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Alternative version of the Dream Act.

Do you agree with the proposal


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I always believed there should be a path to citizenship for illegals, but I think what Democrats was proposing made it too easy. Making it too easy will encourage more illegal immigration. Finishing 2 years of college is not very difficult. I would make some changes to the dream act.

First to get a work permit, then illegals will need to have
1. 3 years in the military, getting a honorable discharge or
2. Finish a college degree with C or better

To get residency then they need to be in stable employment for 3 years without using food stamps, housing support or medicaid.

I believe this will encourage immigrants to become self reliant, and it will create a path to citizenship.
 
Ellis Island opened in 1892 as a federal immigration station, a purpose it served for more than 60 years (it closed in 1954). Millions of newly arrived immigrants passed through the station during that time--in fact, it has been estimated that close to 40 percent of all current U.S. citizens can trace at least one of their ancestors to Ellis Island.
History of Ellis Island

Imagine that. If it weren't for immigration of the early 1900's, 40% of us would not be here today. I certainly know that I wouldn't. My grandmother was an immigrant from Hungary. My wife's grandfather was from Finland. The immigrants at that time only needed to pass a medical and legal screen to see if they were fit for entry into the US.

Fast forward 100 years and now WE are the ones trying to dictate how immigrants can become US citizens. Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.
 
History of Ellis Island

Imagine that. If it weren't for immigration of the early 1900's, 40% of us would not be here today. I certainly know that I wouldn't. My grandmother was an immigrant from Hungary. My wife's grandfather was from Finland. The immigrants at that time only needed to pass a medical and legal screen to see if they were fit for entry into the US.

Fast forward 100 years and now WE are the ones trying to dictate how immigrants can become US citizens. Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.

There is a big difference between the early 1900s and now. There was no welfare back then. If you couldn't support yourself, you would starve.

Open borders do not work with welfare.
 
I always believed there should be a path to citizenship for illegals, ....
There always has been.
Come here legally.

They should not have preference over everybody else that wants to come to this Country.
Especially since what they did is not legal.






Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.
Ridiculous.
One major difference in comparison, is that what was done in the past, was legal.
People were needed to fill the expanding Country.
Not so today.
And any Country should have the right to set the standards as to who they will accept as immigrants at any time it chooses.
 
I always believed there should be a path to citizenship for illegals, but I think what Democrats was proposing made it too easy. Making it too easy will encourage more illegal immigration. Finishing 2 years of college is not very difficult. I would make some changes to the dream act.

First to get a work permit, then illegals will need to have
1. 3 years in the military, getting a honorable discharge or
2. Finish a college degree with C or better

To get residency then they need to be in stable employment for 3 years without using food stamps, housing support or medicaid.

I believe this will encourage immigrants to become self reliant, and it will create a path to citizenship.

Not only no but Hell no. The only thing illegals should get is a boot in the ass back across the border.If they want citizenship bad enough then they can go back across the border and do it the the legal route the way millions of actual immigrants do every year.

Granting Amnesty and so called dream acts just encourage illegal immigration and therefore makes it worse. It amounts to pouring gas on a fire and expecting it to be put out. I don't give a damn or rats ass if their parents brought them over as minors.As adults they are now willing participants and as such and has had time to try to become legal or go the legal route.
 
I can see this both ways. I think that illegals need to do it the same way my ancestors did it. Legally

But then I also see those kids of long time illegals who have been here for all or almost all of their lives and know no other life and consider themselves Americans (USA version). They have jobs, may be in the military, going to college and being productive. Those people should be given some type of fast lane system.

What about their parents? No good idea from this end, but I will say DO NOT assume that there were not these types of situations all through the last 150 years because their were.

case in point = A cousin of my greatgrandfather stowe away on a freighter from Germany to the Canada travelled to the Great Lakes and went to work for his brother who was here legally. He was a farmer for most of his live and eventually became a citizen.
The local government knew all about him but because he was working and not making trouble they did not act.

What people do not realize is that a great many people who came to this country especially from Europe lied on the ships manifests as to what kind of occupation they had. They did so because they knew if they put down something useful like farmer or mason, they had a better chance of getting in.
My greatgrandfather (fathers side) was a master barber but put down mason as his occupation because he knew he would never get in as a barber. He had worked for his wifes cousin as a mason for one year in Germany when money was tight.
 
I cannot agree with this with the possible exception for the children (age 13 or less) who came over with their parents. It would apply if there were someone who can be guardians which have legal status the parents who are illegals do not get to stay because of this.
 
I cannot agree with this with the possible exception for the children (age 13 or less) who came over with their parents. It would apply if there were someone who can be guardians which have legal status the parents who are illegals do not get to stay because of this.

And so this country will separate a child from its parents? Yeah that will work real well. Sounds abit to 1933-45 to me. As I said I don't have a good answer to this part of the issue, but that is not one I am willing to consider or condone.
 
History of Ellis Island

Imagine that. If it weren't for immigration of the early 1900's, 40% of us would not be here today. I certainly know that I wouldn't. My grandmother was an immigrant from Hungary. My wife's grandfather was from Finland. The immigrants at that time only needed to pass a medical and legal screen to see if they were fit for entry into the US.

Fast forward 100 years and now WE are the ones trying to dictate how immigrants can become US citizens. Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.
What was good for the country at one time doesn't necessarily hold forever as a national tradition. Earlier in American history, there was a shortage of workers caused by new jobs being created through scientific development and unobstructed use of natural resources. Today immigration is treason used to take away jobs from those born here, lower wages, and break up the solidarity of the majority by distracting the people with an incompatible and threatening foreign invasion. As most modern Limousine Liberal programs, this come-one-come-all tsunami of immigrants is a cover for their Conservative classmates' economic supremacy.
 
And so this country will separate a child from its parents? Yeah that will work real well. Sounds abit to 1933-45 to me. As I said I don't have a good answer to this part of the issue, but that is not one I am willing to consider or condone.

It is not something that I would agree with either but that is the logical conclusion for the reason of the Dream Act. Children of illegals who have been here and consider themselves American and would have problems with being sent to a Country they do not consider their own getting an exemption of which the parents do not deserve.
 
History of Ellis Island

Imagine that. If it weren't for immigration of the early 1900's, 40% of us would not be here today. I certainly know that I wouldn't. My grandmother was an immigrant from Hungary. My wife's grandfather was from Finland. The immigrants at that time only needed to pass a medical and legal screen to see if they were fit for entry into the US.

Fast forward 100 years and now WE are the ones trying to dictate how immigrants can become US citizens. Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.

This isnt the 1900s and they all came here legally and were papered and registered and they WERE not citizens when they went through ellis island all that did was give them legal entry. Now lets go further....they recieved no welfare, no free healthcare, they got NOTHING from the govt. Those immigrants did not cost us hundreds of billions of dollars.

Naturalization After 1906

When the INS was created in 1906, other naturalization records were created to process naturalizations and keep track of immigrants in the United States. Copies of these documents are only in the possession of the former INS, now United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). A summary of some of these documents are listed below:

Certificate of Arrival, 1906 to the present--After 1906 an immigrant was required to submit a certificate of arrival when he petitioned for citizenship in order to prove the length of his residency. This document gives the place of entry, manner of arrival, and date of arrival. This was kept in the file with the petition.

Certificate of Registry--A certificate created by the INS to document immigrants who arrived prior to July 1, 1924 to the United States where no original arrival record could be located.

Visa and Application--Began with the Immigration Act of 1924. All aliens had to have a Visa to enter the United States. Visas were obtained at US Embassies and Consulates abroad. Visa Files contain birth information, parents, children, previous residence and a photograph beginning in 1929.

Alien Registration--The Alien Registration Act of 1940 required every non-citizen of the United States, age 14 years and up, to register and fill out the Alien Registration form. The Alien Registration Program created a specific form, AR-2, that were used from 1 Aug 1940 to 31 Mar 1944 during World War II. All original alien registration forms were microfilmed and are at the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. The originals were destroyed after filming.

An alien registration form contains the following information:

Name
Name at time of entry to the US
Other names used
Address
Date of Birth
Citizenship/Nationality
Gender
Marital Status
Race
Height & Weight
Hair & Eye Color
Port, date, ship, and class of admission at last arrival in US
Date of first arrival in US
Years lived in US
Intended stay in US
Usual occupation
Present occupation
Present employer, including address
Club, organization, or society memberships
Military service (Country, branch, dates)
Date and number of Declaration of Intention (if filed), and city and State where filed
Date of Petition for Naturalization (if filed), and city and State where filed
Arrest history
Fingerprint
Signature
Date and place of registration[3]

https://www.familysearch.org/learn/...ion_and_Citizenship#Naturalization_After_1906

Dont even try to compare what european LEGAL immigrants went through to get here and what they had to do to stay here and they did it all without recieving anything from the govt.
 
No, I don't support any version of the DREAM Act, or any form of Amnesty. Giving lawbreakers any reprieve, especially in this time of economic difficulty, is unsound policy.

"What if they served in our military?" IMHO, serving in our Military is an Honoured Privilege that should only be granted to the citizens of this Great Country. Foreigners shouldn't serve in our Military because they may serve Foreign Interest. That's a given.

"What if they went to college?" There's not enough seats for our citizenry and applications are getting denied for legal immigrants to schools; why are illegal immigrants filling those seats?
 
Dont even try to compare what european LEGAL immigrants went through to get here and what they had to do to stay here and they did it all without recieving anything from the govt.

Likewise, the immigrants of today aren't getting anything from the government. According to the Dream Act, they don't instantly become citizens. Perhaps there is some misunderstanding of the Dream Act that needs to be cleared up here.

Under the 2009 version of the Senate bill DREAM Act beneficiaries must:
-Have proof of having arrived in the United States before age 16.
-Have proof of residence in the United States for at least five consecutive years since their date of arrival.
-If male, have registered with the Selective Service.
-Be between the ages of 12 and 35 at the time of bill enactment.
-Have graduated from an American high school, obtained a GED, or been admitted to an institution of higher education.
-Be of good moral character. (Read the link for the specifics)

During the first six years, qualifying people would be granted "conditional" status and would be required to (a) graduate from a two-year community college or (b) complete at least two years towards a four-year degree or (c) serve two years in the US military. After this six year period, those who meet at least one of these three conditions would be eligible to apply for permanent resident status. During this six year conditional period, they would not be eligible for federal higher education grants such as Pell grants but they would be able to apply for student loans and work study.
If they have met all of the conditions at the end of the 6-year conditional period, they would be granted permanent residency, which would eventually allow them to become U.S. citizens. It is not known how many of those eligible would go on to complete the further requirements.

Becoming a citizen under this act is more than just going to college for 2 years. There's a 6 year conditional period. After reading through the list of items regarding "good moral character", you pretty much have to have been a good angel 5 years prior to starting the process to become a citizen. We're not just handing out citizenship on a silver plate.
 
Likewise, the immigrants of today aren't getting anything from the government. According to the Dream Act, they don't instantly become citizens. Perhaps there is some misunderstanding of the Dream Act that needs to be cleared up here.



Becoming a citizen under this act is more than just going to college for 2 years. There's a 6 year conditional period. After reading through the list of items regarding "good moral character", you pretty much have to have been a good angel 5 years prior to starting the process to become a citizen. We're not just handing out citizenship on a silver plate.


You couldnt be more wrong...they get free health care at any emergency room all their babies are delivered free...they get welfare food stamps and some get social security and some get free tuition in college, rent assistance, utility assistance the list is endless and varies by state...except for healthcare at emergency room is federal law....its NOT EVEN CLOSE...european immigrants that came through ellis island...either worked or starved...they paid the doctor or they didnt go...midwives delivered babies...
 
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