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Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

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Damnit. I meant to vote mashed potatoes.

That said, Sharia that deals with financial allocations of resources in a partnership or marriage that are agreeable to all parties should be legal. We allow Rabbinical law to do this. As long as the law does not contradict existing law, I see no problem.

You can't be against Sharia and be for Rabbinical at the same time when it comes to areas we allow Rabbinical.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Good post Pinkie but I think that the issue that people have with Sharia is not how you name your child or personal contracts but in how it talks about how a woman can't get a divorce or how women can be punished by their men.
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Gotta disagree with you there. The issue I see people having with Sharia is that it's Islamic. It's not a okay to financial Sharia, but no to social Sharia, it's no to Sharia period.

I a little tidbit people don't realize is we actually do allow Sharia when it comes to mortgages. Banks structure Islamic financing so that the bank owns the property and the "loan" for lack of better word holder makes payments equal to the total payments. There's no "interest" per se and therefore is Sharia compliant. I don't see people lining up to ban this, but probably because it's largely off the radar.

I don't see how we can allow Rabbinical law and not Sharia without violating the first amendment
 
All you people who think Muslims pose no threat to this country wake up amd look around....Look at all the other Muslim Nations that have Sharia Law. How many of them are really our friends?....You can count them on one hand and if we did not give them billions of dollars there would be even less. Even in countries like England and France where they have huge Muslim populations have problems......Like I said before Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. I believe right now we have 1 Muslim in Congress...That could change quickly. Please think about it.....It could happen.
 
What do you want to do with em? Spell out your plan to stop this insanity.
Navy Pride said:
All you people who think Muslims pose no threat to this country wake up amd look around....Look at all the other Muslim Nations that have Sharia Law. How many of them are really our friends?....You can count them on one hand and if we did not give them billions of dollars there would be even less. Even in countries like England and France where they have huge Muslim populations have problems......Like I said before Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. I believe right now we have 1 Muslim in Congress...That could change quickly. Please think about it.....It could happen.
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mak2 said:
What do you want to do with em? Spell out your plan to stop this insanity.
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That is a very tough question....They are already killing us here in the name of Allah (Major Hassan Fort Hood). Very rarely do you do you hear a Muslim in authority speak up against the violence whether it be Libya, Fort Hood, or 9/11...............I would say stop all imigration of Muslims and use the CIA to infiltrate their Mosques to see what is actually being preached there to start.... I am not saying all Muslims want to kill us but I believe a lot more do then we know.
 
Navy Pride said:
That is a very tough question....They are already killing us here in the name of Allah (Major Hassan Fort Hood). Very rarely do you do you hear a Muslim in authority speak up against the violence whether it be Libya, Fort Hood, or 9/11...............I would say stop all imigration of Muslims and use the CIA to infiltrate their Mosques to see what is actually being preached there to start.... I am not saying all Muslims want to kill us but I believe a lot more do then we know.
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Infiltrating mosques in the US is a job for the FBI (domestic intelligence), and they're already been doing that.
 
mak2 said:
What do you want to do with em? Spell out your plan to stop this insanity.
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Our founding fathers did some brilliant things when they founded our land as a Christian country. Isn't there something in the Constitution they wrote that we can use to prevent people from practicing their Muslim religion?
 
That's even more insane!

Sharia probably functionally exists in the US between Muslims and has done unnoticed for years.
 
EagleAye said:
Infiltrating mosques in the US is a job for the FBI (domestic intelligence), and they're already been doing that.
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Can you provide a link to prove that? I appreciate it.
 
Manc Skipper said:
That's even more insane!

Sharia probably functionally exists in the US between Muslims and has done unnoticed for years.
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not sure what you are calling insane but i agree with your second statement but thats meaningless to me

many religions/families/people practice their own laws and that's their right to up until it breaks american laws, thats what i was asking, if people thinkit will ever be legal and of course IMO the answer is a logical no
 
Manc Skipper said:
That's even more insane!

Sharia probably functionally exists in the US between Muslims and has done unnoticed for years.
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Banks have been doing Sharia-compliant mortgages for quite some time.

I'd really like to see an argument as to why it is Constitutional to allow Rabbinical law to be practiced but not Sharia in the aspects of secular finance.
 
Objective-J said:
not sure what you are calling insane but i agree with your second statement but thats meaningless to me

many religions/families/people practice their own laws and that's their right to up until it breaks american laws, thats what i was asking, if people thinkit will ever be legal and of course IMO the answer is a logical no
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The Christianist nonsense about Christian countries banning Islam is unconstitutionally insane.

Sharia is used in the USA right now, between Muslim Americans, perfectly legally and entirely unremarkably. It's not only possibility, it's a fixture.
 
Sharia law? No

Christian religious law? Yes

In reality there is not much of a difference.
 
obvious Child said:
Banks have been doing Sharia-compliant mortgages for quite some time.

I'd really like to see an argument as to why it is Constitutional to allow Rabbinical law to be practiced but not Sharia in the aspects of secular finance.
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In the area of secular finance, if both parties agree to it, then I don't see why not. In fact, if both parties can agree to Sharia or Rabbinical arbitration in civil law case, and the eventual ruling does not conflict with secular law, then I don't see a problem. But both parties must agree to it. Both in the situation of criminal law, say in the hypothetical murder case of Georgia vs. John Doe, the state cannot agree to religious law of any kind.
 
Manc Skipper said:
1.)The Christianist nonsense about Christian countries banning Islam is unconstitutionally insane.

2.)Sharia is used in the USA right now, between Muslim Americans, perfectly legally and entirely unremarkably. It's not only possibility, it's a fixture.
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1.) I agree 100%
2.) yes among people it is but what im talking about it will never be a reality where american law follows it, thats my point. people can practice anything they want behind closed doors or even in public but if that violates american law then its an issue.
 
EagleAye said:
In the area of secular finance, if both parties agree to it, then I don't see why not. In fact, if both parties can agree to Sharia or Rabbinical arbitration in civil law case, and the eventual ruling does not conflict with secular law, then I don't see a problem.
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Well, that's how Rabbinical works. Both parties must agree to it and the Rabbinical outcome must not violate any existing secular law. I don't see why, constitutionally, how we can bar Sharia from the same practice. That's a blatant violation of the first amendment otherwise.

the state cannot agree to religious law of any kind.
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The state cannot agree to a religious law where that religious law contradicts the secular law in any regard.
 
obvious Child said:
Well, that's how Rabbinical works. Both parties must agree to it and the Rabbinical outcome must not violate any existing secular law. I don't see why, constitutionally, how we can bar Sharia from the same practice. That's a blatant violation of the first amendment otherwise.

The state cannot agree to a religious law where that religious law contradicts the secular law in any regard.
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There we go. So long as Sharia stays within these constraints, there's no problem. If any Sharia practitioner thinks they're going to get more than that, they're dreaming.
 
EagleAye said:
There we go. So long as Sharia stays within these constraints, there's no problem. If any Sharia practitioner thinks they're going to get more than that, they're dreaming.
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Well, we've kept Rabbinical law essentially in a box for decades. I don't see why we can't do that with Islamic, or any particular religious legal system.

What we cannot do however, is outlaw all Sharia without openly violated the Bill of Rights. And that is what several posters here are advocating for.

I'd love to see one of them try to argue that it is Constitutional to allow Rabbinical but not Sharia in the aspects we allow Rabbinical.
 
obvious Child said:
Well, we've kept Rabbinical law essentially in a box for decades. I don't see why we can't do that with Islamic, or any particular religious legal system.

What we cannot do however, is outlaw all Sharia without openly violated the Bill of Rights. And that is what several posters here are advocating for.

I'd love to see one of them try to argue that it is Constitutional to allow Rabbinical but not Sharia in the aspects we allow Rabbinical.
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Yes, I've seen that and I've seen states pass anti-sharia laws like they did in Kansas. It's not only unconstitutional, it strikes me as charging at windmills. The US in general is staunchly and actively against mixing church and state. That's church of any kind including Christian, and this is a predominantly Christian country. So the notion that Sharia would have a snowball's chance of infusing itself into US law is preposterous. Worrying about it so much strikes as manic. It's much like the guy who has eight dead-bolts on his door and a tin hat to block the mind control waves. It's getting far too stressed out over something that our government is built to prevent from the very beginning.
 
I worry more about Christian Law being forced onto the citizens of the United States much more than a minuscule minority of Muslims forcing Sharia law onto the citizens of the United States.
 
Navy Pride said:
All you people who think Muslims pose no threat to this country wake up amd look around....Look at all the other Muslim Nations that have Sharia Law. How many of them are really our friends?....You can count them on one hand and if we did not give them billions of dollars there would be even less. Even in countries like England and France where they have huge Muslim populations have problems......Like I said before Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. I believe right now we have 1 Muslim in Congress...That could change quickly. Please think about it.....It could happen.
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All you people who think Christians pose no threat to this country wake up amd look around....Look at all the other Christian Nations that have Christian Law. How many of them are really our friends?....You can count them on one hand and if we did not give them billions of dollars there would be even less. Even in countries like England and France where they have huge Christian populations have problems......Like I said before Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world. I believe right now we have 1 Christian in Congress...That could change quickly. Please think about it.....It could happen.
 
Pinkie said:
You seem to lack basic reading comprehension skills, David. Mayhaps read the Op again without allowing the words "Muslim", "Islam" or "Sharia Law" to catch your hair on fire, and see if you might not agree?

Or is American freedom of religion just not an idea you can get behind?
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How about Freedom of Speech? Yes, and let me attack the straw man called "Uneducated if you don't agree with me"

this is what was in the OP:
"Im asking this question because of some of the people I have encountered that want extra laws made banning it and they say they would never vote for ANY Muslim politician because of it.

SO I ask, do you fear Sharia Law and think its a possibility here in the US.

I do not."

He's not just asking if you think its a possibility, because if you do (which I believe almost everything to be POSSIBLE, plausible is another story) then you automatically agree to "fearing Sharia law". Its a trap, take off your blinders.
 
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