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Women voting, bad idea?

Women voting, bad idea?

  • women voting is a terrible idea

    Votes: 13 14.3%

  • women voting is fine with me

    Votes: 78 85.7%
  • Total voters
    91
Jerry said:
Military service has to do with social cohesion and national identity, not political IQ.
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and you cant obtain those from any walk of life? I would argue that my friends have a much better understanding of social cohesion than I do, I left the army nearly 3 years ago and im still struggling to find my place in society.
 
NitroHangover said:
No, but I'd think they'd want to respond if they actually stand for what they say they do. I'd think they'd very passionately want to respond to a man making unapologetic, blatantly sexist statements and actually building and presenting a case for why one gender might justifiably be denied the right to vote.

Isn't that exactly what the twit in the OP did? Isn't that exactly the type of thing feminists are supposed to be offended by and respond strongly against?
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I am a feminist. I didn't click on this thread for a long time because the the question is just so boring to me. I mean, I remember Phyllis Schlafly and Marabel Morgan too.

This Lane woman reminds me of my former mother-in-law, the mother of five sons. Hates women. Distrusts them. Despises her children's life-partners and isn't too crazy about her granddaughters either.

Nothing you can do about pathetic knuckledraggers except pity them...and laugh. No need to defend that which requires no defense.
 
So:
  • Married = a committed human relationship over a government hand-out.
  • Military = shared social identity through common hardship and experience.
  • Gun-owner = will use reason over force, communicating a common ground and compromise over enacting a law.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
So you're not in favor of individuality and freedom, then.
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Quite the radical opposite, as evidenced by everything I've said.

I belong to the gun-owner group, which means I'm not going to reach out and force you to do this or that, I'm going to step back and allow you the freedom to choose whichever you want for yourself.

Yes, I have opinions, and yes I would like everyone to agree with me, but I'm not going to convince you against your will. I will try to convince you through reason, using my words, not a weapon.
 
Jerry - it wouldn't be that someone 'chooses not to belong' - it's that they 'chose to belong to another group'
 
Jerry said:
So:
  • Married = a committed human relationship over a government hand-out.
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  • Since when are those the only two options?

    You've yet to explain that. And as I said, single women these days are actually very independent and well-employed, myself included.
 
Jerry said:
Quite the radical opposite, as evidenced by everything I've said.

I belong to the gun-owner group, which means I'm not going to reach out and force you to do this or that, I'm going to step back and allow you the freedom to choose whichever you want for yourself.

Yes, I have opinions, and yes I would like everyone to agree with me, but I'm not going to convince you against your will. I will try to convince you through reason, using my words, not a weapon.
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So would I, as a never-gun owner so far in my life. And incidentally, not everyone in the military feels it fosters cohesion and shared experience. Some feel the opposite. Your view isn't shared even by other people of similar experience.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Jerry - it wouldn't be that someone 'chooses not to belong' - it's that they 'chose to belong to another group'
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And I'm not going to stop them. I'm going to let them belong to either group they proffer. I have an opinion and I would like them to agree, but in the end I'm not going to force them either way.

If they choose not to own a gun, that's fine, but that's an unhealthy state of mind which shouldn't have any ability to influence public policy. Refusing to own a gun is refusing to take personal responsibility, and such a person should not have any level of power over others.
 
Jerry said:
And I'm not going to stop them. I'm going to let them belong to either group they proffer. I have an opinion and I would like them to agree, but in the end I'm not going to force them either way.

If they choose not to own a gun, that's fine, but that's an unhealthy state of mind which shouldn't have any ability to influence public policy.
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I think that's a bit extreme. Owning a gun and voting don't have anything to do with one another as far as I'm concerned.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
So would I, as a never-gun owner so far in my life. And incidentally, not everyone in the military feels it fosters cohesion and shared experience. Some feel the opposite. Your view isn't shared even by other people of similar experience.
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So?

Opinions very...this is news to you?
 
ChrisL said:
I think that's a bit extreme. Owning a gun and voting don't have anything to do with one another as far as I'm concerned.
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Not directly, no, you're correct. But I made no claim that they were directly related, either.
 
Jerry said:
So?

Opinions very...this is news to you?
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No, but I'm just pointing out that when you're giving your opinion about the way people feel, it helps if people actually do feel that way.

For the most part, they don't. Veterans feeling isolated and unable to adapt to non-militarized society is an extremely common problem.
 
Jerry said:
You either own a gun, or you do not. What other option is there?
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I highlighted what you said about peoples' relationship status. You said they're either married or relying on the government, and nothing could be further from the truth.
 
Pinkie said:
Who're the 4 DP tools that voted against women's suffrage?
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Ironically, you don't know because you have me on ignore, but if you didn't have me on ignore, you would know, and subsequently put me on ignore.

Silly-games indeed :2wave:
 
115 posts and did anyone bother to get the real quote?

Lane: Our country might have been better off if it was still just men voting. There is nothing worse than a bunch of mean, hateful women. They are diabolical in how than can skewer a person. I do not see that in men. The whole time I worked, I'd much rather have a male boss than a female boss. Double-minded, you never can trust them.

#Because women have the right to vote, I am active, because I want to make sure there is some sanity for women in the political world. It is up to the Christian rednecks and patriots to stand up for our country. Everyone has the right to vote now that's 18 or over (who is) a legal citizen, and every person that's 18 and over and a legal citizen should be active in local politics so they can make a change locally, make a change on the state level and make a change in Washington, D.C.

#God bless America.

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2012/jun/27/christian-rednecks-and-patriots-tea-party-chat/
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What she was trying to say is that women vote their emotion and not their mind (her words, not mine) and that she votes and campaigns to counter act that. She goes on to say every person should vote and be informed. So there's 115 worthless posts for you.
 
Higgins86 said:
sorry I dont follow you will have to elaborate.
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Your post #101 was responding to my post #64 which was only trying to property state the purpose of my mentioning military service to someone who clearly didn't understand and was going off in a direction I never intended.

You have no reason to assume I argue that military service is the only way to attain national identity or comradery.

Mandatory service is a meta-solution to several problems, most of which have absolutely nothing to do with women or voting. Mandatory service makes TriCare available, thus helping the healthcare issue. Mandatory service ensures highschool/GED completion (because the military will literally march you to class and hold you there until you pass), which in turn makes the individual statistically more likely to have a productive career, and less likely to commit a major crime. Mandatory service means guaranteed training in a profession, and unlocks funding for higher education which doesn't have to be connected with the service.

There are other reasons as well, but again they have nothing to do with voting, women, or even national identity.

Just because I show support for one of many ways does not mean I denounce all other ways. You had to assume my list was exclusive, exhaustive and complete in order for that question to occur to you.

Please, add to the list if you like.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
She goes on to say every person should vote and be informed.
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She's pro felon voting rights?

Everyone has the right to vote now that's 18 or over (who is) a legal citizen, and every person that's 18 and over and a legal citizen should be active in local politics so they can make a change locally, make a change on the state level and make a change in Washington, D.C.

A Mississippi Tea Party Chat | Jackson Free Press | Jackson, MS
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There are illegal citizens?
 
Jerry said:
And they do.
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Apparently not, Jerry. :lol: But I don't expect you to come back with any actual reasoning.

Now, are you going to address your statement that women are either married or on welfare, despite all the evidence that women are working and making more than ever?
 
Jerry said:
You have no reason to assume I argue that military service is the only way to attain national identity or comradery.

Just because I show support for one of many ways does not mean I denounce all other ways. You had to assume my list was exclude, exhaustive and complete in order for that question to occur to you.

Please, add tot he list if you like.
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"One should also be a gun owner and have served a term of service in the military before being allowed to vote"

dont know how more exclusive you can get?
 
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