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Who won the VP Debate?

Who won?

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clownboy said:
I don't think Biden "blew it" per se. His team leader needed a clear win here, and there was no clear winner. In fact, Biden may have been judged the clear winner were it not for his behavior. And btw, this is typical behavior for him. Last election cycle I watched quite a lot of Biden's home visits (small fund raising venues hosted by supporters) and he was every bit as arrogant.
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Never in the history of the President and VP debates has there been one remotely close to this level of disrespect and buffoonery. Joe will reap what he sows, but he is way out there now, and will have to own this.
 
MaggieD said:
I liked this for your comment about listening on the radio. I get most of my news through radio (not talk shows), WBBM Chicago, since I find it more fair and less snarky. I actually didn't notice Romney smirking and don't remember discussions on the board about it, but if you say so, I'll take you at your word. Howsomever (Ha!). There's a difference between smirking and throwing your head back, laughing and rolling your eyes. No?
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I think you now the poster is nonsensical on this one Maggie .... ;) Romney was enormously respectful. There is no comparison.

If Biden's style were successful, then all of our debates would be such as this. That they are not, and that such has never been well-received in the past, only further isolates Biden. Biden won no hearts. Ryan did. For what a VP debate is worth.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
I think you now the poster is nonsensical on this one Maggie .... ;) Romney was enormously respectful. There is no comparison.

If Biden's style were successful, then all of our debates would be such as this. That they are not, and that such has never been well-received in the past, only further isolates Biden. Biden won no hearts. Ryan did. For what a VP debate is worth.
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Ryan won hearts? That guy was a moron of the highest level. Not that Biden was any better. Ryan could only say the same damned thing over and over and over again. The only thing these two did was bicker back and forth like jr. high idiots. The both of them.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Nah, Romney could have easily been classified as disrespectful.
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Nah, only a Liberal could say such a thing. ;)

ThePlayDrive said:
And sure, there are double standards that benefit Democrats over Republicans - see how the public reacts to each groups comments on race. However, in this case, the double standard benefits Republicans.
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Nah, you're just not used to seeing a level playing field. The Republicans are walking away with these debates and you people don't know how to deal with it.

ThePlayDrive said:
And as I've said before, I find it hilarious that people think Biden was disrespectful for laughing, but say nothing about disrespectful it was for Ryan to lie, deflect and otherwise insult the intelligence of Americans.
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I'm certain you find anything "hilarious" when your back is against the wall. Biden did too. I'm sure your entire party is just ROTFLIAO.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Never in the history of the President and VP debates has there been one remotely close to this level of disrespect and buffoonery. Joe will reap what he sows, but he is way out there now, and will have to own this.
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That's just not true. I've seen my fair share of them and VP candidates are often cartoonish. Guess you never caught Stockdale doing his thing.
 
Ikari said:
Ryan won hearts? That guy was a moron of the highest level. Not that Biden was any better. Ryan could only say the same damned thing over and over and over again. The only thing these two did was bicker back and forth like jr. high idiots. The both of them.
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You are welcome to your opinion, but it sure is not the prevailing one.
 
clownboy said:
That's just not true. I've seen my fair share of them and VP candidates are often cartoonish. Guess you never caught Stockdale doing his thing.
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Its not about "cartoon'ish". Its about arrogance and disrepect. Never like this. You cannot find a credible pundit on either side that will endorse your view. Menawhile, Biden is being criticized by at least a few high-placed liberals talking heads.

Pierce Morgan.
David Gregory.

To name two. Those are not GOP pundits.
 
If we look at the debate in a vacuum, devoid of any overall context, I'd say Biden won it by a very slim margin. But when you add in the context of how Biden has been portrayed as a doddering befuddled old moron by those on the right, Ryan ends up being the guy who got beat ever so slightly by a doddering befuddled old moron. Anybody who gets beat by a doddering befuddled moron must be really ****ing stupid. Even a slight loss looks horrible in that context, IMO.
 
I actually didn't watch the debates because I went to the Western Kentucky-Troy game, and I could only record one program at a time. A's and Tigers took precedence over the veep debates.

This thread makes me actually wanna look up a way to see the debate in its entirety. I went into yesterday thinking that the only way Biden could lose this debate is to piss his pants or repeatedly drop the F bomb or something. I'm seeing a lot of backup for Ryan here, and I'm hella curious now.
 
Tucker Case said:
If we look at the debate in a vacuum, devoid of any overall context, I'd say Biden won it by a very slim margin. But when you add in the context of how Biden has been portrayed as a doddering befuddled old moron by those on the right, Ryan ends up being the guy who got beat ever so slightly by a doddering befuddled old moron. Anybody who gets beat by a doddering befuddled moron must be really ****ing stupid. Even a slight loss looks horrible in that context, IMO.
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If you look at it from the context of Ryan being a young and incredibly unexperienced debator, Ryan held his ground well, thus victory to him.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I've never made any comments about who's being "normal" or "strange," so what are you talking about?
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You appear to be agreeing with a couple others in this thread saying Biden was not being rude, or that Romney was just as bad (and thus theres a double standard). Theres no consensus as to either.

Originally Posted by Paratrooper
This is simply not true. I will not deny that I am biased, I believe the vast majority of this forum is, on the other hand look at the difference in how people are responding to this debate vs the other one. Its not just Republicans saying Biden came across as a jerk.

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive
Right, it's anyone who has a double standard for Republicans and Democrats when it comes to aggressiveness. Democrats are notorious for looking weak and refraining from aggression in comparison to Republicans. As soon as a Democrat does get aggressive, he's all of a sudden "rude" and "disrespectful." Please.
 
Fiddytree said:
If you look at it from the context of Ryan being a young and incredibly unexperienced debator, Ryan held his ground well, thus victory to him.
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There's no excuse for losing to a doddering befuddled old moron in a debate. None.

In this instance, "young and inexperienced debater" is simply a nice way of saying "incompetent 42 year old debater".
 
Tucker Case said:
If we look at the debate in a vacuum, devoid of any overall context, I'd say Biden won it by a very slim margin. But when you add in the context of how Biden has been portrayed as a doddering befuddled old moron by those on the right, Ryan ends up being the guy who got beat ever so slightly by a doddering befuddled old moron. Anybody who gets beat by a doddering befuddled moron must be really ****ing stupid. Even a slight loss looks horrible in that context, IMO.
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If I were to check my bias at the door and decide based solely on what they said I would say its was pretty even. Biden certainly did better than I expected. There were several times when I thought to myself, that was a good answer (not that I agreed with the answer but it was a good answer for his platform).

Take out Biden's theatrics and Ryan's evasiveness on certain issues.

Look at the issues where they actually had exchanges and you see that they both made some good points. Both stretched the truth (to me this is not at all surprising, politicians+stretching the truth has become a common joke in our culture)
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Its not about "cartoon'ish". Its about arrogance and disrepect. Never like this. You cannot find a credible pundit on either side that will endorse your view. Menawhile, Biden is being criticized by at least a few high-placed liberals talking heads.

Pierce Morgan.
David Gregory.

To name two. Those are not GOP pundits.
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Cheney was criticized for the same thing by pundits on both sides of the fence, though he clearly won his debate. And really, using pundits as proof of anything besides pandering is absurd. Step away from the editorialists and make up your own mind.
 
I'm very surprised to see the numbers in this poll. I thought VP Biden's bluster and the pure audible volume of his voice would lean a few towards him.
 
jonny5 said:
You appear to be agreeing with a couple others in this thread saying Biden was not being rude, or that Romney was just as bad (and thus theres a double standard). Theres no consensus as to either.
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Biden was being aggressive. Whether his aggressiveness was rude is subjective, in my opinion. However, I don't think that that has anything to do with what's "normal" or "strange."

I don't think Biden was rude. I think Ryan was just unprepared for such aggressiveness and that people are just calling Biden rude because Ryan couldn't come back at him.
 
Paratrooper said:
If I were to check my bias at the door and decide based solely on what they said I would say its was pretty even. Biden certainly did better than I expected. There were several times when I thought to myself, that was a good answer (not that I agreed with the answer but it was a good answer for his platform).

Take out Biden's theatrics and Ryan's evasiveness on certain issues.

Look at the issues where they actually had exchanges and you see that they both made some good points. Both stretched the truth (to me this is not at all surprising, politicians+stretching the truth has become a common joke in our culture)
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Not far off of my assessment, when you simply look at the debate in and of itself. I'd give Biden a very slight edge based on how his theatrics coupled with Ryan's evasiveness actually made Ryan come across as inferior in some ways (It was actually a solid strategy by Biden, given the overall context).

On a pure content measure, I'd give them a draw, though.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I'm very surprised to see the numbers in this poll. I thought VP Biden's bluster and the pure audible volume of his voice would lean a few towards him.
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I think the actual numbers have been messed with which happens a lot. I say that because the registered voters are mostly for Biden and the numbers are just way too skewed in the opposite direction.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I'm very surprised to see the numbers in this poll. I thought VP Biden's bluster and the pure audible volume of his voice would lean a few towards him.
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Someone is gaming the poll numbers by logging off and voting for Ryan. If you look at the actual user votes, Biden is ahead.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I'm very surprised to see the numbers in this poll. I thought VP Biden's bluster and the pure audible volume of his voice would lean a few towards him.
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Well, he leading 49:34 on the vote. You've got to discount all those multiple anonymous votes, y'know.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I think the actual numbers have been messed with which happens a lot. I say that because the registered voters are mostly for Biden and the numbers are just way too skewed in the opposite direction.
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Tucker Case said:
Someone is gaming the poll numbers by logging off and voting for Ryan. If you look at the actual user votes, Biden is ahead.
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Andalublue said:
Well, he leading 49:34 on the vote. You've got to discount all those multiple anonymous votes, y'know.
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I kinda figured. I hate when people do that. 49-34 sounds more like what I was anticipating. I will say that Rep Ryan had the zinger of the night when he eluded to VP Biden's propensity for stupid comments. That was hilarious.
 
Will someone please find the "anonymous voter" and exterminate him?

I couldn't believe my eyes, either. It was like, "Wow, are people really starting to pull their heads out?".
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I think the actual numbers have been messed with which happens a lot. I say that because the registered voters are mostly for Biden and the numbers are just way too skewed in the opposite direction.
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Agreed. Polls are gamed on this forum. The management should do something about it!
 
DaveFagan said:
Agreed. Polls are gamed on this forum. The management should do something about it!
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I've seen the mods fix them before. It's usually just a matter of timing.
 
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