probably go for Romney, while green/homosexual voters will probably go for Obama)
 
Noone gives a rat's ass about these issues.


This is the only obvious choice from your poll answers.

The "real" reason is those issues, while important, are far FAR FAR less important than other issues like jobs, economy, and foreign policy.

Simple as that.
 
This is the only obvious choice from your poll answers.

The "real" reason is those issues, while important, are far FAR FAR less important than other issues like jobs, economy, and foreign policy.

Simple as that.

So the climate is less important than deciding how we wreak havoc overseas?
 
News From AP | TBO.com=

Guns, climate, gays missing in presidential race

"The 2012 presidential campaign, not just the debates, has focused heavily from the start on jobs, pushing other once high-profile issues to the sidelines. It dismays activists who have spent decades promoting environmental issues, gay rights, gun control and other topics, sometimes managing to lift them to the top tiers of national attention and debate."

"Last June, 3,100 U.S. temperature records were broken and much of the nation was in drought, said Daniel Kessler, spokesman for 350 Action Fund, which tries to raise awareness of global warming. And yet the three presidential debates, and the sole vice presidential forum, produced "absolute silence on climate science," Kessler said.
He said he believes voters would respond favorably "if candidates put out a bold vision" on climate change. Instead, the topic generates far less discussion than it did four years ago. Other topics suffering downgrades in presidential campaign attention include:
GUNS"

"He told Hispanic leaders in June he would replace Obama's executive order allowing 800,000 young illegal immigrants to remain in the country with a long-term solution. But Romney didn't detail his plans, and immigration has played a smaller role in the general election than it did in the primary."


"The gay-oriented group Log Cabin Republicans gave Romney a somewhat tepid endorsement. "If LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) issues are a voter's highest or only priority, then Governor Romney may not be that voter's choice," the Log Cabin Republicans endorsement said. The group said it believed Romney would do a better job of cutting spending and creating jobs.
Those are precisely the issues that have dominated the campaign, often in basic discussions that don't go far beyond platitudes. Both campaigns have warned of the looming "fiscal cliff" - the package of huge tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled to hit Jan. 1 - but no one has come close to offering a viable solution."

I'm surprised more has not been discussed regarding these issues.

I'm a Green, so the climate change discussion is a big deal to me.

I'm pro gun but also think it is a phony issue because noone really suggest taking away our guns.

I thinks gays are nuts, but if they want to marry, it's OK by me.

I thnk a hard working immigrant is an asset to the Nation and deport the bums.

The issue I'm surprised no one addressed head on is that of student loans. It's the elephant in the room.

I'm also surprised Romney hasn't run more on his record in Massachuetts. It's pretty impressive; including his program to reward the top 25% of high school graduates with a full-ride scholarship to state universities and colleges. The current governor (a Democrat) is trying to institute more education reforms, including 2 extra free years of schooling at either a community college or vocational school. This is pretty impressive stuff.
 
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Guns, climate, gays missing in presidential race 

"The 2012 presidential campaign, not just the debates, has focused heavily from the start on jobs, pushing other once high-profile issues to the sidelines. It dismays activists who have spent decades promoting environmental issues, gay rights, gun control and other topics, sometimes managing to lift them to the top tiers of national attention and debate."

"Last June, 3,100 U.S. temperature records were broken and much of the nation was in drought, said Daniel Kessler, spokesman for 350 Action Fund, which tries to raise awareness of global warming. And yet the three presidential debates, and the sole vice presidential forum, produced "absolute silence on climate science," Kessler said.
He said he believes voters would respond favorably "if candidates put out a bold vision" on climate change. Instead, the topic generates far less discussion than it did four years ago. Other topics suffering downgrades in presidential campaign attention include:
GUNS"

"He told Hispanic leaders in June he would replace Obama's executive order allowing 800,000 young illegal immigrants to remain in the country with a long-term solution. But Romney didn't detail his plans, and immigration has played a smaller role in the general election than it did in the primary."


"The gay-oriented group Log Cabin Republicans gave Romney a somewhat tepid endorsement. "If LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) issues are a voter's highest or only priority, then Governor Romney may not be that voter's choice," the Log Cabin Republicans endorsement said. The group said it believed Romney would do a better job of cutting spending and creating jobs.
Those are precisely the issues that have dominated the campaign, often in basic discussions that don't go far beyond platitudes. Both campaigns have warned of the looming "fiscal cliff" - the package of huge tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled to hit Jan. 1 - but no one has come close to offering a viable solution."

I'm surprised more has not been discussed regarding these issues.

I'm a Green, so the climate change discussion is a big deal to me.

I'm pro gun but also think it is a phony issue because noone really suggest taking away our guns.

I thinks gays are nuts, but if they want to marry, it's OK by me.

I thnk a hard working immigrant is an asset to the Nation and deport the bums
.


I don't know about illegal immigration or the gay marriage issue but I do remember that both of them were asked about how they were going to **** on the 2nd amendment even more.(not literally but metaphorically)


Debate Fact Check: Romney and Obama talk assault weapons - Crimesider - CBS News


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/330856/romney-obama-and-automatic-weapons-charles-c-w-cooke
 
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Guns are simply not an issue in this campaign cycle because of one clear and unmistakable reality: the gun lobby has so completely and utterly won the day on this issue that nobody dare even bring it up at the cost of being labeled falsely as a gun grabber or anti-Second Amendment. This is a new sort of McCarthyism on this issue that has at its core and purpose to prevent and stifle any national debate on the issue whatsoever.
 
Guns are simply not an issue in this campaign cycle because of one clear and unmistakable reality: the gun lobby has so completely and utterly won the day on this issue that nobody dare even bring it up at the cost of being labeled falsely as a gun grabber or anti-Second Amendment. This is a new sort of McCarthyism on this issue that has at its core and purpose to prevent and stifle any national debate on the issue whatsoever.

Guns were brought up

Debate Fact Check: Romney and Obama talk assault weapons - Crimesider - CBS News

Romney, Obama, and Automatic Weapons - By Charles C. W. Cooke - The Corner - National Review Online
 
So the climate is less important than deciding how we wreak havoc overseas?

1) you do understand that's number 3 on my list
2) if you have a family member in the military - yes
3) from a financial standpoint - it clearly ties right back in with the economy
4) Iran, the Middle East, and oil are pretty darn important issues the President has to deal with

If you're jobless, on the brink of bankruptcy, a few weeks shy of losing your home, or have a child/family member/friend/relative in Afghanistan, I'd bet your concerns about the polar ice melting away a few hundred years from now are far down on your list of priorities.
 
This is the only obvious choice from your poll answers.

The "real" reason is those issues, while important, are far FAR FAR less important than other issues like jobs, economy, and foreign policy.

Simple as that.

I like your answer but I do not agree. Those issues are more emotionally close to us and immediate, so we give them a priority, and that is understandable. Climate change does not seem immediate unless you start counting the disappearing species, and recognize that we are the culprits and money and greed are the motivating forces behind Climate Change/Global Warming. If we simply establish a real program to mitigate Global Warming, that program will automatically lstart creating jobs. In the end jobs will be lost in the Big Energy industries that have lots of money and greed. Damn shame. Big Energy built a pretty damn good world, but we did not look far enough into the future and the future is here. Big Energy was kinda the "good guy," but now that their bottom lines could be affected, they are the "bad guys." They fight the change instead of embracing it and adjusting to an inevitable change. At some point, the other Nations of the World will be forced to threaten the USA to get on the bandwagon for the sake of the planet.
 
I realize they were brought up. But that teeny tiny blip hardly constitutes it to rising to the level of an actual issue.

Both you and the OP implied that guns were not brought up.What you call a teeny bit does say a lot to how the person views the 2nd amendment.That teeny bit says exactly how they would handle brady bill or some other unconstitutional measure should it reach their desk.
 
They probably don't discuss these issues because they agree on these issues.
 
1) you do understand that's number 3 on my list
2) if you have a family member in the military - yes
3) from a financial standpoint - it clearly ties right back in with the economy
4) Iran, the Middle East, and oil are pretty darn important issues the President has to deal with

If you're jobless, on the brink of bankruptcy, a few weeks shy of losing your home, or have a child/family member/friend/relative in Afghanistan, I'd bet your concerns about the polar ice melting away a few hundred years from now are far down on your list of priorities.


That's why the issue should be a political one. What you state is exactly true and while families try protecting their immediate futures, the Nation must protect our long term future with sustainable policies. That is the importance of the issue. Personally, I think the guns are a bogus issue generated by extreme right wing activists, and people are pretty tolerant, so the gay issue will resolve itself. Climate Change will not resolve itself to our benefit.
 
The USofA is doing a fine job of changing it's habits regarding pollution and other things. We are not China, India, or Africa. We have the EPA and other things going that help to clean up rivers and protect the planet from corporations dumping sh!t into the water and/or burying it in a hole "out back".

Once we fix the economy, the job situation, and the out-of-control spending our country is currently drowning in, we can shift focus to other things on the list.


But priorities are priorities and climate change just isn't a TOP priority right now.

That's just the way it is.


If you're house is on fire, are you gonna care if a glass of wine gets spilled on the white rug?
 
1) you do understand that's number 3 on my list
2) if you have a family member in the military - yes
3) from a financial standpoint - it clearly ties right back in with the economy
4) Iran, the Middle East, and oil are pretty darn important issues the President has to deal with

If you're jobless, on the brink of bankruptcy, a few weeks shy of losing your home, or have a child/family member/friend/relative in Afghanistan, I'd bet your concerns about the polar ice melting away a few hundred years from now are far down on your list of priorities.

But that's not what we do, hun. :2wave:

We're all about upholding our image as a world power. We're all about sending kids to war, often against their will. We're all about upholding market fascism. We're all about crushing potentially beneficial governments. We're all about human rights violations. We're all about war crimes. We're all about drones and civilian casualties. We're all about national failures.

We're all about burning qurans. :ssst:

The military budget needs to be slashed and we, as a country, need to invest this money in education and energy.
 
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