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If you felt the person was qulified would you vote for Muslim president?

If you felt the person was qualified would you vote for a Muslim president?

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I'm a firm believer in separation of church and state. I do not care what religion one follows as long as they pass my litmus test for all politicians.

In no particular order:

Fight for Civil Liberties
Fiscal Responsibility
Firmly Follow the Constitution
 
Camlon said:
Haha, nice try. Again, as stated a million times before, you do not define what is facts.


You wrote "it often happens", so who is lying now?

Also, it is quite telling when you are unable to give a single example of you posting a conservative post. That should have been easy if you are an independent.



Actually, no it isn't and my English is still better than your broken English. It is really funny when people who are absolutely terrible in English try to use the English argument. I mean seriously, what kind of English is this I set no difference standard for anybody.

However, what you said was pretty clear. You said they are bigots if they reject a candidate based solely on their religion. You said "solely based on religion though they would be bigots" not "they would be bigots if religion is a factor at all".


???
And you accused me of bad English. :lol:


Of course, when you insult people it is not insulting at all. You are just educating them. :lamo


If it was only my opinion, then why have you stopped declaring yourself the winner? You stopped because you know it is true. Real winners do not need to declare themselves as winners, only losers need to do that.


Again, you do not define the facts, and you never will. Repeating it will not make it more true. You can claim I look silly, but you were the one who failed to find a single person who called you a conservative, and then you failed to find a conservative post coming from you. Then despite your absolutely terrible English, you tried to discredit me by asking if English was my first language which it isn't.

It is time for you to take a look in the mirror.
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another long post, more lies and its still 100% fact your statement was bigoted :shrug:

let me know when that fact changes LMAO :shrug:
 
Hell NO!!!
 
Muslim's feel that paying or receiving interest is a grave sin. What kind of President would that make?
 
AreteCourage said:
I'm a firm believer in separation of church and state. I do not care what religion one follows as long as they pass my litmus test for all politicians.

In no particular order:

Fight for Civil Liberties
Fiscal Responsibility
Firmly Follow the Constitution
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yep this is how every american should be

of course each of our "litmus" test may very but it shouldn't be based solely on religion
 
Objective-J said:
LOL could you provide some insight and reasoning please
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Until political Islam is banned in America, like it is regulated in Turkey, for example, we need at least the protection from creeping Jihad of keeping the numbers of Muslims in America as low as possible and to prevent having the encouraging symbol of a Muslim potus in the WH.
 
marsden said:
Until political Islam is banned in America, like it is regulated in Turkey, for example, we need at least the protection from creeping Jihad of keeping the numbers of Muslims in America as low as possible and to prevent having the encouraging symbol of a Muslim potus in the WH.
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what does that have to do with voting for a qualified muslim?
also the constitution already protects us from "political islam"
and what do you mean you want the government to keep the number of muslims low as possible in america
and a QUALIFIED muslim potus doesnt do anything to empower the extremist you are talking about, in fact it hurts them
 
Objective-J said:
what does that have to do with voting for a qualified muslim?
also the constitution already protects us from "political islam"
and what do you mean you want the government to keep the number of muslims low as possible in america
and a QUALIFIED muslim potus doesnt do anything to empower the extremist you are talking about, in fact it hurts them
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We all have disreputable associates or friends or relatives. This is also true for nice Muslims. If there are more Muslims in America it stands to reason there would be more disreputable Muslims.

Who might some of these disreputable Muslims be? Some of them would be fundamentalists, Islamists.

Islamists depend on being more or less hidden from scrutiny.

The more nice muslims there are, the more the Islamists can hide amongst them.

Having a Muslim POtUS would send a clear message to muslims everywhere and of every stripe, "WELCOME!"

Muslim populations in america would increase. Islamist activities, covert and in the open, would increase.

All the while we would naively try to maintain an unreasonable and inappropriate hospitality toward any Muslim doing virtually any thing short of outright terrorism because we have no way of easily discerning the good guys from the bad guys.

Look at the supposed
 
marsden said:
We all have disreputable associates or friends or relatives. This is also true for nice Muslims. If there are more Muslims in America it stands to reason there would be more disreputable Muslims.

Who might some of these disreputable Muslims be? Some of them would be fundamentalists, Islamists.

Islamists depend on being more or less hidden from scrutiny.

The more nice muslims there are, the more the Islamists can hide amongst them.

Having a Muslim POtUS would send a clear message to muslims everywhere and of every stripe, "WELCOME!"

Muslim populations in america would increase. Islamist activities, covert and in the open, would increase.

All the while we would naively try to maintain an unreasonable and inappropriate hospitality toward any Muslim doing virtually any thing short of outright terrorism because we have no way of easily discerning the good guys from the bad guys.

Look at the supposed
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The opposite would happen the real Muslims would help weed out the extremists. There is far more right wing terrorism in America therefore you should not vote for a right wing president either because how are you supposed to tell the terrorists form the non-terrorists.
 
marsden said:
We all have disreputable associates or friends or relatives. This is also true for nice Muslims. If there are more Muslims in America it stands to reason there would be more disreputable Muslims.

Who might some of these disreputable Muslims be? Some of them would be fundamentalists, Islamists.

Islamists depend on being more or less hidden from scrutiny.

The more nice muslims there are, the more the Islamists can hide amongst them.

Having a Muslim POtUS would send a clear message to muslims everywhere and of every stripe, "WELCOME!"

Muslim populations in america would increase. Islamist activities, covert and in the open, would increase.

All the while we would naively try to maintain an unreasonable and inappropriate hospitality toward any Muslim doing virtually any thing short of outright terrorism because we have no way of easily discerning the good guys from the bad guys.

Look at the supposed
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what you are talking about is true for all people not just muslims LOL all good and bad people

and how would having a muslim president send a "clear" message to muslims of "every strip" they are welcome? thats dumb

if the president is QUALIFIED and does his job there is no message that law breakers are welcome and then what actually happens is that SOME, certainly not all, that are feed or believe the message that is America is so evil wouldnt believe so anymore because they woudl see a normal muslim, non-extremist lives a free life in america like everyone else. :shrug:

and if what you are saying is true how come that doesnt happen with every president then?

im talking reality

anyway are you advocating not letting any more muslims in to the nation?
 
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Supposedly upstanding organization, CAIR, which is suspected of being merely a front for Islamism in America.

Or, look at the organizations being uncovered by the govt. as front organizations for terror groups or funding arms of terror groups.

Then, look at how Muslim population % has historically signalled different activities and tactics by Muslims wihin a non-Islamic majority society.
 
marsden said:
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Supposedly upstanding organization, CAIR, which is suspected of being merely a front for Islamism in America.

Or, look at the organizations being uncovered by the govt. as front organizations for terror groups or funding arms of terror groups.

Then, look at how Muslim population % has historically signalled different activities and tactics by Muslims wihin a non-Islamic majority society.
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again none of that means anything to me, the Klan still exists, extremest black panthers (all 3 of them), skin heads, extreme feminist, extreme christians etc

does that mean we shouldnt vote for white candiadtes, christians, women and blacks too?

no it doesnt because that would be dumb
 
0bserver92 said:
The opposite would happen the real Muslims would help weed out the extremists. There is far more right wing terrorism in America therefore you should not vote for a right wing president either because how are you supposed to tell the terrorists form the non-terrorists.
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Look at how twisted the Liberals and Progressives thinking is. They see Conservativism as the enemy and they view adherents of a system of laws and government cloaked as a religion, which appx 20% of it's followers interpret as commanding them to kill us and enslave us and take over our governments and dominate our religions as the friend who should be encouraged and protected over all else.

You guys are truly weird.
 
marsden said:
Look at how twisted the Liberals and Progressives thinking is. They see Conservativism as the enemy and they view adherents of a system of laws and government cloaked as a religion, which appx 20% of it's followers interpret as commanding them to kill us and enslave us and take over our governments and dominate our religions as the friend who should be encouraged and protected over all else.

You guys are truly weird.
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Im not Observer92 but IMO I think he was being sarcastic and pointing out the irrational audacity of your post, I dont think he honestly believes that all conservatives are terrorists LOL

but again you'll have to ask him im just guessing
 
marsden said:
Look at how twisted the Liberals and Progressives thinking is. They see Conservativism as the enemy and they view adherents of a system of laws and government cloaked as a religion, which appx 20% of it's followers interpret as commanding them to kill us and enslave us and take over our governments and dominate our religions as the friend who should be encouraged and protected over all else.

You guys are truly weird.
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I'm juts showing your hypocrisy. I would also to prove that 20% want to kill Americans I am yet to hear of Muslims who want to kill and enslave Americans beside Al-Qaeda.
 
Objective-J said:
again none of that means anything to me, the Klan still exists, extremest black panthers (all 3 of them), skin heads, extreme feminist, extreme christians etc

does that mean we shouldnt vote for white candiadtes, christians, women and blacks too?

no it doesnt because that would be dumb
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Do you know shix from Shinola?

I'm not your sterreotypical, monolithic, knuckle dragging, bigoted right winger.

I have spent a great many hours reading about Islam and Islamism and the threat it posed to other societies which underestimated their capabilities or misread, for a variety of reasons, their (Islamist leaders') intentions.

Until we have a way of preventing our voters from misguidedly voting for Shariah law to be implemented in this country, we need to be ever vigilant of the potential and actual gains being made here to increase the power and influence of Islamists.

That includes the hugely important symbolism of voting for a muslim president.

I'll mention, once again, the story of the tender hearted woman who brought a snake into the warm cabin, saving it from freezing, whereupon the snake fatally bit her. She cried, how could you do this to me, the one who saved your life? The reptile replied with a grin, you knew darned well I was a snake before you brought me in.
 
0bserver92 said:
I'm juts showing your hypocrisy. I would also to prove that 20% want to kill Americans I am yet to hear of Muslims who want to kill and enslave Americans beside Al-Qaeda.
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Al Qaeda is just one of the Islamist groups. These Islamists can operate in within any number of Islamist groups. Hezbollah, Hamas, Abu Saif and hundreds of others. Or, they needn't belong to any group at all.

What motivates them is their interpretation of the Koran. Their interpretation depends on the understanding of and the belief in the principle of abrogation. This means that the lessons told last in the Koran are the ones to follow. And the last lessons are the hateful and violent commands and examples from Muhammad, not the peaceful examples and messages mentioned earlier in the Koran.

So, all Islamists believe that Islam should spread over the entire globe and dominate all other religions and that Muslims should do whatever they can to help it spread. This is Jihad. And peaceful Jihad represents the spiritual struggle necessary to force oneself to become more effective in helping spread Islam. Whether that means posting in a chatroom or flying planes into skyscrapers.

Edit: To see where I got the 20% figure, read from this ste which gives various polling results.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/05/how-many-islamists
 
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marsden said:
Do you know shix from Shinola?

I'm not your sterreotypical, monolithic, knuckle dragging, bigoted right winger.

I have spent a great many hours reading about Islam and Islamism and the threat it posed to other societies which underestimated their capabilities or misread, for a variety of reasons, their (Islamist leaders') intentions.

Until we have a way of preventing our voters from misguidedly voting for Shariah law to be implemented in this country, we need to be ever vigilant of the potential and actual gains being made here to increase the power and influence of Islamists.

That includes the hugely important symbolism of voting for a muslim president.

I'll mention, once again, the story of the tender hearted woman who brought a snake into the warm cabin, saving it from freezing, whereupon the snake fatally bit her. She cried, how could you do this to me, the one who saved your life? The reptile replied with a grin, you knew darned well I was a snake before you brought me in.
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you done ranting?
the constitution already does that :shrug:

and I asked you questions you dodged, how come this doesnt happen with all presidents

BUT now I dont need your answer because you just basically called all muslims snakes, that tells me all i need to know about your though process
 
Objective-J said:
you done ranting?
the constitution already does that :shrug:

and I asked you questions you dodged, how come this doesnt happen with all presidents

BUT now I dont need your answer because you just basically called all muslims snakes, that tells me all i need to know about your though process
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Funny, you didn't twist your knickers when I compared all religions to fish and Islam to the Puffer Fish used to create the potentially lethal Japanese delicacy, fugu.

Nor did I hear any tripe from you when the essay i quoted compared Islamist groups (and individuals, for that matter) to a lethal, communicable disease.

[ Combat with evildoers is not Clausewitzian war. You do not make treaties with evildoers or try to adjust your conduct to make them like you. You do not try to see the world from the evildoers point of view. You do not try to appease them, or persuade them, or reason with them. You try, on the contrary, to outwit
them, to vanquish them, to kill them. You behave with them in the same manner that you would deal with a fatal epidemic you try to wipe it out.
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from, "Al Qaeda's Fantasy Ideology" by Lee Harris

I use comparisons to animals and people and things all the time. You can't honestly use that to gauge how I feel about Muslims.

On that subject I am on record as supporting full and equal rights for all Muslims in America except for being able to become POTUS without first erecting safeguards to prevent Political Islam from making inroads in our country and government which could weaken our nation and current form of govt.
 
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I voted, "No", because I believe that Muslim values and American values are incompatible. As a Conservative, I believe in a Moral Government, and I believe Culture is the identity of a Nation, and that the President should reflect that Culture, and the idea's of that Nation. Muslim's have their religious beliefs, and they are entitled to them; however, America is the place where Slavery was abolished, where Women were given the right to Vote and right to Educate and Work, where religious liberty is our first principle. These idea's are incompatible to the Islamic Faith and Culture and to say a potential President could ignore his religious faith is rather disingenuous.
 
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