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Legalisation of Marijuana

Should marijuana be legalised?


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I'm not promoting it, nor do I think we should promote it. I'm just criticizing this idea that if marijuana were to be legal the entire United States would be high all the time.

Not everyone does drugs, so not everyone could be high in the united states. But I see your point.
 
do not ignore the 2009 statement.

what?! this one

"According to a 2009 survey of drug use in Amsterdam carried out by the Jellinek institute for addiction care among 266 coffee shop visitors, 94 percent of respondents admitted having used cannabis during the previous month.

well no **** sherlock. they surveyed coffee house visitors, they were going to the coffee shop to get weed. They are not a reflection of the entire population. I could do a survey of all the drinking establishments here in the US and find that 94% of people who visit a bar or a pub admitted to having a drink in the past month.
 
what?! this one



well no **** sherlock. they surveyed coffee house visitors, they were going to the coffee shop to get weed. They are not a reflection of the entire population. I could do a survey of all the drinking establishments here in the US and find that 94% of people who visit a bar or a pub admitted to having a drink in the past month.

Please learn to control yourself when debating. If it is too much for you to exchange thoughts with others then debating is not your thing. Also you did not bring out the full statement. let me help:
(2009 - cannabis use in The Netherlands) "According to a 2009 survey of drug use in Amsterdam carried out by the Jellinek institute for addiction care among 266 coffee shop visitors, 94 percent of respondents admitted having used cannabis during the previous month. Almost 75 percent of them reported daily cannabis use, averaging just fewer than four joints per day."

and that was for another members post. not our argument. you are not good at keeping on track my friend.
 
(2009 - cannabis use in The Netherlands) "According to a 2009 survey of drug use in Amsterdam carried out by the Jellinek institute for addiction care among 266 coffee shop visitors, 94 percent of respondents admitted having used cannabis during the previous month. Almost 75 percent of them reported daily cannabis use, averaging just fewer than four joints per day."

and that was for another members post. not our argument. you are not good at keeping on track my friend.

You posted that after I said that the Netherlands had a lower rate of cannabis use than the United States. But, like the person previously, this study was done among people who visit coffee shops. People who visit coffee shops in the Netherlands are obviously going to show a high rate of marijuana use.

This proves nothing.
 
You posted that after I said that the Netherlands had a lower rate of cannabis use than the United States. But, like the person previously, this study was done among people who visit coffee shops. People who visit coffee shops in the Netherlands are obviously going to show a high rate of marijuana use.

This proves nothing.

yes... a coffee shop that sells weed. doesn't matter where it's sold. that is not our argument. it's legal in the Netherlands and is sold anywhere. where would you like your study to be valid? how about the police stations in the netherlands.. that seems like a good place to get accurate results. a coffee house is best because it targets the majority of the substance users because that's the most common place where it is sold.

again with being in depth. take everything into account vs being mad like this other member on this page. Netherlands population vs USA population.
 
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Please learn to control yourself when debating. If it is too much for you to exchange thoughts with others then debating is not your thing. Also you did not bring out the full statement. let me help:
(2009 - cannabis use in The Netherlands) "According to a 2009 survey of drug use in Amsterdam carried out by the Jellinek institute for addiction care among 266 coffee shop visitors, 94 percent of respondents admitted having used cannabis during the previous month. Almost 75 percent of them reported daily cannabis use, averaging just fewer than four joints per day."

and that was for another members post. not our argument. you are not good at keeping on track my friend.

I am perfectly controlled, ty :) What does the rest of the statement change? coffee house patrons use weed.. omg! newsflash.

and regardless of who you were replying to this is an open forum and I am not going to let bs like that slide when I see it.

edit: I think i see a part of the problem.. reading another post you claimed "it is sold anywhere". No it is not sold anywhere, it is sold only in coffee shops
 
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yes... a coffee shop that sells weed. doesn't matter where it's sold. that is not our argument. it's legal in the Netherlands and is sold anywhere. where would you like your study to be valid? how about the police stations in the netherlands.. that seems like a good place to get accurate results. a coffee house is best because it targets the majority of the substance users because that's the most common place where it is sold.

Well, my argument was that marijuana use was lower in the Netherlands than in the United States, and your response was an attempt to refute my argument, was it not?
 
I am perfectly controlled, ty :) What does the rest of the statement change? coffee house patrons use weed.. omg! newsflash.

and regardless of who you were replying to this is an open forum and I am not going to let bs like that slide when I see it.

how is this bs? where would you like the study done to be accurate? doing a study for a country where a substance is illegal vs a country where it is legal is hard to get. apparently you cant take the survey where they commonly sell it.

"newsflash" for me
 
Well, my argument was that marijuana use was lower in the Netherlands than in the United States, and your response was an attempt to refute my argument, was it not?

was just asimple study. can slap words with me or find another study and prove me wrong that Netherlands has higher usage then the united states.
 
I am perfectly controlled, ty :) What does the rest of the statement change? coffee house patrons use weed.. omg! newsflash.

and regardless of who you were replying to this is an open forum and I am not going to let bs like that slide when I see it.

edit: I think i see a part of the problem.. reading another post you claimed "it is sold anywhere". No it is not sold anywhere, it is sold only in coffee shops

SO, if it is only sold in coffee shops, then where else should this survey be taken? lol..
 
This has been my question for the past 4-5 replies. what is YOUR PLAN to CARRY OUT "minimizing and delaying usage". this has been what I am looking for from our earlier argument, If you can find a sensible answer then I will agree with you.

(ie. do you want to make people have to get a license to buy it? to get this license they would have to take a class on understanding marijuana? I just want to know your process of carrying out this plan)

legalization, controlling every step of the supply chain from manufacture to distribution, drastically reducing the size and scope of the black market, education (without propaganda), Trying to keep it out of the hands of minors as much as possible (substantially stiffen the penalty for distribution to minors is perfectly fine with me as well), offer treatment to those that need/want it. Educate on the potential harms (without the propaganda), deglamourize usage (personaly I have no problems with zero advertisement and bland generic packaging).

that is the essential meat of it, get rid of all the artificially manufactured problems associated with prohibition. and isolate and focus on the problems associated with the drugs themselves.
 
That a very invalid point. almost every human being drinks milk unless they are lactose intolerant.

That is like me saying 100% of people who smoke weed breath air. air is a gateway drug, shouldn't it be illegal?

It's invalid.

Yes, it was invalid and ridiculous . . . just like keeping pot illegal and claiming it is a gateway drug . . . unless of course alcohol is also included in the definition of "gateway drug". Alcohol is 10-times worse than pot . . . but of course, that is just my humble opinion. I'm an idiot.
 
legalization, controlling every step of the supply chain from manufacture to distribution, drastically reducing the size and scope of the black market, education (without propaganda), Trying to keep it out of the hands of minors as much as possible (substantially stiffen the penalty for distribution to minors is perfectly fine with me as well), offer treatment to those that need/want it. Educate on the potential harms (without the propaganda), deglamourize usage (personaly I have no problems with zero advertisement and bland generic packaging).

that is the essential meat of it, get rid of all the artificially manufactured problems associated with prohibition. and isolate and focus on the problems associated with the drugs themselves.

If all this were to be done, I would be for it then. The education on its harms and negative impact is vital for the young mind (like you said earlier) and if focused could be manageable with what you propose in my eyes.
 
Yes, it was invalid and ridiculous . . . just like keeping pot illegal and claiming it is a gateway drug . . . unless of course alcohol is also included in the definition of "gateway drug". Alcohol is 10-times worse than pot . . . but of course, that is just my humble opinion. I'm an idiot.

Well I mean, pot isssss a drug....lol
 
SO, if it is only sold in coffee shops, then where else should this survey be taken? lol..

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And here you are trying to tell me that I am not good at keeping track. You are quite amusing :)

If you want to know usage rates for the population then you need to survey the entire population.
 
I'm not saying legalizing Marijuana would be super terrible. Both choices have their pros and cons. I lean more towards it being illegal because i'd rather deal with the issues of keeping it illegal vs. legalizing it and observing our nation become less educated by the month because they are not motivated to get out and get things done. I'd rather invest more money (money we don't have, I know) into agencies like the DEA and taking down cartels. Yes, cartel will be ALWAYS be around, however, if you end them before they grow into a serious illegal organization then it becomes harder to build it back up again when there's a bigger guard on drug trafficking.

I would also increase the number of prisons in America which would also increase a small number of jobs for those who don't make stupid choices. It's like most elders tell me, "If you're stupid enough to make wrong choices then you can live with the consequences."

If your fired up for legalizing Marijuana then you do not have your priorities straight.

so you have no problem with 20 or 30K mexicans getting killed because of marijuana. You have no problem with the invasive corruption that its illegality ENDORES. YOu have no problem with 30% of the prison population of the US being incarcerate for marijuana "crimes'. You have no problem with providing the the ghettos (black, brown, white, yellow) an illegal means of making money and corrupting each new generation of poverty stricken americans.

Its hypocracy in its purest form, because it completely ignores human nature. Since the dawn of civilization, substances that alter reality, expand the imagination, ease the pain, stimulate creativity have been used. You say abused, I say exploited.
 
Legalize it, tax it. Let the government grow and thus deprive the criminal growers of their money. The tax will help reduce the deficit.
 
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