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Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?


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Sharia law hasn't got a snowflake's chance in hell of becoming part of mainstay law in the US. Our law system is strictly secular. Sharia makes no effort to disguise that it is religious law. The two are simply not compatible. Any effort to push Sharia law into secular courts will see the extraordinary occurrence of Atheists and Christians cooperating together to oppose such an attempt.
 
We have a Constiution. That Constitution makes this impossible. Win.
 

As a general word of advice, quoting Ann Coulter is a bad idea, unless you're doing it for humor value. She's made a very good living saying outrageous things, and given her educational background, I suspect she's doing so for intensely cynical reasons. Here are a few of my favorites:


"You will find liberals always rooting for savages against civilization." –Ann Coulter
"They didn't root for the Nazis against civilization." –Bill O'Reilly
"Oh yes they did. ... It was only when Hitler invaded their precious Soviet Union that at the last minute they came in and suddenly started saying oh no, now you have to fight Hitler." –Ann Coulter, "The O'Reilly Factor," May 7, 2010

"I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester. ... I am personally opposed to shooting abortionists, but I don't want to impose my moral values on others." --on the murder of Kansas abortion doctor George Tiller, FOX News interview, June 22, 2009

"We just want Jews to be perfected, as they say." --arguing that it would be better if we were all Christian

"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

"We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals."

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"

-http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/anncoulter.htm

So... yeah. Not someone you should count on as a viable source of information.
 
I'd like to say a few things for the record, for that I won't get accused of defending or appeasing islamism:

Of course Islamism is a problem. And even among those Muslims who don't turn to violent organizations, there is an interpretation of Islam prevalent that's very hard to reconcile with Western values. Sharia is not compatible with Western values, no matter if it's a die-hard Salafist variant or a more lenient one. Unfortunately, way too many Muslims still cling to literalist ("fundamentalist") interpretations of Islam, according to which only Muslims go to heaven no matter what they do, and non-Muslims go to hell. God is a angry, punishing God who expects nothing but obedience, not a loving God. Mere belief is considered more important than actions. Because of that, many Muslims focus more on superficial symbols and rituals, than real spirituality.

Unlike in Christianity or Judaism, thoughts of humanism or enlightenment have not influenced theology on a broad scale (yet), most Muslim schools don't use historization to interpret Quran. Hence orthodox and fundamentalist interpretations of Islam divide the world into the umma of believers and the outside, taking unbelievers as friends is not allowed, jihad is obligation (although there are different interpretations if that really means using weapons and violence), there is no freedom of religion as apostasy deserves death. Orthodox and fundamentalist interpretations of Islam are not just a religion, but a religious-political ideology with totalitarian streaks.

There are a few attempts to open Muslim theology for modernization, as for example in the Ankara school, which introduced historical hermeneutics to interpret Quran.

That said, not all Muslims are brainwashed disciples of their religious teachers. There is a considerable diversity in Muslim countries. They are humans, after all, and religion does not necessarily play an important role in their lives. Many simply observe the rules due to societal pressure, fear and tradition. In many regions, there are strong regional traditions in contradiction with Quran, which still have survived up to today. And as Muslims are humans too, you find many people who don't take everything at face value what their imams tell them. Most are not actively violent. In some placed, they live peacefully side by side with members of other religions. In some places, the rules are stricter than in others. In some countries, you find strong nationalism or political ideology competing with religion, in other places archaic tribal affiliations. The degree of economic development and education varies very much too, from one Muslim country to the next.

So I am convinced, while Islam may be a problem, "the Muslims" are not. Some of them are, of course, and as far as I can see, they are dealt with accordingly. But no need to paint them all with the same broad brush.

I'll hope and pray that modern interpretations of Quran and understandings of Islam, which are well compatible with human rights and Western values, will gain more popularity among Muslims. As I see it, it's only a matter of time.

This is a pretty good post, but it bears mentioning that Islam, as it currently stands, is really not very much like Islam as it was a couple of hundred years ago, or even 75 years ago. The hardliners have re-taken control. The point that I'm making is that when you're talking about "modernizing" Islam, you're skipping over the fact that it was way the hell more progressive a century or two ago than it is right now.
 
“The portrayal of Senator Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren’t cowering in fear during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation’s ability to defend itself while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy’s name. Everything you think you know about McCarthy is a hegemonic lie. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis.” — Ann Coulter, P. 10

Gimme a break. History has proven that mccarthy was a parniod ignorant idiot. Nothing proves that more than Coulters' attempt to rehabilitate a republican who turned american against american. He didn't find a single commie in the government so he decided to go after hollywood - as tho they were the perveyors of american political philosophy. whenever I am reminded of mccrathey that famous line from forest gump jumps out at me......
"stupid is as stupid does".

I watched Coulter's interaction with Maher the other day and in his presence, she reverted to her real self. I kinda like her in reality. OTOH, her money making persona is obnoxious.
 
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Sharia law hasn't got a snowflake's chance in hell of becoming part of mainstay law in the US. Our law system is strictly secular. Sharia makes no effort to disguise that it is religious law. The two are simply not compatible. Any effort to push Sharia law into secular courts will see the extraordinary occurrence of Atheists and Christians cooperating together to oppose such an attempt.

You would think so, wouldn't you?

But check this out. It freaked me out.


Federal court blocks Oklahoma ban on Sharia - CNN.com
 
Gimme a break. History has proven that mccarthy was a parniod ignorant idiot. Nothing proves that more than Coulters' attempt to rehabilitate a republican who turned american against american. He didn't find a single commie in the government so he decided to go after hollywood - as tho they were the perveyors of american political philosophy. whenever I am reminded of mccrathey that famous line from forest gump jumps out at me......
"stupid is as stupid does".

I watched Coulter's interaction with Maher the other day and in his presence, she reverted to her real self. I kinda like her in reality. OTOH, her money making persona is obnoxious.

They have been friends for years, as odd as that might seem. Some readers might also be surprised to learn that Ann Coulter once had a Muslim b/f.

And, as far as McCarthy is concerned, I've heard the conventional wisdom about Tailgunner Joe all these years. And I saw the Clooney film about Edw. R. Murrow's broadcasts that took McCarthy down. But, we all know that there are two sides bto these kinds of stories and the conventional wisdom on McCarthy is nothing but the Lib/Left Wing/Progressive/Democrat version. And of course that HAS to be the 100% truth.

LOLOLOLOL

Ann Coulter explains things pretty well in the quote I posted. And it makes a lot of sense.
 
You would think so, wouldn't you?

But check this out. It freaked me out.


Federal court blocks Oklahoma ban on Sharia - CNN.com


and once again you fail to understand and appreciate what your country's constitution is all about. It sure as hell aint' about supporting your hatred against a particular religion or culture. Its about the fact that oklamha deceided that Islam should be centered out..

The fact that these ignorant bigots exploit the fear and ignorance of their constituancy, and that the supreme court tells them to take a hike is perhaps the most telling endorsment of the constitution one could imagine.
 
You would think so, wouldn't you?

But check this out. It freaked me out.


Federal court blocks Oklahoma ban on Sharia - CNN.com

"From the Article said:
The proposed amendment discriminates among religions," said the judges. "The Oklahoma amendment specifically names the target of its discrimination. The only religious law mentioned in the amendment is Sharia law."

Judges striking down discrimination freak you out?

Maybe if the ban said "any religious law" YOU MAY HAVE HAD A POINT.

This is not quite the same as Oklahoma passing Sharia .
Cute attempt at further fearmongering on your part though.
Do not pass go,do not collect 200 dollars.
And while you are at it,care to answer some of the questions I've been asking you and you've been ducking?
Like the one I asked on Post 223 amongst others?
 
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They have been friends for years, as odd as that might seem. Some readers might also be surprised to learn that Ann Coulter once had a Muslim b/f.

And, as far as McCarthy is concerned, I've heard the conventional wisdom about Tailgunner Joe all these years. And I saw the Clooney film about Edw. R. Murrow's broadcasts that took McCarthy down. But, we all know that there are two sides bto these kinds of stories and the conventional wisdom on McCarthy is nothing but the Lib/Left Wing/Progressive/Democrat version. And of course that HAS to be the 100% truth.

LOLOLOLOL

Ann Coulter explains things pretty well in the quote I posted. And it makes a lot of sense.

nonsense. Please name ONE real commie mccarthy "outed". From what I have studied, the only people he was able to label commies where the people who OVERTLY belived in communism. He didnt' find a single person who was a mole.
 
Ridiculous. Of course not. This is what the establishment clause is about.
 
The panty waving and howling of the alarmist just makes everybody else laugh, remember that.
 
You gotta love Ann Coulter. Some of those things were said when she was kidding around. Others when she was trying to rile up Liberals. But some of those statements were quite serious and she had the facts to support her opinion.

She is a terrifc source, thankyouverymuch.
 
Why? Why would everyone who isn't a conservative Christian support Sharia Law?

Conversely, if we're going to tip-toe down that stereotyping road, why wouldn't conservative Christians be the most enthusiastic of Sharia law supporters? ;)
 
The must love and never criticize the religion of Islam political correctness lead me to answer "yes." Even the president intensely condemned criticizing the religion of Islam - something he has never done for the millions of videos ridiculing Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, atheism etc.

Did he criticize the Catholic crucifix in a bottle of urine (supported by tax dollars)?

But at least his praising Muslims and Islam is really working so super well in the Middle East Islamic theocracies and cultures. Maybe women of this country will get lucky and in Obama's re-election he can have our civil rights Bill of Rights replaced with the superior justice found in Egypt, Libya, Syrian, Aghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabian in Sharia law for women, gays and everyone else.

Only a bigoted Islamophob would not endorse establishing Sharia law as federal law to prove how much we respect the religion of Islam.
 
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nonsense. Please name ONE real commie mccarthy "outed". From what I have studied, the only people he was able to label commies where the people who OVERTLY belived in communism. He didnt' find a single person who was a mole.

According to this source EVERY SINGLE PERSON McCarthy outed was guilty.


In May 1957, after the death of Sen. Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover told former State Department official Harris Houston, widely known among intelligence agents as the leading expert on Communist infiltration of the federal government, that it would be another 50 years before the American people appreciated what Joe McCarthy had done for them.

Well those 50 years have passed, and if Stan Evans, an old fellow Cold War warrior and friend, has anything to say about it, the real story of Joseph Raymond McCarthy and what he did for his nation will finally be known.

In his new book "Blacklisted by History, The Untold Story of Senator Joseph McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies," M. Stanton Evans provides a meticulously documented examination of Joe's attempts to alert the American people to the extent of Communist infiltration of the federal government and other American institutions.

Case by case, Evans reveals the unimpeachable evidence that all of the so-called victims of McCarthy's crusade against Communist subversion — every single one of them — really were Communists and agents of a hostile foreign power: the Soviet Union. Evan's long decades of dogged research should at last put at rest the vicious slanders that plagued Joe McCarthy in his Senate career and followed him into the grave.

McCarthy Vindicated at Last
 
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According to this source EVERY SINGLE PERSON McCarthy outed was guilty.


McCarthy Vindicated at Last

now give us a credible evaluation of mccarthy..

You should be aware that being a communist is not a crime in the united states under the constitution and in law. McCarthy didn't give a damn. Please continue to defend the scumbag, it just demonstrates how foolilshly entrenched your warped concepts of freedom and liberty actually are.
 
of course he is.

You can say McCarthy cried wolf, but that is 20/20 hindsight. YOu obviously aren't aware of the horrendous damage that he did to america. To the blatant abuses of the constitution he and Cohn perpetrated on innocent americans. It all started with a general fear of commies and he picked it up and ran with it a delusional attempt to "cleanse" america of its enemies. He got as far as he did, because only a few people had the balls to stand up to him, the most prominent being Murrow.


IN today's environment with the 24/7 news cycle, it would be impossible

He is actually advocating for suspension of the constitution, if he ever gets over his paranoia to consider it actually means.

This is nonsense plain and simple.

The notion that Islamist could gain any kind of foothold in the US is ludicrous.


It isn't ludicrous and McCarthy was absolutely correct. See my post above.
 
now give us a credible evaluation of mccarthy..

You should be aware that being a communist is not a crime in the united states under the constitution and in law. McCarthy didn't give a damn. Please continue to defend the scumbag, it just demonstrates how foolilshly entrenched your warped concepts of freedom and liberty actually are.

You think just because the proof took 50 years to be revealed that it doesn't count. Well, here's some news for you. There is no statute of limitations on the truth.

So, revert to habit and call him names. Call me names. The truth will withstand your petulence.
 
You think just because the proof took 50 years to be revealed that it doesn't count. Well, here's some news for you. There is no statute of limitations on the truth.

So, revert to habit and call him names. Call me names. The truth will withstand your petulence.

this sounds like holocaust denial.

50 years later? lessee, what exactly did the communists do to america? did they blow things up? did they subvert the youth of america, or did they attend some meetings, voice personal opinions about capitalism and right wing intellectual dishonesty.

Petuluance? I am not irritated but I am contemptuous of the notion that mccarthy was a good guy. Called you any names? please review my comments and identify the names that I called you - and when you can't find a name, you might just understand that right wing semantic misinterpretation does not an argument make.
 
It isn't ludicrous and McCarthy was absolutely correct. See my post above.

oh so you advocate suspension of the constitution. Throw free speech into the trash can. Ignore the right of assembly. Invade a citizens privacy.
Oh yes all in the name of routing out a phantom menace.

did you happen to study the constitution? the declaration of indendence? Only a fascist would consider suspension of the those founding documents in order to protect those founding documents.

Please respond when you have learned the meanings of the words irony and hypocracy.
 
Your assumption is that the Christian religion would have considerable influence still under the scenario.

Exactly. There's no amount of evidence in the world that could talk christians out of their faith. Jesus could come down from the heavens himself and tell everyone he made it all up, and that they should stop using the bible to try to control others, and they still wouldn't change a bit.

The christians in our country, who exercise what I consider to be a lot of control over our political system, aren't giving up their faith anytime soon.
 
If you dont think sharia law exists in the united states...then you need to just take a look at all the honor killings in the USA which are on the rise.
For some reason, some people always want to live in a lalaland where everything and everyone is all good....sorry ask any experienced cop if there is such a think as evil and yes evil is promoted by groups and group involvement....like sharia law...like the mafia...like any other group and its codes.
What shakes my boots is the people that can talk about how violent Christianity is and point to the crusades and then can try to shove down my throat that the Muslim religions is all good and pure and that im some kind of bigot for not liking it or wanting to be around it...and they want me to put blinders on to all the VIOLENCE that comes out of it...please stop wasting your time...it falls on my deaf ears
 
If you dont think sharia law exists in the united states...then you need to just take a look at all the honor killings in the USA which are on the rise.

And the fact that they're illegal means there's Sharia Law, or does the meaning of the second word escape you.
 
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