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For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

  • Yes, I'd bear the child and raise it

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • Yes, I'd bear the child and give it up for adoption

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, I would have an abortion

    Votes: 11 64.7%

  • No, I would seek out plan B, but if it didn't work I raise it

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, I would seek out plan B, but if it didn't work, I would give it up for adoption

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Undecided/don't know

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Total voters
    17
JohnWOlin said:
Yeah your dad and I met when he attacked me in the Kmart parking lot. The end. Now quit looking at me you have his horrible eyes that haunt my nightmares."
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You are speaking as though the child will "remind" her of the rape. Like if she wasn't pregnant and had aborted the unborn child then she would just forget about it.......
 
Mickey Shane said:
I cannot fathom a woman deciding to bring a child into the world who's genetic makeup is 50% hereditary from a rapist.
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What is that supposed to mean?
 
I would bear the child and either raise or place him/her for adoption.
 
ChrisL said:
What is that supposed to mean?
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Rapists are twisted, mean, foul individuals. There's a chance that their offspring could harbor some of those traits.
 
Mickey Shane said:
Rapists are twisted, mean, foul individuals. There's a chance that their offspring could harbor some of those traits.
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Oh really? Where is your evidence of this? I've never heard of "raping" being a hereditary trait before.
 
ChrisL said:
What is that supposed to mean?
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There are women who do think about the genetics of the child(ren) she will have in who she has children with. Is the man intelligent or a slow learner? What does he look like physically in relation to her? Etc. That certainly is a right the woman has.

Obviously that is a child who is going to grow up without his father in many instances. And in many instances it is forcing a young woman to be a single mother and all the stigma problems, lose of future relationship potentials, possibly destroyed academic and employment future, lose of time freedom, lost of travel ability, life inhibitors, and economic challenges that causes.

How old she is, what her circumstance in life is already, and whether there is a supportive husband and family would make a big difference on what having the baby means in real terms. The attitude of the husband and family would matter too.

There are pro-lifers who claim a woman is responsible for all that because she decided to have sex and take the risk. Then will do a 180 turn and claim all that argument is irrelevant and the woman should just have the baby and then throw it away after birth.
 
Mickey Shane said:
I cannot fathom a woman deciding to bring a child into the world who's genetic makeup is 50% hereditary from a rapist.
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That assumes that a person's character traits and behaviors are dependent on heredity, and not on environment, which I do not believe to be the case.
 
joko104 said:
There are women who do think about the genetics of the child(ren) she will have in who she has children with. Is the man intelligent or a slow learner? What does he look like physically in relation to her? Etc. That certainly is a right the woman has.
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None of this is a guarantee of anything though, except for physical attributes. Of course this is a right she has, but we aren't talking about selective mating here.

Obviously that is a child who is going to grow up without his father in many instances. And in many instances it is forcing a young woman to be a single mother and all the stigma problems, lose of future relationship potentials, possibly destroyed academic and employment future, lose of time freedom, lost of travel ability, life inhibitors, and economic challenges that causes.
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There are PLENTY of single mothers out there. What's your point?

How old she is, what her circumstance in life is already, and whether there is a supportive husband and family would make a big difference on what having the baby means in real terms. The attitude of the husband and family would matter too.
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Again, we aren't talking about consensual sex here.

There are pro-lifers who claim a woman is responsible for all that because she decided to have sex and take the risk. Then will do a 180 turn and claim all that argument is irrelevant and the woman should just have the baby and then throw it away after birth.
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Giving up a child for adoption is NOT throwing it away. It is ALLOWING that child to have a chance to LIVE.
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JohnWOlin said:
A poll on the Internet isn't going to give you an honest answer. I'd say a woman would be stupid to go through it adoption or not. It's not a good thing no matter the decision. How you gonna tell the kid anything? "Yeah your dad and I met when he attacked me in the Kmart parking lot. The end. Now quit looking at me you have his horrible eyes that haunt my nightmares."
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It takes a willingness to put the interest of someone else above that of yourself.
 
lizzie said:
That assumes that a person's character traits and behaviors are dependent on heredity, and not on environment, which I do not believe to be the case.
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I agree. I think MOST criminals are a product of their environment.
 
lizzie said:
It takes a willingness to put the interest of someone else above that of yourself.
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And an ability to realize that the child is ALSO a part of you and is not in any way responsible.
 
ChrisL said:
And an ability to realize that the child is ALSO a part of you and is not in any way responsible.
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I think I pretty much covered that in my initial response to the poll last night:
Yes, I would keep it and raise it. It was not the child's fault that a rape caused his existence, and a rape does not devalue a child which was a product of it.
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Mickey Shane said:
STUDY SAYS CRIMINAL TENDENCIES MAY BE INHERITED - NYTimes.com
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This study is so incomplete it's not even funny. Was it peer reviewed? I don't see any mention of any peer reviews. It's full of "mays" and "mights." It mentions nothing about crime being hereditary. It simply says certain traits, such as low intelligence and alcoholism. There is NO mention of genetics being a CAUSATIVE factor for anyone involved in the study either.

You'll have to do better than this.
 
Mickey Shane said:
STUDY SAYS CRIMINAL TENDENCIES MAY BE INHERITED - NYTimes.com
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From the article:
This finding, the scientist said, implies that it should be possible to achieve a ''marked'' reduction in America's crime rate if those so predisposed could be identified in early childhood and given preventive treatment.
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Dr. Mednick said that he did not believe that criminal behavior itself was inherited. Rather, he theorized, what is inherited are biological factors that might be associated with crime. As possible examples, he cited nervous system characteristics, low intelligence and predisposition to alcoholism. 14,427 Life Histories Studied
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For example, among sons placed with adoptive parents having no criminal backgrounds, 20 percent of those whose biological fathers were criminals were found to have had criminal convictions, but only 13.5 percent of those born of noncriminal fathers did.
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It sounds to me like the article is suggesting that environment and treatment do indeed play a role, and the percentage difference cited is not that significant.
 
ChrisL said:
joko104 said:
None of this is a guarantee of anything though, except for physical attributes. Of course this is a right she has, but we aren't talking about selective mating here.



There are PLENTY of single mothers out there. What's your point?



Again, we aren't talking about consensual sex here.



Giving up a child for adoption is NOT throwing it away. It is ALLOWING that child to have a chance to LIVE.
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To claim there is no linkage of IQ to DNA nor any linkage to health to DNA is just untrue.

So you support women being a single parent? Like it or not?

Since we obviously disagree whether a ZEF is a "child" or not, that's just the abortion debate in general.
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It's a pretty slippery (and dangerous) slope to assume that because a parent (s) committed a crime that a person born to him or her would be a criminal and commit crimes too.
 
I wonder how any of these idea of environment or genetics takes into account those that grow up in hellholes where moral character is not something that exists and turns out to be one of the nicest, most caring people you will ever meet.

I personally never thought of it that much, but there seems to be holes in either theory.
 
ChrisL said:
This study is so incomplete it's not even funny. Was it peer reviewed? I don't see any mention of any peer reviews. It's full of "mays" and "mights." It mentions nothing about crime being hereditary. It simply says certain traits, such as low intelligence and alcoholism. There is NO mention of genetics being a CAUSATIVE factor for anyone involved in the study either.

You'll have to do better than this.
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How about a little study of Bastard children?

The Legitimate Children of Rape : The New Yorker
 
joko104 said:
ChrisL said:
To claim there is no linkage of IQ to DNA nor any linkage to health to DNA is just untrue.
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There is no credible evidence to support that intelligence is passed on to offspring. Some mental illness may be in SOME cases, not all.

So you support women being a single parent? Like it or not?
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Why would you ask that? You wouldn't support a woman's decision to be a single parent? Should she be pressured into having an abortion?

Since we obviously disagree whether a ZEF is a "child" or not, that's just the abortion debate in general.
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:shrug:
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Henrin said:
I wonder how any of these idea of environment or genetics takes into account those that grow up in hellholes where moral character is not something that exists and turns out to be one of the nicest, most caring people you will ever meet.

I personally never thought of it that much, but there seems to be holes in either theory.
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I think that both can play a contributing role, but NEITHER are a guarantee of how a child will turn out.
 
Mickey Shane said:
How about a little study of Bastard children?

The Legitimate Children of Rape : The New Yorker
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That wasn't a study of bastard children, but a study of the effects of rape on women and on the issue of choice.

I have no doubt that there are women who could not handle raising a child which was the product of a rape, without damaging the child just by her own psychological incapabilities, which is why I believe the choice is needed, but having a child who is the product of a rape does not, in and of itself, indicate that the child is less valuable or less deserving of a loving environment.
 
ChrisL said:
joko104 said:
ChrisL said:
There is no credible evidence to support that intelligence is passed on to offspring. Some mental illness may be in SOME cases, not all.



Why would you ask that? You wouldn't support a woman's decision to be a single parent? Should she be pressured into having an abortion?



:shrug:
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Intelligence level is primarily inherited. Twin studies and adoption studies have shown that intelligence is primarily inherited

Is Intelligence Inherited

So are genetic birth defects, physical abilities and limitations, propensity towards alcoholism and substance abuse, genetic birth defects at birth or health issues later in life, and it arguable that many personality traits are inherited - just like any other upper level mammal, dogs and cats.

I feel VERY strongly that it is 100% a woman's right to PICK who is the biological father of her children. I also think it is a 100% right of a woman to decide whether or not to have a child, and if so when and by who, provide he is agreeable.

Other than her right to life, I can think of no greater right a woman has. That is one reason why I see rape as such a horrific crime and that violent rape should be a capital offense.

Do you think ANY woman who uses a sperm bank says "I don't care about the bio-father's traits, race, intelligence, physical traits, so just pick one randomly or mix different vials together for pot luck?"
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lizzie said:
That wasn't a study of bastard children, but a study of the effects of rape on women and on the issue of choice.

I have no doubt that there are women who could not handle raising a child which was the product of a rape, without damaging the child just by her own psychological incapabilities, which is why I believe the choice is needed, but having a child who is the product of a rape does not, in and of itself, indicate that the child is less valuable or less deserving of a loving environment.
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If the woman elects to have the child, she 100% MUST accept ALL parental responsibilities. The pro-life claim that the mother should just have the child and then toss it off to some adoption agency or foster care is grotesquely immoral in my opinion. To claim "she can just get rid of the child at birth by abandoning the newborn to the government or some kids-for-sale group (which is what adoption agency is)," is as much of "I don't give a damn about children once born" as it gets. I was such a newborn and was sent straight to living hell per government policy.
 
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