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For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

  • Yes, I'd bear the child and raise it

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • Yes, I'd bear the child and give it up for adoption

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, I would have an abortion

    Votes: 11 64.7%

  • No, I would seek out plan B, but if it didn't work I raise it

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, I would seek out plan B, but if it didn't work, I would give it up for adoption

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Undecided/don't know

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Total voters
    17
joko104 said:
ChrisL said:
joko104 said:
Intelligence level is primarily inherited. Twin studies and adoption studies have shown that intelligence is primarily inherited

Is Intelligence Inherited

So are genetic birth defects, physical abilities and limitations, propensity towards alcoholism and substance abuse, genetic birth defects at birth or health issues later in life, and it arguable that many personality traits are inherited - just like any other upper level mammal, dogs and cats.

I feel VERY strongly that it is 100% a woman's right to PICK who is the biological father of her children. I also think it is a 100% right of a woman to decide whether or not to have a child, and if so when and by who, provide he is agreeable.

Other than her right to life, I can think of no greater right a woman has. That is one reason why I see rape as such a horrific crime and that violent rape should be a capital offense.

Do you think ANY woman who uses a sperm bank says "I don't care about the bio-father's traits, race, intelligence, physical traits, so just pick one randomly or mix different vials together for pot luck?"
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From your "study" (and I use the term loosely - again this is more like an article based upon a study than an actual study).

"Is There a Gene For Intelligence?
Although there have been some suggestions, no single gene has yet been conclusively linked to intelligence. Rather it appears to be a case of complex interactions on many levels between many different genes – something known as polygenic inheritance."

I don't know what you are trying to suggest other than the offspring of criminals are also criminals, and that is simply NOT true.
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ChrisL said:
Again, this is NOT a legitimate study. Find the source of the study, so that the study can be dissected, including the peer reviews.

So are you saying that children that are the product of rape should automatically be exterminated?
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I am claiming nothing of the sort. I'm pro-choice btw.

What about the interviewed woman who asked "How can I love my daughter more?"

How are you going to cope when your 15 year old son reminds you of your rapist whenever you catch a glimpse of him out of the corner of your eye.
 
joko104 said:
If the woman elects to have the child, she 100% MUST accept ALL parental responsibilities. The pro-life claim that the mother should just have the child and then toss it off to some adoption agency or foster care is grotesquely immoral in my opinion. To claim "she can just get rid of the child at birth by abandoning the newborn to the government or some kids-for-sale group (which is what adoption agency is)," is as much of "I don't give a damn about children once born" as it gets.
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If it were me, that is what I would do, but there is no requirement that a woman who was raped must not give it up for adoption, any more than there is a requirement that a young girl must not giver her baby up for adoption, just because she was young and stupid, and ended up pregnant.
 
joko104 said:
If the woman elects to have the child, she 100% MUST accept ALL parental responsibilities. The pro-life claim that the mother should just have the child and then toss it off to some adoption agency or foster care is grotesquely immoral in my opinion. To claim "she can just get rid of the child at birth by abandoning the newborn to the government or some kids-for-sale group (which is what adoption agency is)," is as much of "I don't give a damn about children once born" as it gets. I was such a newborn and was sent straight to living hell per government policy.
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Your being hypocritical then, forcing YOUR moral judgments onto a woman for wanting to spare the child's life. The same that you would claim a pro-lifer does in cases of abortion.

I know several people who were adopted and have led perfectly happy and healthy lives.
 
Mickey Shane said:
I am claiming nothing of the sort. I'm pro-choice btw.

What about the interviewed woman who asked "How can I love my daughter more?"

How are you going to cope when your 15 year old son reminds you of your rapist whenever you catch a glimpse of him out of the corner of your eye.
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Maybe I would see my child as his own separate human being who is completely innocent of what his sperm donor did? You cannot predict these things. One person might not be able to handle it all, but another person might be able to handle it just fine.
 
I understand where this question came from, but damn!

This is a hell of a question to ask someone...I don't think anyone would truly know what they would do after going through such a traumatic event then getting pregnant from it. It isn't a fair thing to ask anyone to imagine that they get raped and pregnant.

I honestly find it disgusting. I wish no person would have to go through this or even think about going through it.
 
ChrisL said:
joko104 said:
ChrisL said:
From your "study" (and I use the term loosely - again this is more like an article based upon a study than an actual study).

"Is There a Gene For Intelligence?
Although there have been some suggestions, no single gene has yet been conclusively linked to intelligence. Rather it appears to be a case of complex interactions on many levels between many different genes – something known as polygenic inheritance."

I don't know what you are trying to suggest other than the offspring of criminals are also criminals, and that is simply NOT true.
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Your blowing off the study for lack of absolute DNA mapping is your just blowing off reality with a diversion.

I don't understand your fixation on criminalism. I am writing about intelligence. Raising a predictablly likely low intelligence child is not something that should be forced upon a woman against her wishes.
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joko104 said:
ChrisL said:
joko104 said:
Your blowing off the study for lack of absolute DNA mapping is your just blowing off reality with a diversion.

I don't understand your fixation on criminalism. I am writing about intelligence. Raising a predictablly likely low intelligence child is not something that should be forced upon a woman against her wishes.
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Anyone can find an study (or an article) to back up their opinion. If the article doesn't stand up to scrutiny and cannot prove a causative link (causative being the KEY word here), then it is nothing but theory and opinion (IOW, a junk study).

Nobody is talking about forcing the woman to have or keep the child. I simply stated MY opinion, which was asked. What IS your problem anyway?
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AreteCourage said:
I understand where this question came from, but damn!

This is a hell of a question to ask someone...I don't think anyone would truly know what they would do after going through such a traumatic event then getting pregnant from it. It isn't a fair thing to ask anyone to imagine that they get raped and pregnant.

I honestly find it disgusting. I wish no person would have to go through this or even think about going through it.
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I personally think it's a good question, as it attempts to make people stop and think about whether or not they really mean what they say, if they are anti-abortion. There are some people who are anti-abortion based on a belief that life is sacred and that the unborn are innocent humans, but they fail to take into account that women who are also innocent, in the case of a rape. The question (to me) is are we consistent in our beliefs about whether or not life is to be protected, no matter the source or cause of that life, or are we really saying that only *certain* innocent life is to be protected?
 
lizzie said:
I personally think it's a good question, as it attempts to make people stop and think about whether or not they really mean what they say, if they are anti-abortion. There are some people who are anti-abortion based on a belief that life is sacred and that the unborn are innocent humans, but they fail to take into account that women who are also innocent, in the case of a rape. The question (to me) is are we consistent in our beliefs about whether or not life is to be protected, no matter the source or cause of that life, or are we really saying that only *certain* innocent life is to be protected?
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I think innocent life should be protected when it is at all feasible. I am more than capable of being able to accept different sets of circumstances. Life is not all black and white.
 
ChrisL said:
Your being hypocritical then, forcing YOUR moral judgments onto a woman for wanting to spare the child's life. The same that you would claim a pro-lifer does in cases of abortion.

I know several people who were adopted and have led perfectly happy and healthy lives.
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Don't moralized down at me. I've posted before that I am the "adoptive" father of child conceived in a violent rape - not a topic I will go into detail on. However, that woman, very pro-choice, went to EXTREME lengths to explore the gender, every possible physical natures of the assailant, and every possible examination to determine if there was ANY indication of birth defects or DNA delinquencies to make her decision. She would not have the male child of the rapist and she would not give birth to a defected child or otherwise in any way possibly not acceptable to her because it WAS HER CHOICE.

Unless all tests came up perfect, she was going to abort and claim it a miscarriage. Even then, she went to extreme and successful degrees to avoid any stigma to her or her child being from "rape" - including that I appear on birth records as the bio-father, which I am not. Her goal was to entirely regain control of her life as much as possible. Prior, she was shallowing pro-choice without thinking much of it. But along that path her hatred of pro-life activists went off the charts - sentiments she still has. It was pro-choice on her side and pro-life her enemies in very real ways.
 
joko104 said:
Don't moralized down at me. I've posted before that I am the "adoptive" father of child conceived in a violent rape - not a topic I will go into detail on. However, that woman, very pro-choice, went to EXTREME lengths to explore the gender, every possible physical natures of the assailant, and every possible examination to determine if there was ANY indication of birth defects or DNA delinquencies to make her decision. She would not have the male child of the rapist and she would not give birth to a defected child or otherwise in any way possibly not acceptable to her because it WAS HER CHOICE.

Unless all tests came up perfect, she was going to abort and claim it a miscarriage. Even then, she went to extreme and successful degrees to avoid any stigma to her or her child being from "rape" - including that I appear on birth records as the bio-father, which I am not. Her goal was to entirely regain control of her life as much as possible. Prior, she was shallowing pro-choice without thinking much of it. But along that path her hatred of pro-life activists went off the charts - sentiments she still has.
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Whatever dude. I don't know you, and I don't care about your personal issues. The question was asked what would I do, and I answered it. Now you are taking it upon yourself to continually bug out on me about my answer. You DON'T have to like it. I DON'T feel obligated to answer a question in a way that pleases you or anyone else.
 
Mickey Shane said:
I cannot fathom a woman deciding to bring a child into the world who's genetic makeup is 50% hereditary from a rapist.
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Oh damn. I'm not supposed to post on this thread since I'm male. And I, I shouldn't and can't justify it since so many other males have. But. here goes.
I can't imagine having sex by force. I've met people that think that is a natural tendency for men. It's not. As a male I've always felt that I have to offer a woman a non-threating and safe experience. I may have learned this somehow, but it may be genetic. If rape has a genetic component should a raped woman take a chance of passing it on. Should she be required to take a chance of passing it on?
 
ChrisL said:
I think innocent life should be protected when it is at all feasible. I am more than capable of being able to accept different sets of circumstances. Life is not all black and white.
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I don't think it is black and white either, but I do think that there is a general tendency to pick and choose what we uphold as worthy of protection, based on emotional and psychological circumstances.
 
I don't really know what I would do, but I would like to think that I could be a big enough person to at least carry and give birth to the child. If I thought I couldn't handle raising the child myself, I would give it up for adoption. IMO, it's not right to take away the potential life of the child because of the "mistakes" or "crimes" of its parent (s).
 
Arcana XV said:
Morning after pill, people. There's no need to wait until you miss your period. Nip it in the bud. It's certainly what I would do.
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I see. Any young woman or girl should be required to go to the store and buy a morning after pill after being raped. I think I understand you.
 
lizzie said:
I don't think it is black and white either, but I do think that there is a general tendency to pick and choose what we uphold as worthy of protection, based on emotional and psychological circumstances.
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I don't think it's about "picking and choosing." It's about recognizing that there are certain circumstances beyond our control and that there is not always going to be a "fairy tale" ending, no matter how much you want it. Sometimes it's not about what you would CHOOSE but rather it is based on necessity.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't think it's about "picking and choosing." It's about recognizing that there are certain circumstances beyond our control and that there is not always going to be a "fairy tale" ending, no matter how much you want it. Sometimes it's not about what you would CHOOSE but rather it is based on necessity.
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I think you are misunderstanding my point, which is that those who sometimes claim to be pro-life, are only pro-life to a certain extent, which is inconsistent with a belief that innocent life is to be protected.
 
lizzie said:
I think you are misunderstanding my point, which is that those who sometimes claim to be pro-life, are only pro-life to a certain extent, which is inconsistent with a belief that innocent life is to be protected.
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You can be pro-life in instances in which it is feasible and still recognize that there are instances when it is not. That is not to say that you don't still WANT to protect innocent life though. You can also be pro-life and recognize the fact that you can't FORCE that onto everyone else, so I disagree that it is "inconsistent." It is also recognizing the fact that YOU don't have the power to change the way everyone else thinks.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
I see. Any young woman or girl should be required to go to the store and buy a morning after pill after being raped. I think I understand you.
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Where did I say that it's a requirement? The OP asks what I, as a woman, would do in such a situation. I certainly would not wait weeks to find out if I'm pregnant.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I've droned on and on about this in this forum - so I don't need to rehash much. But unfortunately I have been molested and raped. Really - the only difference is age when it comes to applying the terms. It's all the same **** in the end. But when I think of this I think of two incidences that happened after my period started - because that carried the risk of actual pregnancy. The idea of carrying the child of my cousin - or old ****face hetch - is so disgusting it makes me sick to think of the possibilities - it could have happened so easily, too . . .just a few days earlier or later. *vomit* it just makes my skin crawl. Of course I'd abort - holy **** - without a doubt. Sorry - but there's no way anyone could convince me otherwise . . . If it's a matter of being moral vs immoral then I guess I'm just one hell of an immoral succubus from hell for not wanting to parent a child with my either of them.

My cousin and some old twisted pervert from my dad's church.

**** that - **** you if you think I should WANT to. You can . . . the nutty pro lifers can carry their Damned Daddy's babies all they want in some twisted family-triangle psycho **** circus all they damned well please.

Not me.

Oh no - no ****ing way.

All of my children were conceived and carried out of love. Sure - it didn't all go well (ok - it was hell) - but it was a hell I opted for and decided I wanted and love was only thing that go me through it it all.

Maybe if I was raped by more decent people who don't make me sick to my stomach to just remember I'd have a different view. But that's not the case - so I don't.
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Hugs AS, I can't even imagine.
 
Well I'm on BC so I doubt that I would get pregnant if that horrible thing did ever happen to me, and I do plan on getting a CCW at some point in the future so hopefully there would be 3 bullets in the would be rapists chest before he could do anything.

But if I where to happen, and I did get pregnant I would lean towards having an abortion, I can't really know since I haven't, and hopefully am never in that situation, but I just can't see myself going through 9 months of pregnancy because of a rapist. The trauma I image would be unbearable.
 
Your Star said:
Hugs AS, I can't even imagine.
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It's a horrible situation that I'm sure we all wish we could prevent.

Aunt Spiker's situation is just the kind of situation I am referring to. She feels the way she feels. There is nothing I can do to change this, and I don't think she is "wrong" for the way she feels. I would NEVER condemn her for her decision to do what she feels is right or look down upon her for it, but I can still be pro-life in the fact that I don't have to agree with it either, and I can still think that it is a shame that circumstances led to this decision.

You can be pro-life but also be realistic about it. Just because I'm pro-life does not mean that I am too obtuse to recognize that in some cases that is just asking TOO much from a person. I can totally understand how a woman's mental health and/or life could be effected by situations like these, but I can still feel sad about the loss of a potential life and that women even have to make such "choices."

I don't understand why everyone thinks you have to so rigid in your thinking and cannot take a more realistic approach to things. It doesn't undermine what I would PREFER to see happen.
 
Mickey Shane said:
I cannot fathom a woman deciding to bring a child into the world who's genetic makeup is 50% hereditary from a rapist.
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This is how I feel too.....I've never been in this position so can't 100% say what I would do but thank goodness the choice is there if abortion was my decision.
 
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