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Would you support a male contraceptive?

Would you support male contraceptives?

  • Yes, I would support male contraceptives?

    Votes: 26 89.7%
  • No, I wouldn't support male contraceptives?

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • I don't know.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    29
Like I said, feminism DID NOT INVENT THAT SYSTEM. That system was invented by men before feminism even existed.

You really shouldn't make baseless statements about things you obviously don't understand. For an address of your equally baseless and insulting pregnancy comment, see my post above.

After reading your earlier statement, I am now withdrawing those comments. I missed a level of education at that time. I would still like to say though that even after accepting that pregnancies are men's fault, men need to be liberated from it too, not only women. And telling men to just say an abstinent "no" has and will never work. Don't we need science here? And don't we need to accept that men's fertility control can't be separated from the level of how vested men are in social life?
 
I heard stuff such as a woman who goes into menopause without children would regret her life and a man who says no to a woman is gay and not worthy to step into society. How do women fight off such biasses? (I know men don't.)

Just more social BS. Childfree women actually have lower stress and report equal or higher life satisfaction, even in their twilight years. Of course, they are women who didn't have children because they didn't want them. Women who couldn't have children for some reason won't be as satisfied.

How do women fight it off? Many don't. Of those who do, I think we all come to it in our own way. In my case, I just had a eureka moment when I was preteen, where I finally realized that having kids is optional. Everyone had always presented it to me as some sort of inevitable thing I HAD to do. When I realized it wasn't, that was it. I'm pretty stubborn, so there was really no changing my mind after that.

Some women just don't desire to and wake up one day at 50, realize they don't have kids, and don't care.

Some women go back and forth for a long time. Maybe they like kids, but just aren't sure if they want any.

Some women sacrifice having kids for other goals, like their careers.

Some women, like me, just knew from the get-go that it wasn't for them.
 
Im confused as to how blocking conception equates to independence. And actually, legalizing prostitution seems a better solution to reducing male dependence on females.

Yes, but nobody worked out ever how to make that acceptable for women.
 
Oh no no no. I don't want to sound misogynist. I don't blame women. This is not a blame game but a game of statistics. My proposal is simply that it is technology that gives women control over their lives. Plus, that we men need more control too, at least something nearly as good as what women have today. What made me think about this issue was that the highest birth rate in America is exactly in those communities where neither the man nor the woman can support a child. Consequently, what they are missing is the male hormonal control.

Women don't conspire against us men. They have technological control over themselves, not over us men. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a technological control over men too?

By "technological control," are you talking about birth control?
 
Yes, absolutely I would support a male contraceptive. I don't know why anyone wouldn't. I think that the most promising one in the works is RISUG, which is in development in India, which a few others have already mentioned. I really hope that it gets the attention (and funding) it deserves. It would really be the most important development in contraception since the female birth control pill. One injection into the nuts, and the man is sterile for 10 years or until he decides to have another injection to easily reverse the procedure.

I envision a world in the near future where most boys get a RISUG injection upon entering high school, just as they get their immunizations today. That would do so much to cut down on teen pregnancy rates and, in the long term, reduce poverty. They wouldn't need to worry about it again until well after high school and college, at which point they might want to get another injection or they might decide they were ready to have kids. That would be hugely beneficial to the world.
 
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This may not be the urge, although that (if exists) would certainly benefit from chemical control. But would you be able to beat up your guilt about yourself after saying no to her?

You don't make any sense. You sound as if you are VERY confused about your sexual feelings. What do you mean by "beat yourself up" about saying no? Saying no is a CHOICE. You can always use a condom and ask her to use birth control as well.

Are you saying that you want something like chemical castration to cut off the urges of men to have sex? I'm pretty sure that MOST men would rather use some form of protection.
 
Its acceptable for thousands of them already. Its legal in NV, and much of the world.

Somehow about 50 % of women have such a negative opinion about it, that if they hear you participate in it, then they don't talk to you after that. But yes, there must be a lot of reasons why that is the oldest profession.
 
You don't make any sense. You sound as if you are VERY confused about your sexual feelings. What do you mean by "beat yourself up" about saying no? Saying no is a CHOICE. You can always use a condom and ask her to use birth control as well.

Actually that "no" is only a choice "on paper". I did it only once, a couple of years ago, when the adults told me to tell her that. But after that she didn't play with me any more, and I regretted it at lot. So, subconscieously, a "no" helps nobody, it only undermines your ability to manage your feelings. Only a relationship can say no on a man's behalf, if the man is inside that relationship.

Are you saying that you want something like chemical castration to cut off the urges of men to have sex? I'm pretty sure that MOST men would rather use some form of protection.

No, any form of castration has deadly psychological consequences unless the male is born gay. We men need a fine-tuned gradual control of this, like the one women have now. The Indian method is truely revolutionary, but even that stops short of this need.
 
Since the 20th century introduction of female contraceptives, women are for the 1st time capable of commanding their own lives. (Even getting rid of men for their happiness, in extreme cases, such as feminism.) We men could achieve the same independence from women (and ourselves) if we had a similar contraceptive. I propose an applied research that results in such individual control over fertility, libido, and social imperatives, as the one that women gain out of the existing female products. Would you support such a development?
What does that even mean? Seriously, it's frustrating that someone would even say something like that.

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You want independence from a woman...while having sex with that woman? Ummm, what? That doesn't follow. Sex is a partnership so if you want to be independent from her then don't have sex her.

2. What does 'independence from ourselves' mean? How do you ever escape being around yourself? Drugs? What are you talking about? Shouldn't you always be able to trust and rely on yourself? Isn't relying on yourself the very essence of independence? Is there more than one of you in your body, like conjoined souls or something?

Yeah, male contraception is all well and good, abstinence, vasectomy, condoms, whatever floats your boat. I don't see how any of that makes you independent from yourself, a sex-partner or anyone else, though.
 
I would pretty much leave that decision up to men. If they had hormonal effects, similar to the way BC has on women, I would definitely be cautious (if I were a man). Interferring too much with male hormone production and release could have some pretty serious consequences imo. I guess it depends on the mode of action.

If that effect is as positive and calming as in women, it might be not that bad. Sometimes men need to be saved from themselves, I speculate. Why do you say that it is negative?
 
What does that even mean? Seriously, it's frustrating that someone would even say something like that.

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You want independence from a woman...while having sex with that woman? Ummm, what? That doesn't follow. Sex is a partnership so if you want to be independent from her then don't have sex her.

2. What does 'independence from ourselves' mean? How do you ever escape being around yourself? Drugs? What are you talking about? Shouldn't you always be able to trust and rely on yourself? Isn't relying on yourself the very essence of independence? Is there more than one of you in your body, like conjoined souls or something?

Yeah, male contraception is all well and good, abstinence, vasectomy, condoms, whatever floats your boat. I don't see how any of that makes you independent from yourself, a sex-partner or anyone else, though.

Women have a good control over their biology and feelings. We men are too dependent on them. They use technology to achieve their favorable state. I think we men should do the same.
 
It's called a condom... or pulling out. Besides, one more pill in my regimen and I'll be using an oil filter for a liver.
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We men are too dependent on them.
Wtf?

Even when I was married I wasn't dependent on any woman's feelings. I've been single and abstinent for 5 years now and I'm not in any way dependent on any woman's feelings. I don't even have a female boss or a female in my chain of command.

You haven't clarified what you're talking about at all. I still have no idea what anything you've said means.

Answer my questions:
How can you be independent from a woman while literally inside her body?
How can you ever be independent from yourself? How is that possible? How can you ever not be around yourself?
 
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I think that it is primarily birth control, but it appears that there is some apparent mind control with it too, which is in women's own benefit.

LOL! What in the hell are you talking about? What mind control? Are you saying that women have more will power than men? I don't think that is true at all. That is all dependent upon the PERSON. It has absolutely nothing to do with gender.
 
...Too bad, feminism has already created an entire industry that runs on the current legal status of men. That will not go away. ... Unless we get a technological help.

Women are far less vested in social situations than men. I thought this was because of feminism+technology, but maybe it is not. The key for the improvement is then to free men from having to vest themselves in the social world, at least to the level where it is not more than women...

...But don't you think that if feminism was actually interested in resolving problems with pregnancy and child raring, then they would actually address that, instead of inventing legal schemes for money, out of the individual pockets of outsiders? Feminism is a formidable power because of technology...But we men need something that lets us match that, right? And that would be a similar technological control.

To clarify: every woman goes and goes until she gets her planned pregnancy. (Including the "unplanned" ones.) Men have no choice here. My technological proposal will allow men to choose.

Oh no no no. I don't want to sound misogynist. I don't blame women. This is not a blame game but a game of statistics. My proposal is simply that it is technology that gives women control over their lives. Plus, that we men need more control too, at least something nearly as good as what women have today. What made me think about this issue was that the highest birth rate in America is exactly in those communities where neither the man nor the woman can support a child. Consequently, what they are missing is the male hormonal control.

Women don't conspire against us men. They have technological control over themselves, not over us men. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a technological control over men too?

Women have a good control over their biology and feelings. We men are too dependent on them. They use technology to achieve their favorable state. I think we men should do the same.

LOL - you sound insane. :) You honestly sound like you're paranoid or thinking that women have created this massive undoing controlling dominating cult over males an we only use them to get knocked up - and rich. :rofl: I laughed at the last line - women have good control over their biology and feelings . . . but men are too dependent on them. LOL What the hell dude?

But I think what you're trying to say is that you want a hormonal form of birth control for men. . . see - so simple. "I support hormonal birth control for men." is all you had to say.
 
What does that even mean? Seriously, it's frustrating that someone would even say something like that.

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You want independence from a woman...while having sex with that woman? Ummm, what? That doesn't follow. Sex is a partnership so if you want to be independent from her then don't have sex her.

2. What does 'independence from ourselves' mean? How do you ever escape being around yourself? Drugs? What are you talking about? Shouldn't you always be able to trust and rely on yourself? Isn't relying on yourself the very essence of independence? Is there more than one of you in your body, like conjoined souls or something?

Yeah, male contraception is all well and good, abstinence, vasectomy, condoms, whatever floats your boat. I don't see how any of that makes you independent from yourself, a sex-partner or anyone else, though.

I think he's referring to sexual "feelings." I think he is talking about being aroused by women even when he consciously doesn't want to be aroused by them, and because he does have these feelings he feels he is "dependent" so to speak. He is pretty young, so I think he is still trying to figure some things out.
 
Like it some big mystery how 7 plus billion exist on the planet today...and not to mention the billions who came before us all. Sex is here to stay. I know that it grosses some out. I know some believe that it's only a holy event. And some believe that it's for reproduction only.

I know where they sell "remove head from ass" tools.

For vast majority of humanity...sex FEELS GOOD and DO IT FOR PLEASURE ONLY. Yep, sex does have dual functions. And yes the unintended act of sex can cause unintended conceptions. But the people who believe that humanity will conform to the more holy point of view about sexual behaviors...are kidding themselves and are in severe denial about reality.
 
And they are not

If the man does not want the possibility of becoming a parent and have zero risk of that occuring he should not have sex

If he decides to have sex, he accepts the possibility that he will become a father in 9 or so months time. Unless of course if he was raped

HAHAHA How can men be raped?
 
LOL - you sound insane. :) You honestly sound like you're paranoid or thinking that women have created this massive undoing controlling dominating cult over males an we only use them to get knocked up - and rich. :rofl: I laughed at the last line - women have good control over their biology and feelings . . . but men are too dependent on them. LOL What the hell dude?

But I think what you're trying to say is that you want a hormonal form of birth control for men. . . see - so simple. "I support hormonal birth control for men." is all you had to say.
OMG this guy....wtf is wrong with some people....

Yeah I'm not ever going to take hormonal BC. I'll get snipped etc but I'm not popping a pill.
 
I think he's referring to sexual "feelings." I think he is talking about being aroused by women even when he consciously doesn't want to be aroused by them, and because he does have these feelings he feels he is "dependent" so to speak. He is pretty young, so I think he is still trying to figure some things out.
That doesn't make any sense either....that you feel an attraction = dependence? What? Those are not connected concepts at all.

So you're saying if this guy sees an attractive girl at the gas station, all of a sudden he doesn't have money in his bank account to pay for his fuel, and needs her to pay his bills? What? That doesn't follow. That doesn't make any sense. WTF are you talking about?
 
That doesn't make any sense either....that you feel an attraction = dependence? What? Those are not connected concepts at all.

So you're saying if this guy sees an attractive girl at the gas station all of a sudden he doesn't have money in his bank account to pay for his fuel and needs her to pay his bills? What?

No, that's not what I mean! :lol: I'm saying that he feels maybe somewhat like he has to "depend" on women for sexual satisfaction, and therefore he feels that makes him more vulnerable to women taking advantage of him. But I'm not sure, LOL, I guess he would have to verify that, and I'm not saying that those are healthy feelings to have either.
 
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