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Who won the VP Debate?

Who won?


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To me, it was kind of a draw. I thought Biden made a better case but his behavior was very distressing. I'm exactly the same age as Biden and I don't smirk and I don't interrupt, no matter my passion for a topic.

One side wants to "help the poor" with magical money. The other side wants to cut taxes since we have magical money.

In all my years as a magician, I was never able to increase my expenses or lower my income without serious consequences.

They both have SOME good ideas. Too bad we can't just pick the good ones without the bad coming along on the same order.

Depressing, really.

They both want to lower taxes on the middle class. Obama wants to increase taxes on the wealthy. The best way I can put this is you have 10 apples, 5 in each of 2 baskets. Obama wants to take two apples (taxes) out of one basket and put them into the other basket. You still have 10 apples. This doesn't address the deficit at all. The tax loopholes will still exist for the rich. Romney wants to lower taxes on everyone, while reducing the amount of loopholes the wealthy can take advantage of. In this fashion they will pay MORE in taxes than presently while the middle class pays less. This in addition to cutting superfluous spending will, hopefully, have a positive impact on the deficit. The Obama administration has not provided any logical plan that leads to the decrease in the deficit. These last 4 years are evidence of their "plan"'s failure to do what they claim it would.
 
I am impaired, by the way.

Next: Yes, the tickets are impacted by the debates in the media play, and it goes both ways. They both came ahead while statistically gaining little to no ground. First you mislead about the polls declaring Ryan the winner, then you do it again by dismissing the idea that Obama can claim just as much of a victory by having the talk of the ticket remain stronger, the momentum gaining.

You talked about me first, bub.

Hey. If you are "impaired", then my apologies. I meant it only as "politically impaired".

The discussion as to whether or not Biden can restore confidence in Obama is valid to ask. But only because we tolerate folks being naive in what they ask. Sure, the liberals will claim "yeah Obama" cause Biden did not do as poorly as Obama. What I am saying is that it does not matter with regard to elevating a ticket. It never has. VP's just don't matter in lifting a ticket, as Bentson outshone Quayle, and it did not matter. The only thing to be gained tonight was for one candidate to really suck, and the other then benefit. That essentially did not happen, although the polls will show that the younger Ryan faired better.

The primary change in the dynamic is that Ryan is now a known quantity. He carried his water just fine. He not only did not suck, but he resonated very well.

Biden will be remembered with the undecideds for one thing.

Petulence.
 
I just finished watching it. Points-wise, I think Ryan was winning through the first quarter, Biden won the middle two quarters, and Ryan took the last quarter. That makes it more or less a draw on points, in my estimation.

On style and likability, Ryan ran away with it through the entire debate. I dunno what Biden thought he was doing (trying to be the anti-Obama as per the first debate, I suppose), but he was embarrassingly childish and unprofessional. He did not walk away from this looking good, at all.

Tie on substance, Ryan on style.

Ryan wins.
 
Which one was complaining at the end ~"so, he gets 40 seconds and I only get 15?"

If I was the moderator, I woulda been like "yes, go".
 
Which one was complaining at the end ~"so, he gets 40 seconds and I only get 15?"

If I was the moderator, I woulda been like "yes, go".

Yeah, I can't believe he squabbled over that when he got a minute or two more talk time through the entire debate than Ryan did. Especially with all of the hijacking interruptions he made.
 
Biden clearly won. Not because he was on the attack, but because he answered the questions he was asked. Ryan seemed to keep taking a side step and saying what Obama hasn't done instead of saying what Romney would do. It was so bad that the moderator has to ask him to answer a question. Even then, Ryan still side stepped. They are going to re-air the debate in a few minutes on C-SPAN. Re-watch and take notes.


Ryan's no dummy, he's not going to answer a question knowing that he's going to get criticized for the answer.
 
Yeah, I can't believe he squabbled over that when he got a minute or two more talk time through the entire debate than Ryan did. Especially with all of the hijacking interruptions he made.

I listened on the radio, caught some of that "he gets 40 and I get 15" and wondered "well, who's crying?"
 
Ryan's no dummy, he's not going to answer a question knowing that he's going to get criticized for the answer.
Well if Ryan had honest and concrete answers, his answers could withstand such criticism. The reason he ran from answering was because you're right in the sense he's no dummy -- he knew his answers could not withstand criticism.
 
I will never understand how anyone can say Biden won........Ryan whipped the condescending Biden like a stepchild........Biden was totally unprofessional with his smiling and interrupting tactics.........
 
The thing is, Romney wasn't particularly aggressive in the first debate. Pres. Obama was just an empty chair.

Surely Biden was instructed to be aggressive but he overcompensated and it backfired - badly. He probably would have been the clear winner if not for the smirking, laughing, eye rolling, and grinning like a damn fool but the topic of conversation on pretty much every network right now is that smirking, laughing, eye rolling, and grinning like a damn fool.

What does it say when for the second debate in a row we're talking about the Democrats' bizarre debate behavior?
 
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Hey. If you are "impaired", then my apologies. I meant it only as "politically impaired".

The discussion as to whether or not Biden can restore confidence in Obama is valid to ask. But only because we tolerate folks being naive in what they ask. Sure, the liberals will claim "yeah Obama" cause Biden did not do as poorly as Obama. What I am saying is that it does not matter with regard to elevating a ticket. It never has. VP's just don't matter in lifting a ticket, as Bentson outshone Quayle, and it did not matter. The only thing to be gained tonight was for one candidate to really suck, and the other then benefit. That essentially did not happen, although the polls will show that the younger Ryan faired better.

The primary change in the dynamic is that Ryan is now a known quantity. He carried his water just fine. He not only did not suck, but he resonated very well.

Biden will be remembered with the undecideds for one thing.

Petulence.
You're right about VP debates having no impact on elections. I believe Biden won this debate; but I also believe that Obama will not benefit from it. There are still two more presidential debates and it's going to be up to Obama to win them.
 
Romney's strategy depends on loopholes. The major loopholes are the favored rates on capital gains and dividends. It's pretty hard for me to figure out what all these OTHER loopholes are that would make up for a tax decrease of this magnitude. Indeed, none were mentioned and yet somehow this loss of revenue is going to be just fine?

Obama's strategy is to spend his heart out and somehow find enough rvenue in a 6% tax increase on the small percentage of people that apparently have so many loopholes that these were going to make up for Romney's cuts.

The math on both is pretty flaky. They're both full of ****.

I think Dashing American summed it up. Unfortunately, Dashing isn't the candidate or I'd vote for him.

I'm going to vist my father and I'll be gone until Monday. I hope you can function here without my benevolence and wisdom.





They both want to lower taxes on the middle class. Obama wants to increase taxes on the wealthy. The best way I can put this is you have 10 apples, 5 in each of 2 baskets. Obama wants to take two apples (taxes) out of one basket and put them into the other basket. You still have 10 apples. This doesn't address the deficit at all. The tax loopholes will still exist for the rich. Romney wants to lower taxes on everyone, while reducing the amount of loopholes the wealthy can take advantage of. In this fashion they will pay MORE in taxes than presently while the middle class pays less. This in addition to cutting superfluous spending will, hopefully, have a positive impact on the deficit. The Obama administration has not provided any logical plan that leads to the decrease in the deficit. These last 4 years are evidence of their "plan"'s failure to do what they claim it would.

Quite frankly the answer is to raise taxes AND cut spending, massively.
 
Are (some) of you people serious? Romney comes out aggressive and everyone gives him the auto win. Biden comes out as aggressive and he's being a jerk and Ryan's "professional"? LOL, give me a break.

I haven't watched it yet, but the comments so far, not to mention the likes, are pretty much just right down the party lines. When I watch it, I bet I'll think Ryan won. Lol.
 
The thing is, Romney wasn't particularly aggressive in the first debate. Pres. Obama was just an empty chair.

Surely Biden was instructed to be aggressive but he overcompensated and it backfired - badly. He probably would have been the clear winner if not for the smirking, laughing, eye rolling, and grinning like a damn fool but the topic of conversation on pretty much every network right now is that smirking, laughing, eye rolling, and grinning like a damn fool. They just can't be doing too well if once again the topic of conversation is on the Democrats' bizarre debate behavior.
Looked to me like he was having fun kicking Ryan's ass. You may think Joe's smirking backfired but I don't see any evidence that Ryan won on the issues.
 
You're right about VP debates having no impact on elections. I believe Biden won this debate; but I also believe that Obama will not benefit from it. There are still two more presidential debates and it's going to be up to Obama to win them.

Well, CNN has Ryan winning by a little bit. Which means he sure did not lose. Ryan had the most to lose, as he was the most unlnown quantity in the debates. While I agree that a VP does not elevate a ticket, with a major gaff, they can pull it down.

Biden took the whole petulance thing way too far. That's what the focus groups are saying. Without all the smirking and interrupting, etc., he might have prevailed. Otherwise, as we move forward, Biden's petulence will be the story line. That's a loss.
 
I will never understand how anyone can say Biden won........Ryan whipped the condescending Biden like a stepchild........Biden was totally unprofessional with his smiling and interrupting tactics.........
Ryan could have not showed up and I suspect you'd still say he whipped Biden.
 
Romney's strategy depends on loopholes. The major loopholes are the favored rates on capital gains and dividends. It's pretty hard for me to figure out what all these OTHER loopholes are that would make up for a tax decrease of this magnitude. Indeed, none were mentioned and yet somehow this loss of revenue is going to be just fine?

Obama's strategy is to spend his heart out and somehow find enough rvenue in a 6% tax increase on the small percentage of people that apparently have so many loopholes that these were going to make up for Romney's cuts.

The math on both is pretty flaky. They're both full of ****.

I think Dashing American summed it up. Unfortunately, Dashing isn't the candidate or I'd vote for him.

I'm going to vist my father and I'll be gone until Monday. I hope you can function here without my benevolence and wisdom.

Thanks for your vote of confidence. DashingAmerican 2020
 
Looked to me like he was having fun kicking Ryan's ass. You may think Joe's smirking backfired but I don't see any evidence that Ryan won on the issues.

CNN, hardly a Conservative bastion.

Ryan: 48%

Biden: 44%

You can see that ..... right ?
 
Well, CNN has Ryan winning by a little bit. Which means he sure did not lose. Ryan had the most to lose, as he was the most unlnown quantity in the debates. While I agree that a VP does not elevate a ticket, with a major gaff, they can pull it down.

Biden took the whole petulance thing way too far. That's what the focus groups are saying. Without all the smirking and interrupting, etc., he might have prevailed. Otherwise, as we move forward, Biden's petulence will be the story line. That's a loss.
It's not a loss when Ryan lost on the issues and proved to be too scared to answer questions.
 
Ryan could have not showed up and I suspect you'd still say he whipped Biden.

In some cases...Biden IS rather good at making himself look like an idiot, through gaffes and other things.
 
It's not a loss when Ryan lost on the issues and proved to be too scared to answer questions.

Well, yeah it is a loss for Biden. A majprity does not see it as you do.

And I believe you know the objective value I put in most of your posts .......... :)
 
Didn't watch it, but I'm glad to hear that Biden fact-smacked Ryan's unsubstantiated bull****. I imagine it would be hard to not be condescending towards a slick con-man running on empty nonsense.

"Obama sucks! Vote for us instead! We'll spend more, tax less and cut middle class spending, but it will somehow balance the budget, improve the economy and give free unicorns to everyone!" is not credible and deserves any condescension Biden gave it.
 
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