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Women voting, bad idea?

Women voting, bad idea?

  • women voting is a terrible idea

    Votes: 13 14.3%

  • women voting is fine with me

    Votes: 78 85.7%
  • Total voters
    91
Aunt Spiker said:
*gasp* - So, cheesy sci-fi flicks from the late 80's don't swing for you, eh? :D

I've actually never really watched the movie, either - it never interested me. But my husband says that line all the freaking time - anytime he sees a helicopter or Arnold Schwarzenegger. LOL
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Basically this invisible (via some kind of sci-fi tech) alien "predator" is hunting a commando team which is on a mission in a jungle. Near the end, when most of the team has been killed in various horrible ways, and basically only Arnold and the hot chick who they were supposed to escort out of the jungle are still alive, and Arnold tells the remaining people to "Get to the Choppa!".

Then after some action scenes he damages the alien enough that it actives a self-destruct device, which causes a large explosion. End of movie.


More or less.
 
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Ah - for a country who once opposed women's right's, suffrage and freedom we sure as hell looked ot the female figure as a powerful portrayer of our nation's values and beliefs.

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Contemplation of Justice - Supreme Court, DC
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Minerva - Thomas Jefferson Library, DC
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And of course we've graced our currency:

Goddess history instructing youth:
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Electricty - representing the world-dominant force.
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Pinkie said:
I'm sure there's a way to blame this on women voters as well.
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...well you notice there were no women fighting in those wars.....maybe a few in the hospitals or in an office somewhere, but non with a weapon in their hand bleeding and dying on the field.

Even-though there are more women than men, it seems only men were willing to put their life on the line.
 
Jerry said:
I guess I can't, so here's someone who can:

If you are a member of a non-gun owning society, then this means you choose force over reason. Having removed the people's ability to resist you, they have no choice but to comply with your policies.

Being part of a gun-owning society means you've chosen to deal with people through reason, not force. Far fewer legislative actions are even necessary when people can communicate among themselves and come to a compromise on their own. Generally, the government should only be turned to after we fail.
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For the most part I agree with the sentimate with one caviet. Switch gun with arms. Thats my thought.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
And of course we've graced our currency:

Goddess history instructing youth:
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Electricty - representing the world-dominant force.
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Now that baby doll is REAL money. :lol:
 
What a pig headed question, are women a lesser human then a man? Are they on par with the animals or should they be put below that standard.... One could make the argument there are men that are complete idiots and aren't informed enough to belong voting in an election. The point is though we all need to vote, choosing who gets to vote would make an election result bias and would lose any merit as a real choice for the better of the country. I honestly didn't think there were people today who still think like this. I have never come across a person with this belief and i hope that i never do.

That being said obviously i am for women voting...
 
Jerry said:
...well you notice there were no women fighting in those wars.....maybe a few in the hospitals or in an office somewhere, but non with a weapon in their hand bleeding and dying on the field.

Even-though there are more women than men, it seems only men were willing to put their life on the line.
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Let us point out a few facts, here - for one. Women weren't ALLOWED in the military during - well - all that ****. Even now we're not allowed on 'front lines' however - the 'front line' status is quite blurred these days. But oddly - women managed to DIE in wars, anyway! Wow - amazing how that happened. Some actually deployed and were stationed overseas as support of various types - died. Some were working here in factories in the stead of man-power - died. And when it came to wars on our own soil - died died. Some were awarded with honors, even. Death and injury - even when not a fighting member of the service.

But what was mentioned was:
"Depressions, recessions, WWI, Communism... And slavery too."

Well - women and men both suffered during the depression. However, when it came to the New Deal women weren't given job-placement assistance by the government. But many women managed employment and support of their families anyways - hoopskirt factories and everything else. Unequal wages abound. (this applies to recessions - women take a hit, too)

Slavery - females were slaves and females also pushed the fight against slavery.

Communism - of course some women have been communists and many were harshly affected by communist policies because said policies tend to treat women quite ****ty.

And so on . . . everything affects people - and women are people, too. Even when policies don't *permit* us to engage in said activity we still manage to find ourselves in it.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Let us point out a few facts, here - for one. Women weren't ALLOWED in the military during - well - all that ****. Even now we're not allowed on 'front lines' however - the 'front line' status is quite blurred these days. But oddly - women managed to DIE in wars, anyway!
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Yeah, and most of those deaths were from diseases, accidents, and natural causes, which women die of in peacetime, too. Hardly any were from hostile fire. The Iraq war is the only exception, but even there most women died from causes other than combat.

Tell you what, when women are forced to register for the Selective Service, I will support their right to vote.

 
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Graffias said:
Yeah, and most of those deaths were from diseases, accidents, and natural causes, which women die of in peacetime, too. Hardly any were from hostile fire. The Iraq war is the only exception, but even there most women died from causes other than combat.

Tell you what, when women are forced to register for the Selective Service, I will support their right to vote.

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Oh - so because of Congressional Inaction you don't think I have the right to vote? LOL - Don't be absurd.

I actually opposed forcing anyone to sign up for selective service ANYWAY - I think it's an archaic tradition that was once necessary but no longer is. If a situation that dire comes up that we need to 'draft' individuals then encouraging others to join the force should be pursued via alternative measures.

Drafting is a horrid idea overall - it creates reluctant, unwilling and unstable forces. It provides cannon fodder and nothing more - if you decimate your entire massive force to the point of needing to drag unfit or unwilling participants onto the field you've proven yourself incapable of actually leading a military properly.

So - really - you don't support women's right to vote . . . and you'll just find any excuse possible to defend your view. :shrug: I've seen it before - and one by one as those 'reasons' are scrubbed out of existence said individuals who oppose it just continue to be exposed for what they really are. I'm heading to the booth regardless of your minor issue - as do most women seeing as how we outvote men anyway.

Why - pray tell - don't more men give a flying poo about THEIR right to vote? If those numbers keep dwindling pretty soon it'll be associated with women-only just like seamstresses, nurses and secretaries.
 
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Yanno, the Suffrage Movement is fascinating stuff. Anyone wanna discuss it in depth over in the History Forum?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Is that so?

Single women -- especially younger ones -- are exploding in the professional work force. They're actually making more than men (in general, not at the same job). It seems that they don't need much help getting on. With what they make, they don't even qualify for most government assistance.
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Wow that's amazing. Then how come women still need politicians to do things especially for them?
 
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Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
 
American said:
Wow that's amazing. Then how come women still need politicians to do things especially for them?
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We have decided that people in poverty should be extended certain lifelines in order to allow them to survive, and to climb out of the hole they're in.

Women have different bodies from men, and therefore they have different medical needs.

Men don't have any trouble convincing people that meeting their needs is worthwhile. Women do. That is why women have their own advocacy. They need it, because people refuse to recognize their unique medical needs.
 
This tea party woman of course will exempt herself. It's an old story of hypocrisy.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
We have decided that people in poverty should be extended certain lifelines in order to allow them to survive, and to climb out of the hole they're in.

Women have different bodies from men, and therefore they have different medical needs.

Men don't have any trouble convincing people that meeting their needs is worthwhile. Women do. That is why women have their own advocacy. They need it, because people refuse to recognize their unique medical needs.
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Of course it's recognized that women have unique medical needs, otherwise there wouldn't be gynecologists! And you are wrong, men often have tremendous difficulty persuading others that they have unique health issues. For example, men with severe depression often don't realize they have it, and when they do tell others they have it, they are scoffed at and basically told to get over it.

Men still are much more likely to die at an earlier age than women from both natural and unnatural causes. Funds for women's health is more than twice that of men in some Western countries. The following graph compares the funds granted to men's and women's health in Australia between 2000 and 2011.

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Ryan25 said:
What a pig headed question, are women a lesser human then a man? Are they on par with the animals or should they be put below that standard.
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Let me think about that for a while and then I'll get back to you.
 
Frankly, I'm curious as to why men ought to be allowed to vote. We've voted in favor of some truly awful things. Maybe we should just let the womenfolk handle this stuff. I don't know how they could screw it up any worse than we have.
 
I'm curious to know exactly which century the 13 people who voted no currently live in, must be dark times.
 
Graffias said:
Of course it's recognized that women have unique medical needs, otherwise there wouldn't be gynecologists! And you are wrong, men often have tremendous difficulty persuading others that they have unique health issues. For example, men with severe depression often don't realize they have it, and when they do tell others they have it, they are scoffed at and basically told to get over it.

Men still are much more likely to die at an earlier age than women from both natural and unnatural causes. Funds for women's health is more than twice that of men in some Western countries. The following graph compares the funds granted to men's and women's health in Australia between 2000 and 2011.

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Yes and no. You're correct that men receive inferior health care when they could get health care if they chose, but the issue is that people seek to take away woman's health care options, or to deny the full scope of women's health concerns in medical and political decision-making. Women need advocacy in the health care and political arena because people wish to deny their right to access it at all.

The issue with men is totally different. It stems from totally different causes. Male health care is readily available, and DOCTORS do not scoff at men with depression. Actually, they take it very seriously, because men are likely to deny being depressed up to the point of suicidality.

The issue with men is social, not legal or medical. Men are socially scorned for admitting they need help, or for caring for their health. It isn't doctors doing this or politicians. It's family, friends, and the larger hive mind. Men go to the doctor less often than women do, and of course, denying oneself medical care will impact their overall health negatively.

Men don't need advocacy in the medical or political arena. They need advocacy in the SOCIAL arena, because SOCIETY is what is responsible for the subpar health care men get.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Yes and no. You're correct that men receive inferior health care when they could get health care if they chose, but the issue is that people seek to take away woman's health care options, or to deny the full scope of women's health concerns in medical and political decision-making. Women need advocacy in the health care and political arena because people wish to deny their right to access it at all.

The issue with men is totally different. It stems from totally different causes. Male health care is readily available, and DOCTORS do not scoff at men with depression. Actually, they take it very seriously, because men are likely to deny being depressed up to the point of suicidality.

The issue with men is social, not legal or medical. Men are socially scorned for admitting they need help, or for caring for their health. It isn't doctors doing this or politicians. It's family, friends, and the larger hive mind. Men go to the doctor less often than women do, and of course, denying oneself medical care will impact their overall health negatively.

Men don't need advocacy in the medical or political arena. They need advocacy in the SOCIAL arena, because SOCIETY is what is responsible for the subpar health care men get.
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If this is simply a case of men not seeking medical help because of societal reasons, then you would expect to see more money spent on resolving health issues that are a result of men not going to the doctor regularly. Instead we see exactly the opposite. And what exactly do you mean by "women need advocacy in the health care and political arena because people wish to deny their right to access it at all." You're not going to convince me there is a crisis in female health care because certain politicians don't want the government to pay for female contraceptives or want to ban abortion.
 
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